D700, D7000, D800, E-PL5
arhmatic: In other words... Want a camera with flash? get the Pen. Want a camera with viewfinder? get the omd...
Why can't just build one camera and built it right? Fuji proved it's possible.
Then why are you commenting here?
Ganondorf: Thanks for the preview, superb!
I'd be very interested in a poll measuring the amount of people feeling that what prohibits them from buying this camera is a VIEWFINDER.God damn it. Olympus is too afraid of cannibalizing their own EM5 sales to make this a complete camera and thereby perfect for their actual intended market.
Many people (myself included) do not want a camera with a built-in viewfinder, IF that means sacrificing portability. I have to say I was tantalized by the one in the NEX6; I think it's a superb design.
sergueis: Yes, OM-D sensor is great but OM-D was announced 15 months ago! Why don't we see any improvements in sensor? And when we'll finally see, I pray it would still have 16MP.
2014 will see a major improvement.
DavinaG: I love Olympus cameras, they are great tools for photography and I will continue to wait for an E system replacement. However, what I really want is a mirrorless system such as this camera for travel. But with wi-fi that does only a fraction of what the Samsung NX-300 will, GPS integration that is laughable, and a price that makes me shriek, I think I will continue to wait. Great pictures are not enough anymore, I want a system that truly embraces the latest in technology after the picture is taken.
Not convinced that WiFi and GPS are more than gimmicks. I've only found one good use for WiFi: to stream photos 'from the field' during sporting events, then Tweet them from my iPhone. And I use an Eye-Fi card for that, in the secondary card slot in my Nikons. https://twitter.com/soundlacrosse
RichRMA: They should start selling them (small mirror-less cameras) with two batteries included because the battery use is a bit of a shock compared to a DSLR with a fair sized battery.
Disagree entirely. It depends on how you use the screen. Typically my D800 lasts for about 800 shots. My E-PL5 lasts the same, which can span a few weeks or just one day.
RichRMA: Those considering this, the OM-D or the NEX-6. If you have a chance to hold the NEX before buying, do it. The word, "trifle" comes to mind. The OM-D is in another class build-wise.
You're missing the point on sensor size/quality. That's for pixel peepers. I have a D800 that "blows everything away" from a pixel perspective. But I can still get photos that are 'just as good' from my M43.
Total sidetrack: one advantage of having 36 crystal clear megapixels is, you can 'zoom in' (crop) after the fact, in LR :), and still get a nice shot.
PicOne: Page 3 of this preview compares the EP5 to OMD with kit zooms.. However, I can't seem to find an actual "Kit" for the EP5 that comes with the 14-42 lens? The only kit evidently comes with the 17mm f/1.8
I never use the OM kit zoom. It's fiddly, and you have to manually close it each time. Sony's kit is zoom is a beautiful example of how it should be.
Cal22: The E-P5 seems to be a fine MFT-camera, indeed. But the only significant advantage to the E-PL5 is an even better image stabilizer, IMO. Are the other differences important enough (if you're not keen on Wi-Fi), to justify the camera's much higher price? Wouldn't you better buy - for the same money - a weathersealed OMD with its built-in EVF?
Controls. That's the only thing that drives me crazy about my E-PL5. Oh and focus peaking. Oh wait, shutter speed will be great to keep the stop down on bright days.
Not interested in OMD because it is not pocketable. Nikon D600 is almost same size.
mediasorcerer: It's amazing how folks defend corporations like there football teams. Who do you barrack for-olympus, sony, or fuji, or panasonic?, personally, i like them all for what they do, however, if they need some critique or analysis, kudos to those brave enough to tell it how it is or how they see it, i.e. pricing, features, quality etc etc.
The reasons 'we' defend (camera) corporations is because most of us are forced to make a decision which camp we're going to be in. If I had the money, I might tinker with cameras from all of the makers - though I'm sure it would make me scatter-brained. Bottom line: until you can look at a photo and say "gee, that was taken by a Sony", NONE of it matters EXCEPT how the camera works for YOU. If you like the camera, then the results will flow... And by the way - just my opinion - price griping is like pixel peeping. It's a waste of time. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Remember your priority: getting great photos from a camera is priceless. Life is short.
mediasorcerer: Having thumb and forefinger control over aperture and shutter speed is excellent ergonomic, far better than rear dial, this looks to be a great camera, no doubt about it, the new viewfinder sounds great too, albeit costly as a separate purchase, so far i'm very impressed with this cam from what iv'e read about it, little bit of a shame sensor isnt larger, that would be the photographers holy grail in this kinda price range say what?
Agree completely. The controls are what make this camera, in my opinion. I know the OM-D has same, but this gives me a pocketable option w/o the EVF.
Carlos AF Costa: Full Frame? No? Ok, thank you, but no!
DOF is not just about small F's. It's also about where you place the subject in relation to the camera and the background. I've used my E-PL5 for a number of magazine assignments and I just shoot with two simple primes: 20 and 45.
Timmbits: One thing DPR seems silent on is MENU HELL according to some.
For those of you discontent that there's no FULL REVIEW, here's one: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/olympus-epl5/olympus-epl5A.HTM
By the way, I love my E-PL5 but am still trying to figure out how to use the Super Control panel? :P
ChrisKramer1: It looks nice and no doubt it will be extremely fast but ultimately, will it give me better picture quality than my Sony NEX5n? It's going to be a tall order because even though the Sony is fiddly, ugly and terribly laggy, it always gives me results that make my jaw hit the floor. After over a year of using it (and cursing it) I still can't get over how good the NEX5n's picture quality is. And it's half the price!
If "picture quality" was the sole determination, I would stick with my D800. But I find that with mirror-less, I have a tiny camera I can carry with me, so I get a better selection of shots - thus, in the end, 'better pictures' (arguably). Sony cameras are nice, I checked them out, but they are not pocketable and dont' have the lens selection (yet).
mediasorcerer: The cheapest i can find this camera for as a "pre-order" in australia is $1300 for BODY ONLY!!
Thats just disgracefully greedy, that will buy you an xe-1 with lens and uv filter or leather case, you have to be kidding olympus???
I'm sure it's good, but not that good, youd have to be barmy to buy this body only over the xe-1, how could it compete?[im asking, not describing], other than possibly being easier to fit in some pockets and having a few extra gimmicky features more?
I'm not doubting it's a superb camera.Isn't it about image quality, first and foremost for price paid?
Here's my guess how it will compete with XE-1• Pocketable. • Faster, more precise focus. • "Pro" style direct spinner controls• And of course, better lens choice
I have a D800 and D7000 with 16-35, 50, 85, 70-200 and 300 lenses. I have used it for magazine photography and even some night sports. But I find that the M43 system is perfect for travel. At first I brought both camera systems along, but in the end I have dropped the DSLR in favor of M43.
I have also used it for my most recent magazine work (portraits), so I'm not the only one happy with the results. I just shoot with two simple and relatively inexpensive primes: 20 and 45.
Sony was an option but poor lens selection and the lenses you can get are much bigger. The entire reason for switching over to M43 was to have a camera that is, quite literally,pocketable. The Olympus E-PL5 with 20mm, is just that. I imagine the E-P5 will also be pocketable, with the added advantage of the two spin dials that most DSLR users are used to.
Shame on Olympus! It's expensive! They're using the 'old' 16mp sensor! Focus peaking is complicated and doesn't work on Video! And it's not weather sealed! Who the heck would buy this?
Where do I get one?
Cane: Why does making a camera look like a fake retro 1960's knockoff hailed as beautiful? So you want your HD tv to come in an oak cabinet?
Have you ever bought a car before?
lmtfa: Another BS test camera to see how many saps will buy into this. This camera plus a viewfinder comes in at a cool $1400.
My Nikon DSLR's (D700 & D90) plus great glass can't be beat. My P510 & P7100 are just good, nothing special. The big disappointment is the Nikon 1 V1. This camera was a major fail even before it came out and Nikon keeps trying to convince folks to buy into the system by pooping out revised models. Al la V2, J3 andS1. My purchase of the V1 was a bad decision but I was enamored by Nikon and so are many others.
I bought the Sony NEX 6 with the 16-50mm kit lens, after seeing this camera I am so glad I strayed.
Note: Pocketable for $1000, oh please.
This probably requires a separate thread but, as a D700 owner, I'd be curious to hear what you like about the Nex6; when you use it, how you compare the quality to the D700, etc.
HubertChen: To be worth my reading time such Article need to deliver clarity. Instead all I found was confusion and blah blah on such a bad level, that it even impacts the reputation of dpreview as a place to find great content.
I am always reading about other cameras and makers to see if I can find something new which could be used in my creative work. If the marketing folks of Panasonic ( read leaders of development of future Panasonic camereas) are so confused where they want to go, then I can strike Articles / reviews of Panasonic Products from my reading list.
As for dpreview I am shocked that such a confusion has been published. Lets hope this is a single slip and not a hint about what q
I felt the same way after reading both this article, and the Olympus one. It was almost as if both were setting us up for a disappointing year.
My needs are simple: a E-PL5 sized camera with a small EVF, not the giant rock of the EM5. Sony has already accomplished this with the Nex-6, but they don't have the lenses and don't have the touch screen.
Shobeir: I want to buy a mirror-less camera and I am thinking of Nex6 or Olympus OM-D E-M5. I had nex 5R and I was not happy with the lack of viewfinder while the screen was not useful in sunny days. I know the Olympus OM-D E-M5 has great performance and quality but it is too bulky. Any idea?
You might want to consider lens choices also. In general, because NEX is APSC format, their lenses will be larger than MFT (you can compare the different zooms, for instance). Although Sony is now introducing some primes, I think MFT has a wider - and better - choice.