wus: Nice try, but need better ... 15 m depth rating isn't even enough for snorkelling. I wouldn't mind an interchangeable lens system based around the CX sensor as long as I can take it down to 60 m and have at least 1 true wideangle lens, like the old Nikonos V with the 15 mm UW Nikkor. Although a bigger sensor camera with a (true!) phase detect AF and a couple lenses including a true macro would of course be better. And of course a strobe (or, better, 2) are mandatory for serious underwater photography.
guys, when you see a rating like 5 or 15m, it often is static pressure. A watch rated at 50m in theory should be fine for most divers, but they routinely flood because the dynamic pressure is higher.
Given the cost, and the limited rating, I'd be reluctant to push it.
erichK: Kalin,Your assessment of Woodford shows a more objective analysis of what he actually did and its effects than most.
Please do the same for the convicted three. Liars they certainly were. Crooks they were not. There is no proof, and at this point no credible allegation (this has been investigated pretty thoroughly) that they ever lined their own pockets.They kept hiding embarrassing losses that they hoped they could recuperate, but the hole just got bigger and bigger.
I do agree that no one involved looks good, and thought the worst of all of them, until I actualy researched K's career. Brilliant engineer and visionary, especially in imaging, and came in as a reformer. Could likely have got a top job anywhere. Continued, or at least approved the accounting fraud. Will likely be lucky to get an engineering job. Sad story indeed, especially for those of us who really enjoy Olympus cameras (and look forward to further miniaturization and streamlining of their end-o-scopes!)
absolutely they are crooks - you admit it yourself: "they kept hiding embarrassing losses"
Peet Venter: We may not like it, but this is the future of ALL software. rather get use to it. Adobe, let me have it please, Why kick against facts, why try and dry the oceans with a plastic bucket. Guys, in 12 months all of you have come around. This is not nice, not good and not right. but this is the way of our brave new world.
Subscriptions are a trend enabled by the emergence of the cloud. Note however the similarities to mainframe computing in the 60s and 70s, which gave way to the PC era where users were free to do what they wanted. Vendors would love to get as much lock in as they can and then be able to charge even more, but ultimately it's the ones paying that will collectively vote.
Just a Photographer: Luck is on our side that there is still a huge economical downturn.
Companies rather cut on expenditure then too raise them by adopting (Adobe's) ransomware model.
Most companies will stick with their current version until it can't be used anymore. So will the average small business owner (designers and photographers) and the advanced amateurs who adopted to use Photoshop as their editing tool.
Adobe needs 20 million users to make this a viable profitable business.They recently only had 500.000 cloud customers. So that is by far not enough.
Even if they get to 2 million in a years time that would not be enough for Adobe to make this model profitable. So Adobe is taking a great risc in times that are not so bright.
what's the basis for your 20 million figure? Last year their revenue was 4.4B, a company high. It would only take 7.3M at the 50/month rate to meet that, and at this point Adobe still gets revenue from other sales. (The Marketing Cloud and Document Services groups account for 1.5B of the total) So it would be 4 or 5 million to stay even.
In Q4 2012, they were adding 10k subscriptions a week. With no other choice now, that will increase. If it doesn't not increase fast enough, then we can probably expect to see a CS7 box next year. Bear in mind that on the old cadence, we'd only be seeing 6.5 right now. This is them trying...and our response will drive the next step.
Pythagoras: off topic, but... why do CF cards still exist?
the difference is significant to people shooting burst modes, and frankly it's hard to get a long history of SD cards with overstated class ratings.
Jeff Peterman: This doesn't make any sense. With hard drive mirroring, you have a backup in case one hard drive fails. But this is a single card with a single interface, so what's the chance that one copy of the file will be good if the other is bad? Pretty slim. The most likely failure will be at the interface.
flash media shows failures at the block level. The entire reason people are interested in two card slots in their cameras is from past experience where an image was lost by just a few bad bytes, which typically kills one horizonal row 8 pixels tall.
The problem, however, is that a card with one bad block is likely to have others, and due to wear leveling, the second copy could be right next to the first.
jedinstvo: Last summer I had some photos on a national story and I got 50 calls from picture editors. Not one wanted to pay. They all wanted "to share." I asked every one of them "are you working for free right now?" The problem is there are so many people shooting pictures and they now have the ability to transmit quickly and reliably. So the image that went around the country was from a local fishing boat captain. It wasn't as good as my photos, but it was free. Newspaper management all over the country has decided photographers are dead weight.
yes, the burger wars brought us pink slim.
why we often find is competition leads to lower prices at lower quality, because for enough people, cheap is more important than good. Now just about everyone has a point of diminishing returns where you no longer see value in paying incrementally more. But the point we're seeing now is closer to 'monkey with an iphone who will give away their image for free.'
Alternative Energy Photography: Maybe the Sun Times fired the photographers because they don't want to pay Adobe's monthly subscriptions for 28 people.
$50 X 28 = $1,400 monthly, plus a few more copies for editors and maybe Lightroom for all those too.
Freelancers are responsible for the cost of their own tools.
As a society, we are what we have wrought.
while there are minor snark points to credit here...1) you don't need a copy for every person. You could have a handful of PP folks at the office, let the field shooters keep shooting2) $50/month is a tiny expense compare to cubicle space, disability, unemployment, and of course salary and benefits. And even if they were buying the outright licenses every X years, that's still a chunk of the $50 being spent.
Johnsonj: 100 million kids with camera phones will always beat a staff of pros with the best gear.
if you don't mind your paper looking right at home next to the tabloids in the checker stand.
agentul: the camera seems nice, but one of the things that i like in my friends' DSLRs is the much longer battery life. A rating of 380 CIPA shots is comparable to what my GH2 can achieve (i think it's 320 or something). And it's a camera with EVF, so you have no way of taking pictures without using some amount of energy. A DSLR, with its OVF, is much more energy efficient. So 380 CIPA shots means that Canon used a really small battery. It's probably understandable given the size of the camera, but it kills one of the main advantages it could have had over mirrorless cameras.
CIPA has 800 for the 7d, but I've taken 1000 and still see 50% battery remaining. If you don't use the LCD very much, the actual result can be much higher. But if you don't have a choice but to use it, obviously it's a bit harder. What do people get in actual use on the GH3 (which costs $500 more than this model)?
It's of course very simple to swap the battery, unless you're dealing with a tripod mount or a housing for underwater use. But you want small...you have to give up CF and big batteries.
AlDCu: What I'm wondering is, what effect all this reduction in weight/size will have on things like the shutter and mirror. Reading the Hands On its clear that they modified the mirror, mirror box, etc. to make it smaller and lighter. I wonder what the maximum number of shutter actuation's will be for this cam. I'm betting its going to be lower than any other camera Canon sells and that is not exactly a good thing.
if it went down to 50k, it still wouldn't hurt anyone likely to consider the model. Few people approach 10k/year and most of them would tend towards the x0 or x lines from Canon. You also have the ability to get a new shutter installed. That said, smaller/lighter doesn't have to equate to less reliable - less mass to move is easier.
Vitruvius: What would the target buyer be for a camera like this? It isn't really good at anything compared to cameras of equal or lesser cost, it definetly is NOT good looking, and it isn't even small compared to much better performing and cheaper compact system cameras. So I wonder what the reason might be that would make anyone want to buy a camera like this.
you have to qualify your claim for "much better performing CSCs." Last I checked, the NEX lens selection is still a bad joke and their continuous autofocus is lousy unless you use the adapter for the A lenses. Consider me uninterested in 10 out of focus shots per second.
The target audience are people who want EF lens choices, or who want phase detection performance in as light/small a body as possible. Not everyone likes the size of the 7d, or even the Rebel.
Mike Sandman: Fun, and impressive. The resolution is amazing. Where can I get my own 256GB 16-core computer?
it's not too hard...but it will cost you a bit. A dell T5600 with two 8 core Xeons and 128 gigs will run you 8k USD today. Getting higher than 128/192g usually drives you into server land, however.
Goodie - what we all needed was another proprietary benchmark from DXO that will oversimplify a larger collection of proprietary tests they do and lead to really stupid discussions. bravo!
dbateman: At the cost of memory chips. I have been waiting or hoping for write once media. It would be great is San Disk had memory chips that were 16, 32 and 64 GB and could only be written to Once. Thus the original is always there. Since storage is so cheap, this could be a good way to get back at the taken image, rather than the "edited" version. Also would save on back ups.
then you construct the image and 'write it once' to this CF/SD card. Write Once doesn't solve the problem.
Opinionator: BBC left out their disgraceful edited shots of Ramalah which the BBC described as wanton destruction of civilian property and lives by the IAF when in fact the entire scene was staged. It wasn't enough for Hezbollah to hide behind their children they had to lie to the world and the BBC used it as fact.
it seems fair to point out the irony in this BBC article given noted events like that. I recall one of the UK media did some nice alteration of photos of the Gaza Flotilla incident as well.
Sam Carriere: The suicidal instincts of arrogant companies really know no bounds.The thing is, I am a photographer, and it does not take long at all for a photographer to realize that 95% of Photoshop trickery is completely irrelevant to serious work and that a lot of the program's features will actually make your work look bad.Photoshop or no Photoshop? Who cares? There are tons of alternatives starting at about 20 bucks. Adobe isn't getting one monthly penny from me, though.
Indeed, Sam. Adobe in particular seems very willing to try outrageous stuff and then back out when people vote with their wallets. I did the math around CS6 in a box versus the $30 (12 months) and 50/month prices of the cloud suite and the upgrade box won. It won't be cost worthwhile to switch for a least 2 years...we'll see what they're up to then. But I can't see this going over well. Some customers like incremental costs, others prefer up front capital expenses. Adobe shouldn't be removing the choice.
sproketholes: Why the Hell would anyone want to use Canon EF glass anyway?
lousy Sony options. Or you already have Canon lenses. In my case, quite a few. I've looked at the Nex as a possible next gen underwater camera system, but the thought that Sony will abandon yet another product line gives me pause. There are not many E mount lenses to pick from. Having an adapter option may help the call as I wait to see what the second canon M model is like.
Combatmedic870: Took them a while.....I wonder if it will be better then the legendary canon 70-200 F4 IS L
first one claiming 5 steps. Until verified, this is marketing.