Camp Freddy: last ditch attempt to sell Symbian handsets ????? Very suprised at the images it takes: great for a mobile.
last ditch? symbian sold over 20million phones in Q4 '11 (without any high end device for the entire year of 2011); sure they're not in their hey day anymore but its not like they're RIM or WebOS
charles1976: I loved most (if not all) of the nokia phones that ive had over the past 10 years. They've helped me keep in touch with friends and loved ones.
However, Nokia is going the way of Kodak by refusing to change.
The OS was OK for making calls and texting. T9 text input ruled! But beyond that, navigating through the phone's OS is a pain. We have also reached a time where making calls and texting just doesnt cut it anymore.
The camera on this phone is "interesting" at most to me. But lets not forget that this is still a phone at the end of the day. I doubt that i would be willing to sacrifice an iphone or a droid for it. (let alone give up all the aps that i have purchased) I would even rather choose a Windows Phone OS over Symbian.
Nokia needs a new CEO. Let go of some departments and adopt Android. They definately have the resources to come up with their custom version of killer Droid OS.
Oh well. This is just my opinion.
sounds like you havent tried symbian in a long time... especially with the talk of t9 texting
im guessing the last time you used one was in the days of the N95? ;) symbian is a completely different machine in this day and age especially with Belle and moreso with the 808s Belle Feature Pack1 (provides a new browser etc)+hardware upgrades
GSMArena calls Belle "almost revolutionary"
Menneisyys: I've just returned from the MWC, having done MANY resolution comparison shots. Will publish my article in about half an hour - stay tuned!
In a word: the camera rocks and the lens + sensor combo is indeed able to make use of the 36/38/41 Mpixel resolution.
thanks for the review Menneisyys
Kametori: Even if real photos are half as good as promopictures thsi will be the best cameraphone and faraway from competitors. I think it's somehow sad that Nokia put this with poor display and (not so poor anymore) belle symbian. But the camera is something that is amazing. Hope microsoft understand that they have to loose some HW requirement limitations asap to get this in windows phone.When Nokia gets this to better body with 4.6/7" amoled in Lumia 800 design there will be real killer products for other MS phones, androids and even iPhones. Nokia still knows how to make phones. Kudos
he's speaking about the screens resolution
the screen looks great though people dont seem to get its not about numbers entirely its about screen technology too
theranman: What do you think the chances are that this phone will have image stabilization????
well the N8 has video stabilization and i imagine this will too but i havent read anything about IS for stills so i imagine it doesnt have it
stylinred: I've a question over this comment "As a result, its photosites are the same size as those in most 8.2MP cameraphone"
does this mean the Nokia N8 would get sharper images? with 12mpx and a 1/1.83" sensor (im a newb here) but ive read a few comments over several blogs saying that the N8 takes sharper images and I'm wondering if that's true and if the quote above has something to do with that?
i see what you're saying hmm cant wait for the camera comparisons!
and for Nokia to tweak the device even more before release
DioCanon: unfortunately is another symbian/meego OS, if it was an Android or WP7 I would have considered it...
OS allegiances really aren't necessary here as each OS is suited for different people it doesnt make one better than the other and there are positives and negatives in all of them
VadymA: Hope iPhone5 will have similar sensor ;)
the iphone5 might catch up to the Nokia N8 finally (i doubt it) but you'll still be getting the over saturated, sharpened, dnr'd images ;)
Lan: Nokia isn't a sensor manufacturer, so whose sensor is it?
More samples from the 808 here:http://cdn.conversations.nokia.com.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Archive2.zip(will it post the link? If not, it's on the official Nokia 808 PureView blog)
About the only instant problem I can see is a few stuck pixels. Not surprising at 100%, but somewhat surprising in the downsampled images. Buy DxO guys!
Those low ISO 38MP images look gorgeous when downsampled to ~10MP.
Design-wise it looks remarkably similar to my last cameraphone - the Kodak/Motorola ZN5. One of the few sensors to date to use an RGBW array. Samples from the ZN5 in my DPR Gallery if anyone's interested.
Congrats to Nokia on a potential winning cameraphone; just make sure it has the features that we want as photographers. Histograms and exposure compensation at least please. Ideally some way to manual focus, or to adjust the focus in some way - zoom review or peaking for the playback as well!
watch this interview with Damian Dinning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZheH4PjEows
He says that they went to Sony/Toshiba etc but they didnt have a sensor like this
So Nokia designed it and worked with partners to get it made
GaryJP: Hmm. You say no bokeh. The samples beg to differ. Better than many compacts.
And hopefully it won't match my Fujifilm X10 in the orbs department.
I am very likely to dump my iPhone for this camera alone.
you should have dumped it for a Nokia N8 2 years ago :)
I've a question over this comment "As a result, its photosites are the same size as those in most 8.2MP cameraphone"
@JayKim you could always download some camera apps that would give you those settings/functionalities like CameraPro
M1963: The madness has gone too far. Phones are for phoning (and texting, OK), cameras are for photographing. The sample image on flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nokiaofficial/6788333052/sizes/o/in/photostream/) is appalling: it's unsharp and noisy. I don't even care if it's far better than any other cell phone at shooting. It's a bad image, that's all there is to it. If you want to make photos, buy a camera, not a phone.And no, I'm not 108 years old...
Im not a photographer in the least but im quite happy with the photos i take with my N8 check out some of the user posted images in the Nokia N8 User Group on flickr some are mind boggling http://www.flickr.com/groups/nokian8/
and check out my gallery if you wish for what a regular user can dohttp://www.flickr.com/groups/nokian8/
Jez EMIN: One word......
Nokia have to get it in their thick heads that NOT MANY people are that interested in Symbian. It's either iPhone, or Android.
(I miss my Nokia N95 phone since it was an awesome camera, but times have moved forward and Nokia have been left way behind).
not many people are interested in symbian... yet until the end of last year Symbian was still the #1 OS in the world.... and even then Symbian is still #1 in many european and most asian markets....
Heck Nokia sold 20million Symbian smartphones in Q4 alone and they haven't had a significant Symbian device since 2010 with the N8...
Doug Frost: Put that camera in an iOS or Android phone and it'll be a hit. But since this thing runs on Symbian we're looking at a major FAIL.
GSMArena Belle "feels almost revolutionary" and this was when they reviewed Belle on the slower Nokia 700
the 808 is a faster device and Belle runs smoothly on my N8 with half the processing power and memory of the 808....
Terrera: I liked it, great camera and excellent idea... but unfortunately Nokia is still a cell phone producer. And they are lacking on one very important issue: OS. No use having a best in class camera if they have a bad OS that cannot handle the hardware, and that is what's happening with Nokia going to Windows Mobile 7.
I like Nokia, all my cell phones were Nokia, but it is used for telecommunications... talking and internet... Wish they would go Android...
uh Symbian Belle is better than Android Gingerbread... even GSMArena calls it "almost revolutionary" even though Belle is considered 'late to the game' by critics
and Symbian Carla is coming later this year and Donna the year after (which the 808 is upgradeable to)
I cant stand people knocking the OS when they clearly havent tried it
Peiasdf: Very very bad per pixel sharpness. I still think Foveon or other 3D sensor idea is the future of small sensor photography.
the nokia N8 still takes better or just as good pics as the Foveon... and that's a 2yr old device
Mandeno Moments: Three positives:
1) JPEG quality is 95.2) Haloing is minimal.3) The neutral density filter will help with avoiding diffraction.
DP Review says that the digital zoom is 28-78 equivalent. The Nokia video shows 24-74.
This is the future of consumer photography, because many people want to take a photo then share it quickly and easily. Some serious photographers like the iPhone 4s as a carry-everywhere, and the Nokia appears to be far better. At full screen the Nokia photos look much more natural (less synthetic) than those from the iPhone 4s.
For me the problem with camera phones is useability, and I find it very hard to imagine a phone that has a user interface as pleasant as that of a Canon S95 (the S95 is an excellent carry-everywhere, so this is a reasonable comparison).
the Nokia N8 is a far better camera than the iphone4 ;) but many people still prefer the iphone as their everyday carry camera, go figure
hopefully the 808 changes their minds but i think they choose the iphone4 simply because of the Apple rather than the camera