glarry: I have 2 close friends waiting eagerly to buy this Nokia (for video and special for photos). It’s a long waiting list for Nokia 808 to that shop. At least the photos from this camera are very good, big step ahead compared to other phones photos.
tell em to order from amazon.fr they've got stock
jj74e: point and shoots are officially useless....companies better start putting in significant things like bigger sensors and better lenses, and stop trying to hang on with more scene modes and filters (that they do worse than phone/app companies anyway)
you have shutter speed control.. or that is manipulation up to 2.7seconds
Petrogel: The big fuzz for nothing phone, strikes again. We've just witness the average 1080 HD video sample. We'll be waiting the in depth preview of the -ridiculous 41mp- phone camera.
you realize that the microns become huge when binned right
Superka: If DPreview is reviewing phones now, why not posting film scanners reviews? The also have sensor, lens, and they convert analog photography to digital.
@Petrogel have you looked at the photos that people are taking with this camera?
you also note that Nokia created something that's existed in "many" cameras (not many not by far)
But you forget that Nokia started developing this camera back in 2007... but the first camera to offer pixel binning wasn't shipping until the end of 2008 (the Phase One 65+) so you really should be giving Nokia credit here for what they've created
Lupti: So what? In my country it is priced around 550 €. For that price I can get a decent stills cam with optical stabilisation and good video capabilities with stereo mic AND a smartphone. Nothing to rave about this video sample, it´s shaky as hell and sound isn´t good, it´s pretty muffled and 128kbps is also nothing special, listen to the drum sound, due to the low bitrate it sounds too clanking for my taste. There are some pocket camcorders with better video and sound for sale.Smartphones are just toys without real value of use, photos and videos aren´t good, surfing the web is uncomfortable, the small screen gives you the experience of mouse cinema when viewing photos and videos and with heavy usage the battery will quickly run out of power.And phoning and writing SMS, I can do this with my 20 € cellphone as well...
check out comparisons with the Sony NEX-7 and 808
SHood: Now take a look at a RX100 video. There is more to video than sensor size.
would have to see them shooting the same scene although i imagine the rx100 would edge out obviously but have you seen the video compare between the 808 and NEX7?
check out darkx on youtube http://www.youtube.com/user/daxrx7
Magnus3D: If Apple released a device with these technical specs no one would have complained about it, it would have been instantly overhyped and cost just as much as this Nokia phone does, if not more.
it would cost over $1000 considering the price of the iphone unlocked
dark goob: That's because Apple's products are based on more than just technical specs. They have earned their "hype" by, you know, INNOVATING while companies like Nokia were pumping out plasticky crud phones. Anyone remember what phones were like before iPhone? Or does your traumatic memory block it out?
Not to downplay the interesting features of this device. I'm impressed with Nokia's innovative design for the camera. Maybe they should make cameras. I would buy this if it didn't have a craptastic phone OS cobbled onto it.
what did apple innovate exactly??? except use what was available... and buy what was cool to install on their os... or steal from other os' (like nokia) ..... hmm.... innovative eh...
yeah i remember phones before the iphone... they still have more features than the iphone4s... i remember pocketPCs and iPaqs remember those? hmm apple innovative... hmmm right
3DSimmon: It's a great package, outstanding camera, video, phone, sound, and free maps for navigation. I only wish it was shaped like the Lumias though...and not soo expensive.
@3DSimmon you know I didn't like the design much either initially but it grew on me and considering the sensor the design makes sense
after getting the 808 in my hand WOW!!!! it looks fantastic!! far better than pics/videos
@menneisyys I actually had an order at the promo price on .de but after a month it still didnt ship -_- so i switched to amazon.fr
stock is non-existent especially for the Red unit :/
Suave: Wait, it runs on Symbian? Nokia still tries to push it?
@petrogel how about posting after having some experience with the camera or at the very least after reading some of the millions of positive reviews on it
Petrogel: Guys you are really funny . For 600+ euros you can buy a REAL camera, AND NOT THIS TOY CAMERA, i'm not talking about the phone (there is nothing to say) (once you go Symbian you never want to even hear anything about it ) !!!!!
i bought it for 500 euros+
bought a 320 as a gift and they love it very very compact and easy learning curve for a newbtouchscreen is Okay
Simon97: I would like to see this "pixel oversampling" technology in an actual point & shoot camera using a real zoom lens. Gone would be the days of the "Bayer softness" when viewing images zoomed in (or close cropped). No need for sharpening and the ugly halos it can produce. Noise reduction, while still necessary at higher ISOs may not be as intrusive since pixel binning would reduce the noise.
Today's P&S cameras make truly awful images, especially the 14 and 16MP ones. The larger sensor compacts, like the 1/1.7 sensored ones are better, but not quite there for me.
Kind of funny seeing this appear in a phone first. Camera makers are asleep at the wheel.
well the first camera to have "oversampling" is the phase one 65+ it does 2x2 pixels the 808 does 7pixels? ish (depending on the resolution)
and Sonys NEX cameras are going to have it next year or something liek that
Ben O Connor: So its sensor is bigger than my Oly XZ-1 !!! and costing more 200 euros. It carries a media player and all the ingridient you can share without any cable. !!!
I wonder does it really taking good fotos....really ?
check out the flikr group of people who already have the 808 http://www.flickr.com/groups/808pureview/ (might want to check out the earlier photos)
vv50: 1. does the 808 have a low-pass filter?2. does the 808 have shutter priority mode?
The 808 has a fixed aperture to my understanding that negates the ability of a shutter priority mode? there are scene modes, and you can influence the shutter speed through the iso settings (50-1600) and turning the ND filter on/off (up to 2.7sec shutter speed)
as for lowpass filtering im not certain but i read a comment from "Timo Lehtinen" saying that Nokia didn't include lowpass filtering because they wanted a "natural sharpening" ??
chadley_chad: Hey, why not go the whole hog and sell all your DSLR equip and L class lenses and buy the 808!
I HATE the convergence between camera's and phones!
the only thing the s95/100 has going for it is RAW mode :)
forpetessake: Yet another hype oriented product. Will people pay that much money for it? As P.T.Barnum put it: "There's a sucker born every minute"
I pre-ordered the 808 for $500 Canadian (sans shipping/taxes) it takes pictures than any compact except maybe the RX100 (we'll see i suppose) and i get a smartphone out of it
and if you looked at the reviews across the internet you'll realize its far from hype
teeoh717: It definitely is intriguing, but my original three-year-old Moto Droid (that I still haven't gotten the opportunity of ditching just yet) has a higher 854x480 resolution display (@ 265ppi), even at an inch smaller...
180ppi (320x640) on a phone with a 41 megapixel camera?? What exactly was Nokia thinking? Utter deal breaker in my opinion.
There's a reason most new DSLR screens carry 270+ ppi density. Going "back" to anything lower is a noticeable step backwards. What a shame.
its a true RGB (not pentile) CBD (clearblack like super) AMOLED display though
pixel density may not be great but its better/as good compared to Compact cameras
and the Clearblack display allows for viewing under direct sunlight so you can still make use of the viewfinder
happypoppeye: Whats a 1/1.2 sensor ...is that big or small, I have no idea...
actually folks the average sensor size for smartphones (and the iphone at that) is 1/3.2" because those phones want to remain super thin
the sensor in the 808 is larger than the Canon S100 and smaller than the Sony RX100 by a tad
Ryan_Valiente: If only this runs on Android..it will be a success.
As much as how Symbian/Nokia fans out there says how Symbian is better now, I'm still not going back to a dying ecosystem. Nokia can't even purely commit to WP7.
- - High ISO shots looks like a painting. lol
@thegun hows it a midrange os when it can do more than the other os' ???
unless you rate an OS' range by how many fart apps it has...
@OP Android & its hardware can't handle the 41mpx sensor (its a fact only 20mpx max) so that wouldn't work; and the only Android manufacturer having any success is Samsung the rest are heavily struggling to get by and even Samsung is facing stiff legal battles with Apple