To all those complaining about the pricing used. If you go by retail prices, which website/brick & mortar would be your base? Add to that prices fluctuate, based on region, forex, demand, sales, etc. (global site after all) All this causes a slew of problems/considerations, would they do a weighted average for pricing? (to be fair) It will take the already tedious amount of time these reports take and just multiply it by 10, ugh... going by MSRP makes more sense in terms of providing the user the quickest and easiest to understand report, especially if they're going to release these articles in time for the holiday kickoff. At most you could ask DPReview to input a note at the end indicating global pricing issues etc. Although it's not as if consumers don't realize that prices aren't set in stone.(auditing 101)
Jim Salvas: With the recent price drop, the E-M1 should have been included in the previous camera group. It's now under $1,000.
if you go by retail prices, which website/brick & mortar would be your base? Add to that prices fluctuate, based on region, forex, demand, etc. All this causes a slew of problems/considerations, would they do a weighted average? ugh... going by MSRP makes more sense in terms of providing the user the quickest and easiest to understand report, at most you could ask DPReview to input a note at the end indicating global pricing issues etc. (auditing 101)
Mark K: Comparing to Sony, Samsung is financially much healthier. They started NX from scratch and have made amazingly sharp lenses. IMHO, Samsung is the only company with the most potential to develop in camera industry. However, I see more commitment from Sony than Samsung.
Betamax was the better format, and it still survived behind the scenes in the production world, so I guess it wasn't really a failure overall...but a failure in the consumer market
Rajeshb: Just announce the A7rII as the winner of the remaining group.
the a7r2 was already announced winner of its group
Lee Jay: 700 shots on 3 batteries? I shot 2,250 shots at an airshow on one battery.
700/3 = 233 shots per battery. I wasn't dead at 2,250 and some of those were videos, so it looks like the battery life difference is about a factor of 10 between this camera and my 7D Mark II.
I usually carry 3 batteries. No way I'm buying a camera for which I'd need to carry 30!
you could carry 1 battery and a portable charger hooked into the micro-usb... that's what i do (still have 2 more batteries with me though but they don't get used)
Manfred Bachmann: I agree, the a7r2 is not the ideal sport camera, but if a photographer knows how tu use his gear it looks like this....great colors, great timing and perfect WB. Yes, he is a Sony artisan, but who cares if the pictures are good.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIakt30iBGYmanfred
i have to admit, i was expecting more from this dpreview authors results, as i've gotten better results with my nex3n at formula 1 night races, i thought i clicked on a link to a forum posting and not a published article, i'm shocked!
the link you included is what i would expect from a pro shooter, and to learn that it's not from a pro-sports shooter makes me doubly shocked! lol
i dont know what to think anymore...i'll be at another F1 race soon, and this time with my a7r2, i'll see how i do, but i've only got the 90mm lens :/ maybe i'll rent a tele... or shoot in the super35 mode
Everlast66: I think something is messed up with the announcement or reporting of the A7SII pricing. €3,400 in Europe and $2,999 in the US just don't make sense.
Original A7S camera prices on Amazon:
£ 1,550 in the UK
€ 2,000 in Germany
$ 2,500 in the US
It makes sense for the new A7SII to be $500 more in the US, but no sense in being €1,400 more than the original version in Europe.
youre comparing current retail prices with new msrp??? apples and oranges my friend
ShoppingBoy: Looks like a nice camera to pair with my iPhone. I'll probably get it with a long zoom lens for event photography. For everything else it's iPhone.
adengappasami: What will i do with all thee new cameras when i want a 14,21,24mm AF lenses. Guess i will continue to enjoy the BEST ever 35mm
well if all the lenses available to you aren't enough (especially when you consider the use of an adapter) Sony has said that they'll be releasing several new lenses for the new year
photo perzon: Still a tiny sensor compared to m4/3 and aps-c no?
@avice 4X larger but 4X more expensive for that i expect moreThere are nice upgrades in this but Sony is really dragging it out in terms of the sensor
Paul1974: It seems like DPreview is ignoring the increase in megapixel count from 16 to 24. Why? For me, upgrading from Nex-5n to Nex-6 for better handling only, was not good enough. However the prospect of 24 MP (a6000) makes it tempting.
maybe they'll hold off on that until they see how the 24mpx performs
keeponkeepingon: While I like the 808 camera everything else about it is horrible.
Just doing a basic task can take me 5 times longer than on my iphone.
For example: Take a picture, resize it for email, enter contacts/enter a subject text then send.
OMG it is so slow on the 808. You can't specifiy a size in the email program so you have to enter the editor, resize, then save as a seperate file which takes 4evah. Then you go to send it but they give you 3 choices and the screen is so bad (or my fingers so big) 1/5th of the time it goes to SMS messaging, exit that, try again get into email, now your subject is like a 10 didget number, so you try to select and delete that, but the selection is wonky you finally give up and back space 10 or 20 times to delete the filename based nonsense subject enterr you contacts/text and "finally" hit send.
Sigh. End result is I rarely actually send pictures from the phone, which is sort of the whole point of having a camera in the dang phone.....
sounds like total bs to me...
stylinred: wow look at all the detail the 808 picks up in the pencil drawing and the sponge and the plants etc etc
Gotta give thanks to DPReview for bringing out the 808 again, thanks!
no clue im assuming the larger sensor has something to do with it? beyond me :D but 808 <3
wow look at all the detail the 808 picks up in the pencil drawing and the sponge and the plants etc etc
I hope its an adequately sized sensor...i'd like a nice camera to move on from my symbian pureview
robbo d: I've seen head to head samples between 808 and 1020 on another site. The 1020 overall is the better shooter, giving better tones and Low light performance. Perhaps in kind lighting, the 808 has better IQ, but overall, technology has caught up. Still going to oust any other cam phone and hopefully Nokia Aust, will bring it in, then my plan expiry in Nov will be complete.Simply, it's an advancement on any previous phone, it's getting closer and closer to being the same as a top compact, so for having tethered to your phone, it's a half decent shooter.Nice review.
mistyfog and petrogel do nothing but diss nokia and the 808 this has gone on for years yet they have the gall to put down those speaking in favour of the 808 for having too much time,ego,pride In devices they actually own and use?... time to roll that wheelchair outside and enjoy the sun while its still summer you two
Dominick101: The writer kept praising its large sensor and kept re-emphasizing how downsampling helped in improving quality but made no mention of the comparative results against its predecessor which did better in all these aspects. Funny thing is that the 808 is being shown on the first page and the ending word kinda' implies that the 1020 is a better camera than the 808 without even a single comparative shot -- they are clearly trying to downplay the 808 without even a single proof that the 1020 can do better. Without a doubt, this article is biased and DP has lost its credibility as of late.
@hobbit13 the 808 is a better smartphone though... it has more features and can do things better than the 1020 can heck it can compete with other devices too the only thing it lacks is support and apps since the os has been abandoned
The 808 pureview is much better...so why hasn't dpreview reviewed this device yet? Neither has gsmarena makes me think that Nokia is purposely keeping it out of your hands
slorimer: All the pictures and all the links give only images of women. Does this technology work with men too?
Tan68: I have trouble figuring out how the shoes work.
they dont this picture is after the fall, she's taking it like a champ