might it be the fact that everybody who normally upgrades is now holding back? New Coke Syndrome indeed
Photoshop world must be a sad place this year.
I have purchased every upgrade Photoshop ever put out. I use it daily.But I'm old fashioned: I'm looking for a product, not a service. So I'm looking elsewhere.
After reading these comments, I remember why camera geeks should play with their cameras, shoot test patterns and leave real the image making to artists.
Raincheck: It's been pointed out repeatedly that Photoshop is not the only option. Those who don't like Adobe's market plan should go to another option. Freedom of choice and free market always makes that possible.
I personally enjoy the Creative Cloud method; it keeps my investment into these miraculous programs at a manageable price instead of forking out a fistful of dollars when I want to upgrade or buy something new.
But getting back to looking at this as a market and funding strategy, I think Adobe probably knows very well what it needs to do to continue to bring mind-blowing magic wands and put them into Photographers hands. The useful and miraculous tools that this Corporation have created were fantasies just 15 years ago, and each release brings something new of the same caliber. $19 a month is a bargain for magic wands. And if anyone cannot find a way to earn back $19 a month given the use of magic, perhaps they don't really need Photoshop.
Not every update is worthwhile or usefull to everybody. But now you have no choice.
I understand the corporate world will be given the option to stay with cs6 indefinitely, and will sell them additional perpetual licenses if needed. The corp acct will also have a master IT account and transferable sub accounts. I've been wondering how they'd deal with this
nah, I'll pass
I'm sure my work will upgrade at some point but like most in the corporate world, they'll want to check it out for compatibility before rolling it out.
It'll be interesting to see how the corp world gets treated vs the individual.I'm betting our next Photoshop buy will be for 40 licences vs 400+ users with Photoshop access now.
All the creative directors, illustrators, designers, and photographers that I work with are discussing how to move away from Photoshop so they can protect their assets WITHOUT having to be tied to a service that they can't control.
More and more I hear this: Give me a product, not a service.
Bill Buchanan: Photoshop CC with Camera Shake? Sounds like Adobe Shakedown.
I’m furious about Adobe’s decision not to offer Photoshop as a boxed software and make it subscription only.
I am 72 years old and live on a fixed and declining income. I have been a loyal user of Photoshop since 1995 when I purchased my first computer. I faithfully bought every upgrade by saving my quarters and popping for the upgrade every 18 months.
I hope enough Photoshop users worldwide get PO'd over their greedy decision. This is truly a sad day for amateur photographers. The Crack Dealer has just changed the rules.
personally I think Adobe has shot themselves in the foot. All the designers/creative directors/photographers I work with are talking about where they can turn to protect their assets without paying Adobe .
Money is NOT the issue. It's the future lack of control and being forced to upgrade when there's no need.
Peter K Burian: Scott Kelby's perspective on all this. http://scottkelby.com/2013/my-take-on-adobes-announcements-yesterday-at-the-max-conference/
Amazingly, he thinks it's a good idea .. because Adobe will provide new features as they are developed, so no need to wait until a future version of Photoshop is introduced.
Actually, bad idea. VERY bad.
there's a reason the corporate world waits awhile before rolling out newer versions of software to the users.
Now Adobe will have the biggest pool of beta testers the world has ever seen. Good luck, Adobe cloud users. It'll be interesting when new 'improvements' clash with something you've used for years.
Walter: The reality is if you want a stand alone product CS6 is more than most people need. If you want cutting edge technology as fast as it happens ( believe me the old ways of working are almost finished) then CC is going to be great. No- brainer for CS3 and above users...$9.00/month is about what an upgrade cost every 18-24 month. Now we won't have to wait...If you are making money from photography the cost is negligible. If you are not then be happy with CS6 or one of the other programs that will flood the market to fill the gap. So much hysteria... :)
or $30 usa a month for the Suite, which most designers would purchase. $360 a year is fine if you are freelance, can write it off and are making money.
But you don't get to skip upgrades anymore. I'm on cs5 at home/cs6 at work. There really is no need to upgrade to cs6 - cs5 can make you just as much money. So many don't do the incremental upgrades. Now you won't have that choice - you will pay for the upgrade whether you want it or not.
so who is going to purchase/upgrade to cs6 now? Anybody?
I'm thinking of upgrading from cs5 at home. I currently use cs6 Creative Suite at work/cs5 at home. I haven't seen the NEED to upgrade my personal software, as I'm doing less freelance these days vs corporate-world work on company-provided PC/software.
The change isn't that great, but I'm thinking that by upgrading for $275 USA I can avoid the cloud-world for 2-3 years.
Cermet: A medium term irritation is that I have a (legit !) copy of CS6 Suite yet Adobe are offering a "reduced price for 12 months" for a product I already own.There is no certainty of pricing for CS7.A year ago 80% of my images were processed entirely in LR but I am using PS more now than ever before. That stops now ! I have pretty much decided that I won't be upgrading to PS 7 and certainly will not commit to a subscription model.(I had been hoping that LR would become available for Android as Microsoft have also managed to screw things up so thoroughly with Windows 8 that I would like to give up on Windows also. How do these iconic companies get so out of touch with the customers who provided them with such comfortable profits for so long ?
I don't think there will be a PS7 - it's moving to cloud-based thang. Maybe they will call it 7...
Mahmoud Mousef: A quick look suggests Adobe are winning.http://www.adobe.com/investor-relations/financial-documents.html
it's called PR
I want a PRODUCT, not a SERVICE.
I'll be shopping around.
HubertChen: Here is a very good Article about facts on Adobe Photoshop Cloud which is missing entirely in the discussions here: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/adobe_cc.shtml. And for those who just want to rant there is a good cartoon and a link on a very dark satire on youtube.
I see nothing positive about this move. I'm on Adobe products every day, all day, right now. BUT for my home photo and design work, I doubt I will move from v5 to the cloud until it's absolutely necessary. And even then, there will hopefully be a PRODUCT I can buy rather than a SERVICE I need to subscribe to.
I've invested years of time in Adobe products, and bought them time after time. But I will bet there's a new PRODUCT out soon from another company that will fullfill my needs. I'll begin looking.
I've got two words for Adobe (no, not those two...):
Can anybody say "New Coke"?
Does anybody remember it?
tonywong: Industry people will have to migrate to this eventually as more features get put into the files so designers and photographers will be able to work on files they get from CC.
The biggest problem with this subscription implementation is that CC will not even allow you to open or print any file once the subscription has lapsed. If Adobe were to allow a way to open/view/export (limited) regardless of subscription status it would go a long way towards alleviating concerns.
After that is the price, but Adobe products have never been cheap, and it was hard to 'skip' a version if you were always working with other studios and designers giving you more recent Adobe files.
I was freelance for years, but now I'm in the corporate world. Not a huge company (6000+ throughout the world). I will bet money that when the corporate licenses need to be renewed, less than half of the people who now have the full design suite will get it. InDesign, yes. Photoshop? very few - maybe 300.
I'd sell that stock fast.
I bet industry people WILL migrate, but I will bet real money that the number of subscriptions they get will be significantly lower than the number of products they previously bought.
I don't want another service that I have to spend time (and $$) updating and resubscribing and etc etc.
I want a PRODUCT that I load and forget. And use every day, 365 days a year. Which I've been doing since Quark XPress was the big man on campus.
If it's not going to be Adobe, I'll find something else.
MrArt: This kind of sweeping change always produces great fervor. It was inevitable that they would be trying this. We should have all saw this coming a year ago. The fact is there are a lot of pluses to this kind of thing. Sadly, there are also a lot of minuses too. Some of the pluses are that you would always have the latest version. That is a huge plus in my book. Another is you wont have to burn back-ups to DVD anymore. You should be able to reload/access the software anytime. Some of the minuses are pricing (that is a huge one). I know I can't afford $600.00 a year for one seat. Which brings me to another possible minus. What happens to the allowance of putting a single license on two machines (generally a home base and a laptop)?
The fact is the Apple App Store works in a very similar way and they have had success with it. They also have pretty fairly priced apps. Whether we like it or not I really believe that this will be the way of the future.
I think Adobe will see a DRASTIC cut in biz 'subscriptions', which will force them to either go back to 'product' instead of 'service' or, more likely, they will split into 'consumer=product' and 'biz=service'.
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