TyphoonTW: 70-300mm F4.5 – 5.6 = $1,200 Is Sony slowly trying to compete with Leica?
"Why are we comparing this to Canon's L lens? Just because it has the letter G ?"
shigzeo: In contrast to anachronistic cameras from Fujifilm, Olympus, and even Nikon, this is refreshingly forward-looking. And unlike Sony, it isn't festooned with badges. Is it pretty? I'm not sure, but it is attractive. Well done.
I assumed by "badges" you meant features, because looking at my A7R there are only 2 badges on it which hardly seems excessive... as for the number icons, I turned those off as soon as I got the camera....
Thematic: Fantastic releases.
Depending on where the prices settle, these models with a nice ART series lens should make for a compelling combo.
Macro, comercial, still life, landscape, travel, portrait, documentary, fine art etc.
You mean... macro (in really good light/studio), commercial (in a studio), still life (with a tripod), landscape (in good light), travel (in good light), portrait (in a studio), documentary (in really good light), fine art (in good light).
Horshack: For those unfamiliar with what the Foveon is capable of, here is a full-sized sample from my DP2M. The shooting envelop is rather narrow in terms of color temperature and ISO but as a portable landscape camera it's extremely impressive.
There's a LOT of processing going in in DPP (the results from Sigma cameras with Irident Developer don't look anywhere near as good). If you replicate this processing you can get the same level of detail and "pop" with a high-res non-foveon sensor, but you'll also be able to take photos in low light!
> unlike Sony, it isn't festooned with badges
Yes, thank God they didn't put a full frame sensor or image stabilisation in there!
KrisAK: My Canon AE-1 35mm SLR has a massive optical viewfinder...the biggest I've ever used. And yet, dimensionally, it's only a few millimeters wider than an A7 series camera, and actually a bit thinner. With a 28mm FD lens, it's remarkably portable.
At what point in digital camera history did FF DSLRs feel the need to bloat into their current form?
Why can't there be a digital AE-1?
There's a heck of a lot more in a DSLR than a film SLR, circuit boards, batteries, large AF units, LCD screen, card slots, USB/hdmi ports. All that stuff has to go somewhere. Look at a teardown of a DSLR, it isn't just empty space in there (well except for the mirrorbox).
Clyde Thomas: Love these specialty efforts. In a day when some manufacturers are pulling out of entire markets because of downward predictions, Pentax/Leica move ahead with specialty/luxury gear for extremely limited markets.
I mean, did Pentax conduct a trend report concluding that MF IR cams were going to be the next big seller? Kudos to Pentax for making photographers their first priority. This is great news for our industry and strengthens my entire perception of Pentax all around.
"I mean, did Pentax conduct a trend report concluding that MF IR cams were going to be the next big seller?"
Yes I imagine Pentax did some research into use of MF for scientific and conservation purposes that revealed there is a small demand for MF cameras that can shoot in the IR spectrum, at a price that covers the additional cost associated with manufacturing these camera. It's called business.
armandino: I knew this one was going to be trouble. It is virtually impossible pic one camera out of the bunch without a clear mandate of what you are looking for. These cameras are so wildly different that are pretty impossible to compare. Even the price range is so broad. I think It should have been more of what to recommend each of them for. Personally I do have an A7RII and for as much as I love it and it is amazing what you can do with it, it could not possibly be my only body because just not reliable enough. I am sure that of enthusiasts it is perfectly fine, but for a pro some of its glitches are just infuriating and at times cause of missing the critical shot.
"It is virtually impossible pic one camera out of the bunch without a clear mandate of what you are looking for."
That's why you have to take the award for what it is and not get too upset about it. DPReview aren't saying this is the best camera in absolutely every area, they're just giving out a awards to cameras they think are the best overall. It's just like many other such awards, Time magazine's man of the year for example. Of course it's subjective.
Zeisschen: You know your company has done a tremendous job when you read so many butthurt comments on dpreview section...
Kudos to Sony for being the biggest and most constant challenger and innovator in the camera market since 5 years! The camera world would be boring without you!
If by "ignored" you mean "issued a firmware release to fix", then yeah.
forpetessake: Sony might have made the most technical advances. But in the end of the day it's the pictures that matter. And honestly looking at all those samples it's hard to deny the two Canons the most pleasing colors and tonality, far better than Sony.
Lets see do I want warmer colours out of camera which can be achieved in Lightroom in 2 seconds, or two stops of dynamic range that absolutely can't be replicated in post... tough one.
Felix E Klee: Couldn't this tech be used to get shallow DOF with a smartphone?
Actually you could use this to build a depth map using DFD and then compute a simulated lens blur using that, allowing an arbitrarily shallow depth of field (with any lens with shallow enough DOF to build an accurate depth map).
GaryJP: So "post focus" basically means taking a still frame from a video focus pull.
It's more that just that, the software analyses each video frame to automatically detect the in-focus areas so you can select a point and it will give you the frame with that point in focus.
bernardly: There are 2 possibilities. This post-focus technology might be synthetic computational in nature. However, Panasonic cameras are conventional in that the lens focuses the image on the sensor plane at one focal distance at a given time of exposure and records only the intensity and not the direction of the light. If so it might be an interesting gimmick but not much more than that. The other and more likely possibilty is that the camera racks focus at 30 fps but that would not necessarily capture the desired moment. I would prefer the 2nd possibilty and I admit it would be an attractive consumer feature but the tradeoff is giving up the full resolution of the sensor. Another question is would the feature be available in RAW mode? That is 30 fps 4K RAW shooting.
There is one possibility - the article explains quite clearly exactly how the new feature works (did you even read it?): the camera records a 4K video whilst racking focus. It then analyses the images to detect what is and isn't in focus so you can select a point and it will figure out which video frame had that point in focus.
First there was the D1, then the D2. After that came the D3. In 2012 they gave us the D4. And now we hear they are working on a D5. I'm definitely seeing a pattern here!
The thing about mirrorless cameras is they are not DSLRs. You have to do things slightly differently and you have to learn some new techniques, you can't just pick it up as if it's a DSLR and expect to be able to get the same results right away.
This is something reviewers often miss, they don't have the time to learn to use a particular camera. A perfect example of this is the complaints over cluttered EVFs, every camera I've seen has a way of turning that off.
Another one is ergonomics. After using an A7R for less than a year DSLRs now feel like they have poor ergonomics.
fatdeeman: Now that face detect has become so advanced that cameras can learn faces and detect eyes relentlessly I often think it would be useful if you could provide a camera with samples of a certain face or an animal or car number plate or basically any object that the camera could then use as a basis for focus selection.
You would put your chosen image or images on the card then through the camera menu select those images to be added to the cameras recognition database. You could teach the camera to track a specific face or animal or any kind of distinct pattern or object like a racing driver/riders helmet.
I think that kind of thing could be a very useful feature in the future. Allowing you to concentrate entirely on composition.
"Now that face detect has become so advanced that cameras can learn faces and detect eyes relentlessly I often think it would be useful if you could provide a camera with samples of a certain face"
You mean like the face registration system that all the new Sony mirrorless cameras have? Yes it is indeed very useful.
They also have object recognition as part of the AF tracking - if the subject leaves the frame the camera will recognise it and pick it back up if it re-enters the frame!
WGVanDyck: Please understand that I am not anti-Leica. They have produced some of the best glass in the industry and some marvelous film cameras. I would love to see them succeed in the digital field, but they are not. Look at the comparisons above, the Leica SL begins running into trouble at ISOs as low as 800. Are these result indicative of a camera and lens you want to spend $12400 on when you can buy a camera that produces so much better images for less than 1/3 the price? And, the other manufacturers don't charge you $255 for a lens hood! Leica is entering the realm of the absurd.
I'd pay $12400 for a camera that didn't shoot JPEGs at all, but that's just me...
Anyway the JPEG output isn't bad though, the files are just noisy whilst the other manufacturers (particularly Sony) are applying noise reduction to their JPEGs which to me makes them look worse.
What's making the samples look bad is the lens.
oventurini: finally they made it: the first ugly Leica
I've confused nothing, you've confused ugliness with ergonomics. How ugly something is has nothing to do with how it handles.
@WildLight Which results are "diabolically bad"? Can you point them out?
The standard studio scene results certainly aren't (provided you select the RAW option). If you're talking about the RAW dynamic range tests on page 3 then throw a Canon 1DX in the mix, and then ask "how can Canon put that out with that price"...
If you have to handle something to tell what it looks like then maybe photography isn't for you...