SnapHappy32: Just saw the images on NR.
Having held of buying a FF twice during the last year - this is it.This is the one.
I shoot events a lot (indoor). I have the savings (if the 3.000 k.USD price is correct) in place. I just need to pair this with the new Noct if it indeed has the D4 sensor.
This is it. I've never been this excited about a camera release. I don't care for its faux-retro looks or size. But I've never been this ready to preorder anything.
I saw Fro's comparisons on twitter. The new Noct looks simply wonderful.
I'm amazed at what just became available. Excellent optical performance wide open at 1,4 and great ISO-performance up to and including 6.400 for less than a D4. I'm in Nirvana for my purposes.
Arh btw. I love Karma. Some D'bags were asking up to 4-5000 USD on ebay for the 1.2. Good luck with that!
Then again it might surge as puritans will look for the 1.2 aperture..
Just saw the images on NR.
John McCormack: I don't get the GM1 - for an amateur at least. Yes, it's small with a big sensor, but the kit lens is slow and short in reach. There's no hot shoe. To get a faster lens jumps the price up to or over $1,000, I think. Nice for a professional's second camera. I'll stick to the 1/1.7 cameras until or unless the price on the GM1 falls in the next six months.
I'm an amateur and I sincerely "get it" - if you already own M43 lenses. Paired with an Oly 45 mm & Panny 25 mm you have one hell of an event snapper, which allows you to stay a part of the event ;-) as opposed to the guy lugging gear.
I'm getting one in about 6 months time. The price should be lower by then.
Fuji. Who knew that the ackward girl in class would be the one to turn your head in the end.
Bravo - although some of the improvements were long overdue. Af point selection was a b....
shutterdragon: I paid $1,700 for a brand new Noct f1.2 about 20 years ago when it was still in production. Been very happy with the results and I'm glad I made the decision to buy this lens since nothing else comes close to what Noct is designed to excel at. $1,700 was as much as my monthly salary at the time, by the way. If this new 58mm can perform as well as Noct, it's a great buy actually.
Good to hear that you've kept it. I've been looking at it enviously for a long time. But as mentioned elsewhere people are charging handsome sums of money for on eBay.
How do you rate it on DX bodies?
I'm seriously considering it for concerts and events paired with a d7100.
samhain: Leica just released an official statment reguarding this lens 'invoking the spirit of Noctilux':
"Aw, isn't that cute".
Canon couldn't be reached for comment but was reported as simply 'smiling' after learning of the aperture. :D
Jokes aside- if I shot with Nikon, I'd probably get it. (assuming its as good as the description/price indicates).
I'm guessing they meant the 58 mm Nikon Noct, which sells for between 3-4 k on ebay. If this has the same superb coma free images Nikonians can save a handsome sum of money, for a minor aperture penalty.
I'm very interested. Think night time urban shots.
Good news. There seems to be something inherently tricky about the 50 mm focal length when it comes to coma. Zeiss' latest also seems to imply this. Anyone with some knowledge on this matter?
GabrielZ: 83% score - why only a silver award and not gold? The XF 14mm f2.8 got the same score and was awarded gold!
In a quantum state there are probabilities. 99% is larger than 1% probability of a cerhtain state.
Government? Nah - the business sector pays more :-)
Al Valentino: As an owner of this lens I can say the IQ is fantastic. I did a few quick tripod tests stopped down against my old Nikon 70-200 VR I and they tied. Shortly after sold the Nikon lens and began selling off the rest of my Nikon gear. I use Capture One 7 Express when I shoot RAW but jpegs are often good enough.
Tandua. I wouldn't discount the 70-300 so easily. Its AF performance seems to be miles ahead of this one. But you are right about the IQ. Just.... Ok.
I'll reserve judgement for when I've seen other samples. This seems off. Fuji are great at making lenses. This is just plain weird...
Dp needs another scale - or start beeing true to the logic of numbers.
100% should mean the perfect camera. 0% should mean no camera. Everything inbetween adheres to the logic of numbers everywhere else in the real world. Higher is more or better. There is no arguing that I'd prefer a raise of 20% more than 3%. Reverse for costs.
Drop the percentages - just stick to the gold, silver, bronze etc.
Cant reply to the post I wanted...
Ddd - rrr. Your and his story gave me a big smile on an otherwise hectic and rainy day.
I see what he saw. I understand. He is communicating with me. Thats very comforting - the kid has a way out of a very solitary existance. The tragedy is that he might never know it himself. Just hope (and believe) that he's having a blast doing it.
mediasorcerer: Olympus will be fine, the next omd will put them in a better position soon enough.Part of me hopes they will create a csc with ff sensor at some stage of the game, or fixed zoom ff rangefinder style, it's the next logical step, and an area they are not covering, that badly needs some competition.hey, im allowed to dream.
Dottore - if the rumours of a hybrid mount are true then the next om-d will outsell the current one.. Hardly slightly updated..
E-5 owners will buy 3-4 each :-)
FF?? C'mon - care to guess what happens with lens sizes?
Then again .. 2012 is a very hard year to follow..Seems that all major manufacturers released very attractive and innovative cameras...
Cant speak for everyone else, but 2012 was the year of the om-d for me. Many lenses and accessories later, I'm both satisfied.. And cash strapped..I dont need to splurge out again this year... Point is - I guess many of us are still just enjoying our 2012 models.. ?
As for financial analysts... They may simply not understand the customers buying criterias or the market in terms of available product mix. We had a ton of models last year that surpassed previous products by a substantial margin.
Take the Nikonian with full frame lust but being short of the cash to buy a DX(x). He might have wished for his D700 to have a better MP count. He might have wished for 20-24. He got 36. Thats good enough for many years to come.
GaryJP: Simple. If YOU can't see the difference between a little pocket camera and a DSLR, you don't need a DSLR. Personally, I need a DSLR. (And yes, I do have plenty of "pocket" cameras).
You sound bitter Jimmy.
The Merrills have first class IQ - concurred. But everything else (noise performance, handling and cam performance) is "pathetic".
Weren't you lauding the superior quality of MILC a posts below.
To rephrase you: You sound bitter. Seriously bitter.
When people stop smoking, find God or lose a great deal of weigth a certain Messiah-like spirit comes over them..
They feel compelled to tell everyone about the error of their ways, and how they know the only truth.. That they are right.
Freakin' tirin' is what it is.
Let people enjoy what they use. Can't help but feel that many of you posters feel the need to justify your purchases to everyone else. That's fine. But stop bashing others choices.
I have a Fuji X, a Nikon Dslr and a Oly M43.There is no chance in hell of the latter eclipsing the Nikon in any way shape or form. It is however refreshingly fatigue-free to carry around all day.
Stop kiddin' yourselves.
Beautiful shot, and a lot of useful pointers. Much appreciated! I'll have to join you one day Mr. Marom.
Timmbits: DPR obviously is here to help it's owners sell these cameras. And the GH3 is the highest margin Panasonic they sell. Hence the Gold award.
(yes, amazon sells direct too, not just through it's sellers. I bought a printer from them)
To me, a "camera" is still a "camera", not something nuanced into a video camera. We're here to read about cameras, not video cameras. Cameras that can do video too, yes. But they're still cameras. A gold award camera this is not.
You're a resilient one, aren't you?
The point they were making is quite simple really. Cameras were once (post-critacious) intended for photography. Technological advances allowed for extended functionality. Including the ability to shoot continous, lower resolution images for as long as retarded legislaterswould allow it (30 minutes or so in my neck of the woods - YMMW). Enter video.
No worries so far. The thing is, all companies exist to create profit. Gross margins. If a substanial sum of the cost is tied up in man hours, I'd prefer for the engineers to spend their time on either improving the PHOTO quality (for which the product was intended) or giving me a cheaper product. Not working on video codecs, redesign of the body for improved heat dissipation and the likes. Give me a better tool for photography or a cheaper product. For video I'll use a dedicated video camera.
Nukunukoo: To those who plan to get the GH3 solely for the video, here's one other model:
Blackmagic Design Pocket Cinema
Jorginho - just out of curiosity..
What kind of a weather photographer relies on the weather sealing of a camera + lens combo?
Every single one I've seen had a cover over the camera.. To keep the front of the lens dry - ie rain drop free images..
Wish i could partake in that slapping BB. Sarcasm can be very elegant. You're just trolling.
Both Tim & Larry make an excellent point. Stick to your guns.
G Sciorio: The GH3 is simply the best mirrorless camera on the market for the best system on the market - Micro 4/3.
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OP: Familiar with the term "Circular reference"?
fdfgdfgdgf: the 4/3 format will die as the sony NEX/eos-m has similar wight with much better IQ.
Not sure the market positioning of the gh3 as cameras such as Nikon d5200 has the same wight and better performance characteristics
canon ceo said here that APSC is the way to go and the tiny combo of eos-m +lower wight of the prime are a better deal then any 4/3 toy. but 4/3 has important role to trigger more development of an apsc milc
He didn't elaborate (slow zooms) - so I'll take it as your personal oppinion.
What happens with (m)4/3 zooms when you need that shallow DOF? They get big. A 35-100 mm 2.8 zoom lens is not comparable to anything in FF land. Sorry.
You have a lens that will give you the same exposure as a 2.8 lens mounted on an FF camera. If you however need the same DOF, you'll need to bump that ISO or the shutter.
I use a 70-200 mm 2.8 lens very often. I'd like nothing better than to ditch my heavy gear. But I don't get anywhere near the same results with the 35-100 mm. That's why it's replaced by a 75mm for my moderate tele needs. Now that's a cracker of a lens. If you feel the need to hype M43 lenses - then hype that one. I'll gladly cheer along with you.
These panny 2.8's? Glorified kit lenses. I've had them both. Kept the 12-35 for everyday use. The 35-100mm is very nice. Horribly overpriced however.