would have liked a little more in-depth review and a mention of influencing the shutter speed up to 2.7seconds but this was nice I've noticed the highlight clipping in my use with the 808 but I had assumed it was my amateur hands/skills and not the camera
so then more bracketed images it is
Lan: You're half wrong about the on-screen histogram, it will display when you select exposure compensation. Unfortunately half-pressing the shutter button makes it vanish again...
Interestingly you haven't mentioned either of my two biggest bugbears with it though:
* The inexcusable lack of a lens cover. Holding it in portrait mode pretty much guarantees you'll stick fingerprints all over the lens. I've had to resort to wrapping it in a lens cloth when it's in my pocket...
* The lack of image stabilization. I don't really have a problem when using it at 8MP, but I get a lot of shake problems at 38MP. I want to use the full resolution when I can.
The lens cover thing might not be such an issue if it weren't for the fact that the optional cover ($$$) isn't readily available in the UK. I've had to order mine from Amazon US, and I've been given a ship date of 1-4 months. Similar problems with the tripod mount.
Surely this cameraphone deserves a DPR award though; my issues notwithstanding!
well its gorilla glass so you shouldnt fret about scratches and a simple wipe does away with fingerprints (something i was concerned about as well)
JWest: It's very impressive that Nokia have followed through with such an innovative product, which must have taken quite an investment in R&D. It's such a shame that we can't expect to see a camera like this on an Android phone any time soon.
Out of interest, is there any reason not to shoot with it in 38MP mode all the time? Correct me if I'm wrong, but (fantastic though the specs are) it sounds very much like any other digital zoom, just with a much more detailed initial image to work with.
reviewer notes that there's less noise/clipping/etc in pureview mode
Absolutic: I don't know, if it is me, but I have not been impressed at all by the samples and pictures provided there. Maybe I forgot how picture from point-and-shoot looks like, but these look mushy and really camera-phone like. Best point and shoots with smaller sensor (LX3 comes to mind) provide sharper outputs..
you could check out the 808 flickr groups for some better samples
robbo d: Impressive, as i thought. the highlight clipping was a little disappointing and the HDR feature on my HTC has just arrived with an upgrade. So i'm sure thats no real hassle for a Nokia firmware upgrade.
With technology advancing like it has, this was inevitable. Compacts may well be in danger
Thanks Dpr, that was a justifiable and well put together review. I know you have issues being pushed for time and so many reviews to do.
Not available in Australia unless buying the whole handset from an importer.
well there are hdr apps
zodiacfml: Wow, you were not kidding with its image quality and Gold award! I compared it to an S100, XZ-1, and LX5 and they look like a joke to this phone at ISO 200 and beyond. At first, as I expecting any compacts will beat the Nokia in higher ISOs due to its high MP count (same pixel pitch though) but no, it was clearly the opposite.I hope this sends a message to the companies above that compacts need a larger sensors like the RX100.Put this on a modern OS, I'll get my first smartphone.
symbian is modern you've just got to try it to see heck it still does things that other os' can't out of the box
MichaelEchos: Oversampling technology is not new...
Oversampling may not be new but when Nokia first started designing this phone over 5 years ago there was no other camera with it, the 1st camera to introduce binning was the Phase One 65+ which didn't start selling until a year after Nokia had begun working on "pureview"
Lupti: So what? In my country it is priced around 550 €. For that price I can get a decent stills cam with optical stabilisation and good video capabilities with stereo mic AND a smartphone. Nothing to rave about this video sample, it´s shaky as hell and sound isn´t good, it´s pretty muffled and 128kbps is also nothing special, listen to the drum sound, due to the low bitrate it sounds too clanking for my taste. There are some pocket camcorders with better video and sound for sale.Smartphones are just toys without real value of use, photos and videos aren´t good, surfing the web is uncomfortable, the small screen gives you the experience of mouse cinema when viewing photos and videos and with heavy usage the battery will quickly run out of power.And phoning and writing SMS, I can do this with my 20 € cellphone as well...
@men no its not my video
Suave: Wait, it runs on Symbian? Nokia still tries to push it?
@petrogel which phone let alone device doesnt have bugs that need to be worked out for early adopters?
rondhamalam: If only it has ANDROID ..........................
Symbian is dead !!!
Wait for next generation of pureview Nokia 809
whys it dead? its getting supported for at least a few more years... and although the app growth has slowed to a crawl its still growing... dont tell me you dont upgrade your phones within 4 years time
I've got a few problems with the 808 that should hopefully be fixed with a firmware update.
1) Cameras viewfinder will black out and only the UI will show, I can still snap pics but can't see (but this hasnt recurred)
2) and sometimes when snapping photos i will get a blank/black jpeg file and the only way to rectify it is to switch shooting modes
3) another is when Bracketing stills you can select either 3 or 5 stills to be taken and a range of exposures to capture when opting for -4.0/+4.0 exposures it only captures 4 stills instead of the selected 5
glarry: I have 2 close friends waiting eagerly to buy this Nokia (for video and special for photos). It’s a long waiting list for Nokia 808 to that shop. At least the photos from this camera are very good, big step ahead compared to other phones photos.
tell em to order from amazon.fr they've got stock
jj74e: point and shoots are officially useless....companies better start putting in significant things like bigger sensors and better lenses, and stop trying to hang on with more scene modes and filters (that they do worse than phone/app companies anyway)
you have shutter speed control.. or that is manipulation up to 2.7seconds
Petrogel: The big fuzz for nothing phone, strikes again. We've just witness the average 1080 HD video sample. We'll be waiting the in depth preview of the -ridiculous 41mp- phone camera.
you realize that the microns become huge when binned right
Superka: If DPreview is reviewing phones now, why not posting film scanners reviews? The also have sensor, lens, and they convert analog photography to digital.
@Petrogel have you looked at the photos that people are taking with this camera?
you also note that Nokia created something that's existed in "many" cameras (not many not by far)
But you forget that Nokia started developing this camera back in 2007... but the first camera to offer pixel binning wasn't shipping until the end of 2008 (the Phase One 65+) so you really should be giving Nokia credit here for what they've created
check out comparisons with the Sony NEX-7 and 808
SHood: Now take a look at a RX100 video. There is more to video than sensor size.
would have to see them shooting the same scene although i imagine the rx100 would edge out obviously but have you seen the video compare between the 808 and NEX7?
check out darkx on youtube http://www.youtube.com/user/daxrx7
Magnus3D: If Apple released a device with these technical specs no one would have complained about it, it would have been instantly overhyped and cost just as much as this Nokia phone does, if not more.
it would cost over $1000 considering the price of the iphone unlocked
dark goob: That's because Apple's products are based on more than just technical specs. They have earned their "hype" by, you know, INNOVATING while companies like Nokia were pumping out plasticky crud phones. Anyone remember what phones were like before iPhone? Or does your traumatic memory block it out?
Not to downplay the interesting features of this device. I'm impressed with Nokia's innovative design for the camera. Maybe they should make cameras. I would buy this if it didn't have a craptastic phone OS cobbled onto it.
what did apple innovate exactly??? except use what was available... and buy what was cool to install on their os... or steal from other os' (like nokia) ..... hmm.... innovative eh...
yeah i remember phones before the iphone... they still have more features than the iphone4s... i remember pocketPCs and iPaqs remember those? hmm apple innovative... hmmm right
3DSimmon: It's a great package, outstanding camera, video, phone, sound, and free maps for navigation. I only wish it was shaped like the Lumias though...and not soo expensive.
@3DSimmon you know I didn't like the design much either initially but it grew on me and considering the sensor the design makes sense
after getting the 808 in my hand WOW!!!! it looks fantastic!! far better than pics/videos
@menneisyys I actually had an order at the promo price on .de but after a month it still didnt ship -_- so i switched to amazon.fr
stock is non-existent especially for the Red unit :/