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Timmbits: DPR obviously is here to help it's owners sell these cameras.
And the GH3 is the highest margin Panasonic they sell.
Hence the Gold award.
(yes, amazon sells direct too, not just through it's sellers. I bought a printer from them)
To me, a "camera" is still a "camera", not something nuanced into a video camera. We're here to read about cameras, not video cameras. Cameras that can do video too, yes. But they're still cameras. A gold award camera this is not.
You're a resilient one, aren't you?
The point they were making is quite simple really. Cameras were once (post-critacious) intended for photography. Technological advances allowed for extended functionality. Including the ability to shoot continous, lower resolution images for as long as retarded legislaterswould allow it (30 minutes or so in my neck of the woods - YMMW). Enter video.
No worries so far. The thing is, all companies exist to create profit. Gross margins. If a substanial sum of the cost is tied up in man hours, I'd prefer for the engineers to spend their time on either improving the PHOTO quality (for which the product was intended) or giving me a cheaper product. Not working on video codecs, redesign of the body for improved heat dissipation and the likes. Give me a better tool for photography or a cheaper product. For video I'll use a dedicated video camera.
Nukunukoo: To those who plan to get the GH3 solely for the video, here's one other model:
Blackmagic Design Pocket Cinema
Jorginho - just out of curiosity..
What kind of a weather photographer relies on the weather sealing of a camera + lens combo?
Every single one I've seen had a cover over the camera.. To keep the front of the lens dry - ie rain drop free images..
Timmbits: DPR obviously is here to help it's owners sell these cameras.
And the GH3 is the highest margin Panasonic they sell.
Hence the Gold award.
(yes, amazon sells direct too, not just through it's sellers. I bought a printer from them)
To me, a "camera" is still a "camera", not something nuanced into a video camera. We're here to read about cameras, not video cameras. Cameras that can do video too, yes. But they're still cameras. A gold award camera this is not.
Wish i could partake in that slapping BB.
Sarcasm can be very elegant. You're just trolling.
Both Tim & Larry make an excellent point. Stick to your guns.
G Sciorio: The GH3 is simply the best mirrorless camera on the market for the best system on the market - Micro 4/3.
Trolls in 3...2....1
OP: Familiar with the term "Circular reference"?
fdfgdfgdgf: the 4/3 format will die as the sony NEX/eos-m has similar wight with much better IQ.
Not sure the market positioning of the gh3 as cameras such as Nikon d5200 has the same wight and better performance characteristics
canon ceo said here that APSC is the way to go and the tiny combo of eos-m +lower wight of the prime are a better deal then any 4/3 toy. but 4/3 has important role to trigger more development of an apsc milc
don_van_vliet
He didn't elaborate (slow zooms) - so I'll take it as your personal oppinion.
What happens with (m)4/3 zooms when you need that shallow DOF? They get big. A 35-100 mm 2.8 zoom lens is not comparable to anything in FF land. Sorry.
You have a lens that will give you the same exposure as a 2.8 lens mounted on an FF camera. If you however need the same DOF, you'll need to bump that ISO or the shutter.
I use a 70-200 mm 2.8 lens very often. I'd like nothing better than to ditch my heavy gear. But I don't get anywhere near the same results with the 35-100 mm. That's why it's replaced by a 75mm for my moderate tele needs. Now that's a cracker of a lens. If you feel the need to hype M43 lenses - then hype that one. I'll gladly cheer along with you.
These panny 2.8's? Glorified kit lenses. I've had them both. Kept the 12-35 for everyday use. The 35-100mm is very nice. Horribly overpriced however.
Leandro Dumini: Panasonic Lumix DMC-GH3 review???
When Pentax K5II one is yet to come???
Here we go again...
Working people might recognize the below situation.
A lot of tasks, and so little time to complete them.
What to do? Prioritize (insert a "where-is-the-spoon?" kind of AHA)!
Based on what? Sales figures?.
Let's have a look see (the irony beeing that figures were found on a Pentax forum):
2012 dSLR sales:
Canon 52%
Nikon 34%
Sony 6%
Pentax 5%
Makes sense doesn't it?
Spectro: I am thinking about a camcorder and Panasonic gh3 might be my pick.
Morbidly unfunny Gionni.
fdfgdfgdgf: the 4/3 format will die as the sony NEX/eos-m has similar wight with much better IQ.
Not sure the market positioning of the gh3 as cameras such as Nikon d5200 has the same wight and better performance characteristics
canon ceo said here that APSC is the way to go and the tiny combo of eos-m +lower wight of the prime are a better deal then any 4/3 toy. but 4/3 has important role to trigger more development of an apsc milc
Ntsan.
You mean the countless iterations of the 5X-200 mm zooms?
Correct, there are no 47-133 mm lenses out there. Why would you need them if the above cover more, and are "tried and tested optical formulas"? Have a look-see at Fuji's up-and-coming telephoto zoom lens.
And please. There is ONE such lens for M43's.
Charles Babbage: It still puzzles me that none seems to "remember" the K5-IIs! Not even the dpreview people. Do I smell something bad or is it my imagination?
Endorsing Sony and Nikon?
Canon cameras with gold rating? Check
M43's with gold rating? Check
We get it. Pentax makes awesome cameras. But they do not rake up the sales figures that Canon, Nikon, Oly, Panny and Sony do. Why not focus on the majority?
The K5IIs is most probably the best APSC DSLR out there. It has some minor improvements over the original. That was an amazing camera - so it the new one. Do your own thinking.
I have a D7000. Looked at the preview. New sensor? No AA-filter? Enough for me to consider this very seriously.
I'll wait for more photos and make my decision. I won't (can't wait) for the final review.
I just can't see how a free website should be able to cover all bases - even if they miss some real gems out there.
immikey: New to this awesome site, and also a soon to be Nikon D5200 owner.. hopefully with enough mindset for it. However, to get myself started... I am unsure if I should just buy the D5200 body or with the lens? Should I buy the lens separately, or choose one that is offered with the camera? And if so, where should I get a trusted lens from? I thought about looking on Ebay, because they seem to have some "good" deals with new camera kits. Amateur here!
Dkirk7000
Good point. Tamron does make a newer 18-270 mm with stabilization. Sigma makes a 18-250 as well.
A superzoom lens is great if you are not obsessed with IQ.
mckracken88: yeah k30 owner here...
also have to say that as far as aps-c goes, the k30 is king in the price/value dep.
lowest iso noise + inbody anti shake. (i shot a lot in museums)
For Nikon and Canon you have to buy lenses with built in anti shake, which are blurry as hell.
Expensive?
The least expensive Nikon DX zooms all have VR.
Noone trumphs pentaxians when it comes to stating (wrong) absolutes.
GP2012: Hopefully they'll improve the viewfinder as well, and than it would be a perfect small DSLR.
They'll never do that.
A pentaprism is heavier and more expensive.
This is a (very capable) entry level camera.
rfsIII: What is all this sudden focus on high-speed sync? Why not just buy a couple of 2-stop scrims or silks and kill the sun that way?
Amen to that Good sir.
Thank you - now if only the forums/comment sections used sticky posts...
Nd-filters. ND-freakin' filters. 2 stops. 4 stop. 8 stops. Variable ND-filters.
But no. Still people discount new offerings since they don't offer 1/8000s flash sync.
Oi DPR's lads.
You really need to give that Bailey bottle a wipe ..
I was comparing the D7000 (RAW 200) vs the D5200, the Pentax K5IIS and a Rebel.
Focus just below the "neck" of the bottle.. ;-)
Dust city - but not on the Nikon. I'm actually quite impressed with the D5200.
rallyfan: Was anybody here at Bernabeu? The D4 was deployed by the usual suspects, but I did not spot any D600s. 6D was there, easy to see at the tunnel. 1D numbers still strong.
I'll help you spot a D600 if you get me into Old Trafford ;-)
ThomasSwitzerland: One should not underestimate the financial powers of Canon and Nikon. The tech wave is favoring Nikon for now. Canon will come back again after having realized that they have lost the vision for the time being.
Nevertheless, the present euphoria with affordable Full Frame to the public means: get out of it. It’s like when a taxi driver recommends stock investments. The future is not FF in its present state.
The coming years are in the mobile and initiatives pushing FF to medium format strengths like the d800 jumped on. Interesting times ahead.
Software and the sensors define the game, not the casings around. Mirror less like Panasonic and the new entry like the d800e are setting the upcoming wave.
Thomas.
In the mean time - what do you use for taking photographs?
Waiting for Nirvana does not preclude you from buying what's good value right now, does it?
plasnu: I understand that the biggest selling point of this product is the weight, otherwise D600 is far better.
Tkbslc .. King of the crisp, short comments. You crack me up.
D1N0: I can see it is time Pentax stepped into full frame and show them how it is done.
Eh?
Sarcasm, hopefully.
tmurph: This is a fine camera but so is the Nikon D600 and also the Sony SLT-A99 and so on.
This "my camera is better than your camera" school of thought is getting a bit boring, and yes I'm reading between the lines here and again yes, everyone is entitled to an oppinion but comments like..."makes the A-99 look like a P&S" just beggars belief. Go to a good photography gallery and
before you enter you're asked to try and identify the cameras used and you will be there all day because there's no way for anyone to tell what equipment the photographer used.
Todays cameras are amazing pieces of technology, end of.
@Hugo
Appreciate the (not-too-didactic) answer. However...
I do get your point. Did you get mine?
Slight differences in ergonomics, sensor output and the likes, might make the upgrade worthwhile. The photographs do not nescessarily become better. But the experience might be much more pleasing and straight forward. That's worth the money to some. I shoot indoors at night - concerts, dinners, what have you. A BETTER low-light performance is going to make my life easier - especially with improved focussing.
Trez simple, eh?
My problem is this: This is a gear site, no?
People come to gear sites to read gear reviews.
Simple. What you guys call football is not to my liking. I don't go to NFL.cøm.
Never been to "male-manicures.cøm" either.
Why - voluntarily - read posts / comments from the dumb masses? If they infuriate and annoy the lot of you?
My guess is it offers some form of satisfaction on your part.
tmurph: This is a fine camera but so is the Nikon D600 and also the Sony SLT-A99 and so on.
This "my camera is better than your camera" school of thought is getting a bit boring, and yes I'm reading between the lines here and again yes, everyone is entitled to an oppinion but comments like..."makes the A-99 look like a P&S" just beggars belief. Go to a good photography gallery and
before you enter you're asked to try and identify the cameras used and you will be there all day because there's no way for anyone to tell what equipment the photographer used.
Todays cameras are amazing pieces of technology, end of.
What are you guys doing on a gear site?
If all digital cameras are alike - why are you wasting your time reading gear reviews?
You either accept the premises of the very site you're visiting - or you stop, end of.
There are slight differences between cameras (although somewhat exaggerated - agreed) - and users'll tend to emphasize some over others. Based on preferences.