Brosazak: Nikon's finally catching up two years later, with it's own version of the Canon Rebel T2i.
24.2 MP is quite a lot though. Get ready for large RAW/JPEG files!
I consider the 16MP cameras "caught up" enough, this is finally surpassing the Canon entry level camera pixel total... which is the first time in memory (going back to the 300D era). Now they have top spots in both FF and APS-C.
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Posted on Apr 20, 2012 at 03:08:34 UTC
Nate21: The different companies that join a open format means a great selection of products.
You have never seen press releases from Canon/Nikon saying they were welcoming other parties to join (and compete within) their own camera line. In comparison m43 (and NEX) is certainly an "open" format - even if it culminates from behind the scenes negotiations. Fujifilm made it clear they chose NOT to join.
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Posted on Jan 26, 2012 at 23:45:41 UTC
24MP on the Nex7, or the "legendary" 16MP sensor on the Nex5n. For landscape work from a tripod (with TSE lenses), pushing and pulling in post... maybe a dream come true.
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chris_j_l: Normally Sigma give a mount compatibility roadmap (eg Nikon, Sigma first, others later) with the announcement. All info on the Sigma site suggests it is Sigma SA only (oh for a K version)
"F2.8 will give identical DOF and low-light performance on APSC that M4/3 gets with 20mm F1.7. "
5mm and 1/2 a stop difference, still close
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Unlike Samsung or Nikon, Canon decided to go with 4:3 aspect ratio(#1) which is wrong in the era of wide screens, considering that most compact camera users make only landscape shots. Hopefully this sensor does not end up in a mirror-less interchangeable lens camera by Canon.
This heavy(#2) camera has no GPS receiver(#3) or automatic lens cover(#4), has small battery(#5) but it features rather useless viewfinder.
"A wider ratio (e.g. 3:2) would require an even bigger lens to cover the sensor..."
Not as long as your lens projects an image *circle* - maintaining AOV between aspect ratios is accomplished by swapping sensors (or building an oversized sensor, like the Panasonic GH series, and cropping).
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Henry M. Hertz: given that it cost 449 euro at amazon it better be good. :) for a few euros more i can get the latest and greatest mFT.. for less then 450 euro i can get the prior mFT generation.
sure mFT is bigger and not as compact ... but quality wise it beats the hell out of these P&S cameras.
your milage may vary.... but beside "compactness" these P&S don´t offer me anything that would let me choose them over mFT.
im not really buying into the mFT system. the mFT lenses are to expensive to have another full system beside my canon DSLRs. but with a good 14-42mm (or in that range) and a fast pancake, they replace my P&S cameras. i will never again buy a P&S camera.
@Josh152 >It's too big to really replace a compact P&S unless you just us a pancake lens which is silly when you can use a high end P&S that has almost as good image quality
The pancakes also offer DOF control, and low light flexibility across a range of focals that compact cameras can't match. My travel kit is the GF1 + 14/2.5, 20/1.7, 45/1.8, two of which fit in a small belt pouch while the other is mounted. That allows me to shoot portraits indoors with a kit that is pocket-able (collapsed), and shoot street with selective DOF when it matters. Image noise at equivalent ISO is only one part of the equation: slower zooms and lack of DOF control on the part of compacts will always insure EVIL system cameras a niche between shirt-pocket cameras and full-blown DSLRs.
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WalterPaisley: I dunno...all web-based images seem to me to have the same quality. Nice shots but none that warrant digital MF investment. These could have come from almost any slr. BTW, I still own & use a Mamiya M645.
>The level of detail is an order of magnitude above every DSLR available for comparison in the tool.
'Order of magnitude'...? Hyperbole much?
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Posted on Nov 17, 2011 at 23:53:51 UTC
frosti7: Video typo: Panasonic 14-140 lens is F4, not F4.5!
P.S thank you so much for showing those lens next to each other, it seems that they virtually the same size, even thou the panasonic is a tad faster and covers larger sensor, good job nikon, i can see choice of smaller sensor is being paid off, sigh
"Massive correction for vignetting" no "However it makes raw shooting pointless." no
You clearly want to bash m43... fine, but at least get your facts right.
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Posted on Oct 23, 2011 at 23:42:21 UTC
Steve oliphant: Wow finally ,they get it, I would love to see anyone post real faxes on the resolving ability on any 35mm lens .I think the very best Canon or Nikon lens will resolve 119 line per mm ,so about 10 mp ,if you want to interpolate use photoshop, it will do a great job.Im a Canon user and I was about to go to Nikon because they make better cents at 12mp, good on ya Nikon ...
>I think the very best Canon or Nikon lens will resolve 119 line per mm ,so about 10 mp
I hope I am reading this wrong. The 24TSEII (to pick an example) resolves over 45MP worth over the FF image circle. How do I know? Stitching with my 18MP APS-C camera lets me see some of the FF potential, and this is still sharp at the pixel level. Telephoto lenses are better still...
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Poss: A major manufacturer finally makes an appropriate "lower" MP sized full frame sensor camera with improvements where it counts the most (DR, ISO, AF)
You know... the kind of camera the silent majority of working pros will buy and the vocal minority of people, who'll never actually get one, will endlessly cry about.
Bravo Canon!
It only took what... 5-6 years since Canon's last great FF pro body?
>A major manufacturer finally makes an appropriate "lower" MP sized full frame sensor camera with improvements where it counts the most (DR, ISO, AF)
I guess Nikon - for the last four years - didn't count?
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Posted on Oct 18, 2011 at 23:59:08 UTC
inframan wrote: > Great catch, man, but you have an advantage, admit it, you live in the visual capital of the world, (well, maybe France is a contender but the frenchies don't seem to favor dpr much ;)).
The other advantage was sitting in the second row of the regional tournament with two memory cards, a full battery, and six hours of action to pick my spot ;)
Rebun , Japan
marianco: A Leica Man can easily afford both the Leica and the Nikon D800e. Thus, there is no need for compromise.
If you can't afford it, get second job.
Then use the free time between your two jobs to take Leica "street" pictures inside your commuting bus.
Brosazak: Nikon's finally catching up two years later, with it's own version of the Canon Rebel T2i.
24.2 MP is quite a lot though. Get ready for large RAW/JPEG files!
I consider the 16MP cameras "caught up" enough, this is finally surpassing the Canon entry level camera pixel total... which is the first time in memory (going back to the 300D era). Now they have top spots in both FF and APS-C.
Nate21: The different companies that join a open format means a great selection of products.
You have never seen press releases from Canon/Nikon saying they were welcoming other parties to join (and compete within) their own camera line. In comparison m43 (and NEX) is certainly an "open" format - even if it culminates from behind the scenes negotiations. Fujifilm made it clear they chose NOT to join.
24MP on the Nex7, or the "legendary" 16MP sensor on the Nex5n. For landscape work from a tripod (with TSE lenses), pushing and pulling in post... maybe a dream come true.
chris_j_l: Normally Sigma give a mount compatibility roadmap (eg Nikon, Sigma first, others later) with the announcement. All info on the Sigma site suggests it is Sigma SA only (oh for a K version)
"F2.8 will give identical DOF and low-light performance on APSC that M4/3 gets with 20mm F1.7. "
5mm and 1/2 a stop difference, still close
Xentrax: I could find only 5 flaws in the camera:
Unlike Samsung or Nikon, Canon decided to go with 4:3 aspect ratio(#1) which is wrong in the era of wide screens, considering that most compact camera users make only landscape shots. Hopefully this sensor does not end up in a mirror-less interchangeable lens camera by Canon.
This heavy(#2) camera has no GPS receiver(#3) or automatic lens cover(#4), has small battery(#5) but it features rather useless viewfinder.
"A wider ratio (e.g. 3:2) would require an even bigger lens to cover the sensor..."
Not as long as your lens projects an image *circle* - maintaining AOV between aspect ratios is accomplished by swapping sensors (or building an oversized sensor, like the Panasonic GH series, and cropping).
Henry M. Hertz: given that it cost 449 euro at amazon it better be good. :)
for a few euros more i can get the latest and greatest mFT.. for less then 450 euro i can get the prior mFT generation.
sure mFT is bigger and not as compact ... but quality wise it beats the hell out of these P&S cameras.
your milage may vary.... but beside "compactness" these P&S don´t offer me anything that would let me choose them over mFT.
im not really buying into the mFT system.
the mFT lenses are to expensive to have another full system beside my canon DSLRs. but with a good 14-42mm (or in that range) and a fast pancake, they replace my P&S cameras.
i will never again buy a P&S camera.
@Josh152
>It's too big to really replace a compact P&S unless you just us a pancake lens which is silly when you can use a high end P&S that has almost as good image quality
The pancakes also offer DOF control, and low light flexibility across a range of focals that compact cameras can't match. My travel kit is the GF1 + 14/2.5, 20/1.7, 45/1.8, two of which fit in a small belt pouch while the other is mounted. That allows me to shoot portraits indoors with a kit that is pocket-able (collapsed), and shoot street with selective DOF when it matters. Image noise at equivalent ISO is only one part of the equation: slower zooms and lack of DOF control on the part of compacts will always insure EVIL system cameras a niche between shirt-pocket cameras and full-blown DSLRs.
WalterPaisley: I dunno...all web-based images seem to me to have the same quality. Nice shots but none that warrant digital MF investment. These could have come from almost any slr. BTW, I still own & use a Mamiya M645.
>The level of detail is an order of magnitude above every DSLR available for comparison in the tool.
'Order of magnitude'...? Hyperbole much?
frosti7: Video typo:
Panasonic 14-140 lens is F4, not F4.5!
P.S thank you so much for showing those lens next to each other, it seems that they virtually the same size, even thou the panasonic is a tad faster and covers larger sensor,
good job nikon, i can see choice of smaller sensor is being paid off, sigh
"Massive correction for vignetting" no
"However it makes raw shooting pointless." no
You clearly want to bash m43... fine, but at least get your facts right.
Steve oliphant: Wow finally ,they get it, I would love to see anyone post real faxes on the resolving ability on any 35mm lens .I think the very best Canon or Nikon lens will resolve 119 line per mm ,so about 10 mp ,if you want to interpolate use photoshop, it will do a great job.Im a Canon user and I was about to go to Nikon because they make better cents at 12mp, good on ya Nikon ...
>I think the very best Canon or Nikon lens will resolve 119 line per mm ,so about 10 mp
I hope I am reading this wrong. The 24TSEII (to pick an example) resolves over 45MP worth over the FF image circle. How do I know? Stitching with my 18MP APS-C camera lets me see some of the FF potential, and this is still sharp at the pixel level. Telephoto lenses are better still...
Poss: A major manufacturer finally makes an appropriate "lower" MP sized full frame sensor camera with improvements where it counts the most (DR, ISO, AF)
You know... the kind of camera the silent majority of working pros will buy and the vocal minority of people, who'll never actually get one, will endlessly cry about.
Bravo Canon!
It only took what... 5-6 years since Canon's last great FF pro body?
>A major manufacturer finally makes an appropriate "lower" MP sized full frame sensor camera with improvements where it counts the most (DR, ISO, AF)
I guess Nikon - for the last four years - didn't count?
slncezgsi: FINALY a zoom lens that actually fits the size of the body. Let's see whether folks will start to complain about the f/3.5-f/5.6 :)
Kudos to Olympus. Let's hope for a decent optical performance.
I am sure that NEX will follow at some point. I mean - I hope.
> Let's see whether folks will start to complain about the f/3.5-f/5.6 :)
I see you haven't been following the threads on the m43 forum...
inframan wrote:
> Great catch, man, but you have an advantage, admit it, you live in the visual capital of the world, (well, maybe France is a contender but the frenchies don't seem to favor dpr much ;)).
The other advantage was sitting in the second row of the regional tournament with two memory cards, a full battery, and six hours of action to pick my spot ;)
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よしよし、今日も生きのいい魂が手に入ったな
but so many have seen the dome, and from so many angles, I don't even know what it would take to place highly in such a challenge.
But from a strict rule-sense, its the closest I have (outside of pictures of my old apartment ;)) to qualifying...
http://techhouse.brown.edu/~chris/japan/pics/2009/01/jpegs/2009.01.09_KssN_11230.jpg
http://techhouse.brown.edu/~chris/japan/pics/2009/01/jpegs/2009.01.09_KssN_11238.jpg
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よしよし、今日も生きのいい魂が手に入ったな