ThatCamFan: Seeing the noise performance, all I can say is OUCH, Canon is still so far behind.
Really? Let's wait for the studio comparison
aarif: but why sigma doesn't make lenses for samsung? would have made life easier
If Samsung sells more cameras, I'm sure Sigma will offer some lenses in the Samsung mount. As it is, Samsung hardly has any market share to speak of.
Of course, that may change with time, especially after the release of a great camera like the NX1. Let's see how the market reacts.
Clint Dunn: 'As far as dynamic range is concerned, we're told that the new 5DS and 5DS R should give the same performance as the current EOS 5D Mark III. If true, this means that the new cameras won't be able to offer the same industry-leading dynamic range of Sony's current APS-C and full-frame sensors...'
So in other words wait a few months longer and buy the new high MP Sony A9/A7RII instead which will have similar MP count and better dynamic range.
Exact same thoughts came to my mind...
Sony's problem lies in lens selection.
I'll say, go for Nikon D810...
Allen Yang: Metering & focus accuracy is not as good as the old 7D. Interesting!
OK. Got it. More shocking than focusing and accuracy category is the fact that 7D2 scores MUCH POORER than the original 7D in the movie / video department. Is that even possible?
Looks like DPReview team needs to examine if their scoring system is consistent over the years. Or perhaps they really need to revise their review system.
Have things gone downhill after the departure of Phil Askey?
qwertyasdf: After reading this review, I want to buy the Nikon D7000.
Not really. Especially after you read the multiple complaints about D7000 AF accuracy.
Errrr... where is that written in the review? Or did you just make that up?
Excellent review. I am really happy to see the detailed dynamic range testing. Now, if that was done several years ago when the D7000 first showed up, it would have been even better. :D
It's really wonderful that Panasonic shows the world how compact cameras ought to be designed and built.
This is definitely the new yardstick for compact cameras.
Too bad the camera did not arrive in time when I needed a compact. Also, a bit more pricey than my US$320 EOS-M. Anyway, if any of my friends or family wants a compact camera, the LX100 will be my recommendation.
US$750 for a slow zoom lens... hmmm...
Looks good. Shadow pushing at both high and low ISO seems to work well.
If only the camera is not so heavy... Sigh
cpkuntz: Typical Canon dull colors, plastic skin, mushy details, and blown highlights. In 2012 these sensors were badly beaten. Now they are embarrassing.
Well said Zeisschen. The other comments from cpkuntz sound like what a typical troll will say.
photo nuts: Compare and contrast Canon's response to difficult questions against how Sony and Nikon's reps handle them.
Sad day for Canon. Sigh
1) DPReview: We had an issue with the A7R with shutter vibration reducing resolution in certain situations. How do you incorporate feedback like this from your users?
Sony: We take the feedback and make note of it, and we use it to improve the next generation of products.
2) DPReview: The D600 had a well-publicized problem with oil on its sensor, which affected a lot of your customers. A lot of people were very unhappy with Nikon’s response. If something like this comes up again in the future, would you handle things differently?
Nikon: Internally, we took that issue very seriously... But the D600 issue was very important, and very sensitive and we are trying our best to avoid that kind of problem again.
@Timbukto: The sensor question is not about the 7D2. The Canon 5D Mk III, 70D are old products that get compared to the Nikon D800, D7000. So, the question about Canon sensors offering poor low ISO DR is a valid one.
Great to see DPReview using the Nikon D4S to photograph Canon's new products above.
Paul B Jones: Who are you people and why are you so angry at Canon? And why is the anger so personal? It's like Canon killed your father and you have been itching for vengeance since age seven. Except Canon didn't kill your father, they simply made a decision not to put WIFI in the 7DMkII.
There are lots of camera companies to choose from; if you don't like what Canon is offering try another brand - and try to be happy with it. Being serial grumps must be exhausting.
Because this is the world wide web and people can hide behind their computers.
We cannot take what Mr. Maeda says seriously. This guy either has NO CLUE what he is saying, is a compulsive liar or is simply delusional.
Read this DPReview interview in 2013 with the same mad man.
"However, he ruled out the idea of a larger sensor camera along the lines of the Sony RX100 to offer more of an image quality distinction between smartphones and compact cameras. 'I think the market does exist but it wouldn't be very large. We think we have a good balancing point in terms of price, image quality and size. Lots of other combinations are possible, but, once you go below APS-C the next logical size is 1/2.3 inch', he says."
1 year after the interview, we get the G7X with the RX100 sensor. Ha, ha....
Compare and contrast Canon's response to difficult questions against how Sony and Nikon's reps handle them.
BarnET: How would you characterize the typical EOS 7D owner?
The user profile of 7D owners is ‘high amateur’ and enthusiasts who want high framerates and professional photographers who want a lightweight, fast camera. And also anyone who doesn’t want to carry something big and heavy.
http://camerasize.com/compact/#568.303,520.359,ha,tjust for reference the mirrorless equivelant.
The Canon weighs almost 1 Kg more with the roughly similar image quality.great. Yeah I would consider it for not buying something heavy.
Besides I want Wifi which makes the 7D mk2 even more bulky with that 849 Wifi grip smacked on the bottom.
If the 7D2 weighed the same as the 70D and has a touchscreen (what is the point of DPAF without one), I would have considered getting it.
To Richard Butler:Your comparisons to the 70-200 f/2.8 lenses on APS-C cameras make no sense to me.
While the mirrorless offerings have an equivalent focal length of ~ 70-200 on FF, mounting the 70-200 f/2.8 lenses on APS-C cameras result in ~ 105-300 on FF.
That is not a fair comparison.
Why not compare the various ~ 50-150 f/2.8 lenses on crop cameras to 70-200 f/2.8 or f/4 on FF. While the f/4 version on FF is slower by a stop, the DOF are comparable.
IMO, I'll take 70-200 f/4 on FF any day over 50-150 f/2.8 on APS-C. The only exception is the Panasonic 35-100 f/2.8 for m43. Why Olympus chooses to go down the 40-150 f/2.8 route beats me.
Was all excited about the LX100 until I read this little blip:
"The original version of this article stated that the LX100 has a touchscreen, which is not the case. We are very sorry for any confusion caused." - http://www.dpreview.com/previews/panasonic-lumix-dmc-lx100
So, out of the 3 competing cameras, Sony RX100 III vs Panasonic LX100 vs Canon G7X, only the G7X has a touchscreen which is very important for changing AF in a small format camera.
Same old same old 11+ stops of dynamic range at base ISO?
Sigh Sigh Sigh