The 808 pureview is much better...so why hasn't dpreview reviewed this device yet? Neither has gsmarena makes me think that Nokia is purposely keeping it out of your hands
slorimer: All the pictures and all the links give only images of women. Does this technology work with men too?
Tan68: I have trouble figuring out how the shoes work.
they dont this picture is after the fall, she's taking it like a champ
halc: Sample images look good for a smartphone:
Yet : - highlights are overexposed 2/3 stops or so - plenty of noise even at ISO 100
The Nokia Camera Pro features are cool.
Shame about the Windows Phone OS, though.
@Ptox OS is really subjective matter imo Symbian>All and in yours WP>All and in Halc something else>all
@vv50 there's cloud storage in symb
qianp2k: When DXOMark will test this 41mp cellphone camera or older 41mp 808 cellphone camera? I want to see their P-MPix, guess no more than 5 mpix :-)
dxomark did test the 808 pureview
Photato: You'll need a tripod to get 41mp worth of resolution, good light and when subject is still. Or when seeing resolution charts in review sites.In the real world however, when handheld, 41mp is a blurry mess.Bigger pixels is the way to go. Just like DSLRs
Im no photographer at least i dont feel like one (not skilled as one and no camera), i simply love taking pics with my phone here are some 38mpx HDR shots i've done with my 808 handheld granted no examples of moving objects but if you check out the 808 groups on Flickr you'll find many full resolution action shotshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/64809958@N03/7674340906/http://www.flickr.com/photos/64809958@N03/8403316826/http://www.flickr.com/photos/64809958@N03/8392357291/http://www.flickr.com/photos/64809958@N03/8393356856/http://www.flickr.com/photos/64809958@N03/8124579903/http://www.flickr.com/photos/64809958@N03/8166099825/
The iPhone 5 cam sensor (left) is about 20% smaller :( I loved the quality of 4s pictures, and I have an iPh5 on order. So disappointed. I may cancel and get a Galaxy or something.
well symbian belle fp2 can still do more things the iphone can... so it is more advanced...
Geir Ove: I do not understand this "over-focus" on what OS any device is running: If the device (PC. phone, whatever) does its job and runs the apps you need, who cares?
I am a programmer and develop farily advanced systems: The OS is NOT important, but the applications I can run on it is: They make up the system!
A tip on the 808 Blown Highlights: Manually turn on the ND filter in bright sunlight! It should turn om Automatically in Auto mode, but for 3-8 MPix res it does not seem to do this from tests I did yesterday. However, it does seem to work in full res 38 MPix mode. I will do more tests to try to verify this.
@Lensbringer you realize Symbian Belle has a fully functioning Microsoft Office Suite right? (free)a butt load of dictionaries free... 808 etc plays music better than other phones due to its Dolby feature and its immensely loud loudspeaker
etc etc etc
australopithecus: I have a kid with an N8 (he's had it for about a year). Took it to Europe on a skiing holiday and could hardly believe the video footage that this little "phone" produced. I've worked up some shots in PSE and they are excellent.
Once Nokia sort their operating system out (Now that Microsoft is in on the deal) Apple is dead !
lupti the n8 has stereo sound and the n8s video only dropped frames during a very very short period where there was a conflicting update a fix was almost immediately released...
but i do agree the n8s video isnt spectacular, its good, but its still are though
WalterPaisley: The problem with a review like this is that it focuses on the camera feature of a phone that is otherwise receiving pretty mediocre reviews. Just read Wired Magazine's article.
Then there's the cost. $650+ unlocked on Amazon.
wired not only gave an illegible review it was filled with incorrect information if you want a review on a phone its best to go to a DPReview equivalent for phones like GSMArena etc
Kenneth Margulies: iPhone 5 comes out later this year. The 8MP camera now is impressive, but I am curious how the updated model will compare to this and other phone/cameras. Decent pictures, amazing apps (iPhone has lots), and ease of use. I doubt basic P&S cameras will last much longer.
well the 4s still lacks compared to the nokia n8 cant imagine the 5 being any different considering the thinner form factor and identical camera lens size
SamTruax: I'm all for technology and I think that this little camera phone is a good achievement but I really can't say I am impressed by the images it produces.The higher ISO images are not bad...they are terrible. Low ISO shots are definitely acceptable...especially considering the amount of detail you can get with that many MP but the colors don't look very accurate and WB looks to be an issue in anything but bright sunlight.I am just amazed that some are comparing detail against something like the D800. We need to get some perspective on exactly what this camera/phone can produce.
keep in mind the high iso shot shown was also fully zoomed so it wasn't using any of the "pureview" features
would have liked a little more in-depth review and a mention of influencing the shutter speed up to 2.7seconds but this was nice I've noticed the highlight clipping in my use with the 808 but I had assumed it was my amateur hands/skills and not the camera
so then more bracketed images it is
Lan: You're half wrong about the on-screen histogram, it will display when you select exposure compensation. Unfortunately half-pressing the shutter button makes it vanish again...
Interestingly you haven't mentioned either of my two biggest bugbears with it though:
* The inexcusable lack of a lens cover. Holding it in portrait mode pretty much guarantees you'll stick fingerprints all over the lens. I've had to resort to wrapping it in a lens cloth when it's in my pocket...
* The lack of image stabilization. I don't really have a problem when using it at 8MP, but I get a lot of shake problems at 38MP. I want to use the full resolution when I can.
The lens cover thing might not be such an issue if it weren't for the fact that the optional cover ($$$) isn't readily available in the UK. I've had to order mine from Amazon US, and I've been given a ship date of 1-4 months. Similar problems with the tripod mount.
Surely this cameraphone deserves a DPR award though; my issues notwithstanding!
well its gorilla glass so you shouldnt fret about scratches and a simple wipe does away with fingerprints (something i was concerned about as well)
JWest: It's very impressive that Nokia have followed through with such an innovative product, which must have taken quite an investment in R&D. It's such a shame that we can't expect to see a camera like this on an Android phone any time soon.
Out of interest, is there any reason not to shoot with it in 38MP mode all the time? Correct me if I'm wrong, but (fantastic though the specs are) it sounds very much like any other digital zoom, just with a much more detailed initial image to work with.
reviewer notes that there's less noise/clipping/etc in pureview mode
Absolutic: I don't know, if it is me, but I have not been impressed at all by the samples and pictures provided there. Maybe I forgot how picture from point-and-shoot looks like, but these look mushy and really camera-phone like. Best point and shoots with smaller sensor (LX3 comes to mind) provide sharper outputs..
you could check out the 808 flickr groups for some better samples
robbo d: Impressive, as i thought. the highlight clipping was a little disappointing and the HDR feature on my HTC has just arrived with an upgrade. So i'm sure thats no real hassle for a Nokia firmware upgrade.
With technology advancing like it has, this was inevitable. Compacts may well be in danger
Thanks Dpr, that was a justifiable and well put together review. I know you have issues being pushed for time and so many reviews to do.
Not available in Australia unless buying the whole handset from an importer.
well there are hdr apps
zodiacfml: Wow, you were not kidding with its image quality and Gold award! I compared it to an S100, XZ-1, and LX5 and they look like a joke to this phone at ISO 200 and beyond. At first, as I expecting any compacts will beat the Nokia in higher ISOs due to its high MP count (same pixel pitch though) but no, it was clearly the opposite.I hope this sends a message to the companies above that compacts need a larger sensors like the RX100.Put this on a modern OS, I'll get my first smartphone.
symbian is modern you've just got to try it to see heck it still does things that other os' can't out of the box
MichaelEchos: Oversampling technology is not new...
Oversampling may not be new but when Nokia first started designing this phone over 5 years ago there was no other camera with it, the 1st camera to introduce binning was the Phase One 65+ which didn't start selling until a year after Nokia had begun working on "pureview"
Lupti: So what? In my country it is priced around 550 €. For that price I can get a decent stills cam with optical stabilisation and good video capabilities with stereo mic AND a smartphone. Nothing to rave about this video sample, it´s shaky as hell and sound isn´t good, it´s pretty muffled and 128kbps is also nothing special, listen to the drum sound, due to the low bitrate it sounds too clanking for my taste. There are some pocket camcorders with better video and sound for sale.Smartphones are just toys without real value of use, photos and videos aren´t good, surfing the web is uncomfortable, the small screen gives you the experience of mouse cinema when viewing photos and videos and with heavy usage the battery will quickly run out of power.And phoning and writing SMS, I can do this with my 20 € cellphone as well...
@men no its not my video