SIGMA should offer new camera that accept any lens from major manufacturer with mount adapter.
xmeda: Pentax "KAF" really? well, AF would be nice ;)
but it seems to be only "K"
Nice to get this lens on Pentax mount, as there is no fixed lens on this focal length. If Pentax can offer new Pancake lens with same or wider angle view, It will be easy for us to choose.
Richard Murdey: Make no mistake, the GM1 is small. For hilarity, go to camerasize.com and compare against a Nikon D4. O_o
More to the point though, its functionally the same size as a Pentax Q7 .. essentially erasing the desirability of the latter. Once the price settles down to the $400 range, as it surely will, the relevancy of the Nikon V2 and Sony RX100ii also fall into question.
@ Richards, It is true the body is smaller, but when you attached its lens on it become bigger (volumetric).Pls, refer this size comparison, http://www.photographyblog.com/news/panasonic_gm1_v_sony_rx100/
BTW,This camera is worth to be included in the DPReview gear of the year.
1. I thought with Nikon 1 still relevant, especially who built their Nikon DSLR system. They can use Nikon tele-lenses for creating extra long focal length, but for most first buyer will not interesting.2. This camera is not really pocketable compared with Sony RX100II. They need more compact n dedicated lenses for this Lumix GM series.
This camera looks very good. It will be very special if the lenses also small. The kit lens is small but still looks not proportional against the body. Give me some pancake lenses to represent classic focal lens as 24, 28, 35, 50, 105. It will be a killer for traveller.
Just comparing this camera against Pentax MX-1. Both camera almost have identical specification, especially her lens. Its body is more compact which is pocket-able than its sibling. I thought this camera will perform very good on normal lighting.
sixtiesphotographer: Obviously, in response to Nikon, this is the Canon Fd -- a full frame digital equivalent of their "Canon New F-1" from 1981.
It will have traditional dials and, in addition to EOS lenses, it will allow mounting of the FD lenses abandoned back in 1987.
Looks never happen. Canon has abandoned its FD full system and many of serious users just move to other system with hate.
Oh, no Pentax mount.....Amen.
Lab D: Maybe Richard can answer this. It is true that much of the size reduction is due to the smaller shutter mechanism and that if/when Panasonic goes with only an electric shutter weight and possibly size might be reduced even more?
To match beautifully with this Lumix GM1. Panasonic should updated their pancake lenses, as their lenses are aim for Lumix G series which is bigger in size. I would like to have updated existing fixed lens with focal lens (20,14 or smaller) to keep it small.
Need SR not just gimmick......
OneGuy: If somebody (anybody) could post a shot of this cam with 1.7/20mm lens then THAT would be relevant to this hands-on preview. Include the Equiv. Aperture graph point for this lens, too.
Note for dpr: mix-and-match is at the heart of ILCs. 1.7/20 is a popular lens, etc.
Panasonic needs to update their lens, especially its size and appearance to match with this new camera.
joe6pack: Looks like this is the M43's answer to SELP1650
Only the height of GM1 Lumix win over Sony RX-100, but you need 2 pockets each for the body and lens. The small size of this camera is actually not appropriate, such as visual manipulation. The part of the lens mount on camera side deliberately fused with color, texture and shape of the lens. Pls, check when the lens is detached from the body.
udris: GM1 + Oly 45/1.8 = great little portrait camera ............. hopefully this translates into "real world" use
It's just an optical illusion, an illusion to trick our minds that want a camera with a large sensor in a small camera body. Try to see the picture w/o attached lens , you will realize that the lens mount is apparently seem as part of the lens. Then, you will feel as a pocketable camera by separating it in 2 pocket, one for the body and the other for the lens.
arieswar: i dont understand people complaining it's ugly. It's actually decent camera and beside, u use it as a camera - not as fashion!
I prefer to say as "gadget". Just expressing a new technology in digital era which was a dream during analogue time. Not sure it will fit functionally on your hand as the lens size still the same as big as usual.
This lens is excellent for sure! It is "small" but not pancake style. It will be good additional lens for building a system for Lumix G series, but not for Lumix DMC-GM1. She needs dedicated smaller lens to make it more proportional against its tiny & sexy body. Still salute for Panasonic to keep update their lenses lines.
This tiny camera is very cute & interesting, but till now no successful effort to miniaturize any zoom or tele lens. Refer to Sony Nex series. Camera becomes in-balance when lens with long focal lens attached on it. So,the existent of hand grip to counter the weight is very important not just like as shown on this model, it fit only pancake lens which is very limited on numbers.
draschan: interesting to me that this does not stir more enthusiasm. to me m43 is all about size. with the 20mm and the 14mm pancakes it is a perfect match. hope it will be available soon without the kit lens. having very large hands I never had troubles with small cameras. large hands doesn't mean clumsy. I was thinking about getting a ricohGR or rx100II but I will take a look at the GM1 first.
I use Nikon J1 since bought it last year. It is small enough but only with Nikon 1 10 2.8 lens become handy & can be put into a shirt pocket. The problem is the lens size, without supported of pancake type of lenses, this tiny camera can not deliver its potentials.
It's very unfortunate, not to upgrade the outdated screw drive focus for this lens , like seen on the Pentax DA 18-135.
ftpie: Nikon P330 will lose some customers to Ricoh since you can now purchase the GR Digital IV for just about the same price as a P330. Doesn't matter how good the P330 may be, it will not come close to the GRDIV.
P330 is only better for its Zoom capability and its HD Video. In every other respect the GRDIV is simply a superior product.
Get one while you can.
It is different camera for different purpose. If the fund available, I will skip the Ricoh GRD IV for new Ricoh GR w APS-C sensor. Ricoh should come out replacement for Ricoh GX-200 with some "gimmicK" feature as GPS, Wifi or direct transfer to popular web media.
SunnyFlorida: Simply Awesome! an OMD-5 with this lens will be a sweet combo
Unfortunately, this lens only available with MF. Hard to get advantage for its fast aperture.