Davidgilmour: I will never ever buy canon stuff again
I never did!
wildkat2: Quiet but not so quiet that Pentax could be heard over the Canikon din. God forbid DPR said anything about Pentax…….
Whats to report on? 30 new colours and LED lighting?
Jogger: A fullframe Fuji X would be a Leica killer.
These are two completely different markets. While the performance of the Fuji is excellent, it simply lacks the exclusive image of Leica Edition 60 which can charge enormous amounts for their exotics like the Edition 60 ($18k). Leica are about projecting your personal image through the association with the brand. Historically, Fuji has been about an affordable Japanese made camera.
Hows that? :)
The Corvette Z06 is a hell of a car but it hasn't even put a dent in Ferrari or Porsche sales
On mirrorless:"What has changed? Why are you more serious now than in previous years?
We’ve actually been serious about it since the very beginning"
Seeing how the EOS-M turned out, that's rather scary!
mgatov: For about the same price, you can get the Sony RX-1 which is FF. They are about the same size.
Its all relative; you either buy into the Leica mythos or you don't. I'd love to have an M and glass however I'd also have to add in the cost of a divorce :)
Petrogel: What is really amazing, is that we haven't seen any "in depth" review from Dpreview personnel of any of the Leica's latest products. Either Leica is paying a Lot for it (not to review) or the "personnel" have nothing to compare this overpriced crap with.
Either-way this is an overpriced crap.
Leica may be over priced but it certainly isn't crap.
Thats kinda like the Corolla drivers calling Porsche "over priced crap".
ManuelVilardeMacedo: Not the stupid "increases maximum aperture" BS again!As DPR stated earlier, "since we’re then going to mount it on an APS-C camera, we have to multiply these numbers [focal length and the supposed maximum aperture given by the speed booster] by the camera's 'crop factor' if we want to compare this lens-plus-adapter combination to a full frame camera." So if you have an f/1.4 lens on APS-C with the Mentalbones,your purported f/1 lens-adapter combo is actually f/1.5 - slightly worse than the original. And that is if you are Yabokkie and accept that there is an 'aperture equivalence' (there isn't). Snake oil, that's what I call it. And why does everybody go field of view this and aperture that and nobody seems to spare a thought about image quality? Shouldn't that matter? This thing induces horrible amounts of chromatic aberration and vignetting.The price? Don't even get me started...
@Manuel; actually maybe you could just read enough to understand what you are actually talking about before making absurd claims? That may be a good start.
Peiasdf: Wow, for the price of these adapter, might as well pick up an extra Rebel SL1 when you want to shoot Canon lenses.
Thanks Archiver; not sure why that concept seems to be totally lost on some people.
Guess you've never used a higher end m43 body
Monkey posted that he's switching to m43 anyway... :D
citizenlouie: CC is fine for professionals who can expense their subscription fee. For vast majority of photographers who upgrade their cameras every two years, and Lightroom's current price at $80, the max a person would shell out for an annual subscription of CC is $40. For people like me who can only afford to upgrade the camera around 5 years, the CC is only valued at $16/year, not the $99/year Adobe is charging.
This means most people would either stop upgrading to newer cameras that Lightroom 5 can no longer support or stop using Lightroom all together. It looks like I would be using my current cameras until they break. This move would indirectly slow the camera sales by a bit, and probably start making people with new cameras more likely to accept out-of-camera JPEGs, instead of processing RAWs using a software.
@ W5JCK - simple solution... dont subscribe! You'll happily drop $2k every 2yrs on a new body but $240 for the same 2years on the best editing software out there is a ripoff... rich! And no... no drama in your post at all!
Samuel Dilworth: Paving the path to subscription-only Lightroom, as feared …
I long for the old days of selling something the customer wants at a fair price. Why is this model so untenable?
@skytripper - "Extortion (also called shakedown, outwresting, and exaction) is a criminal offense of obtaining money, property, or services from a person, entity, or institution, through coercion."Adobe holding a gun to your head to use CC? Threatened violence to you or yours? Yeah, didn't think so... exaggerate much?
Kim Letkeman: One question: Does LR CC change the database in any way to make it incompatible with LR 5? Because that would completely blow their concession out of the water ...
Edit: It seems like there will be a perpetual license upgrade to LR 6 at some point. One supposes that it would be acceptable to try LR CC for a year or two and then drop back to perpetual license version, even if forced to upgrade to maintain compatibility. But since Adobe have a poor backward compatibility record, this remains a point of concern.
No Kim it does not change the db at all between 5.5 and CC
PS CS6 is still available as a stand alone product for all the conspiracy theorists out there. Amazon even has it on a special conspiracy pricing as well...http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Photoshop-CS6-Old-Version/dp/B007R0RKV8
Photo Pete: If the Adobe business model is successful how long will it be before Apple and Microsoft go the same way with their operating systems?
How robust are Adobe? Even the largest companies can fold (remember Kodak?). If Adobe fail as a company what will happen to your ability to use the software after the first failed attempt to log into the Adobe servers? What will happen to your 20Gb of Cloud storage?
Why should a hobbyist have to pay to have the latest features they don't need and why would a professional place their work entirely in the hands of another company over which they have no control?
The business model stinks and the more people that refuse to engage with it the better. Low price offers are a good sign. It is an indication that insufficient users are renting to make the scheme profitable enough.
@ quiquaeLR Cat will not become unreadable if CC is discontinued as LR is still a standalone product and a lot (me included) have LR5.X as a stand alone product already.
PS files that I back up? RAW, JPG and TIF - pretty much readable by any editing product out there. Adobe(CC) stops working - DL a copy of CS6 and you have access to all your PSDs.
Do you seriously think Adobe is going anywhere? Personally, I really couldn't care less what you use; I'm happy with CC as for me, its a lot cheaper and easier than buying full blown LR/PS and doing upgrades every version.
Prognathous: The only thing you need to know: the $10 photography bundle is a trap.
Quote from Adobe's membership contract:
"The price of your one-year commitment (as reflected in the monthly installment amounts) may change for your next annual renewal, and we’ll provide you notice of a change by email"
In short, nothing but a teaser price. Get ready to pay through the nose as soon as you've created enough project files and can't properly open them by anything else. Good luck being Adobe's hostage.
@ Mark Alan Thomas...Yep, all of us who subscribe are "suckers, apologists and self loathing". So typical of the average DPR user that it always end up in insulting those you dont agree with.
Go use Gimp or whatever app you love and I'll continue to use LR/PS.
What happens if your cable provider goes out of business? Your cell phone company? Your car company? Your bank? Look, no one is forcing you to use Adobe, there are lots of free options and paid option; use one of them and quit stressing over Adobe.
There actually are people who prefer this method of software delivery. If Adobe goes under, who cares? I back up all my files, I have no brand loyalty and I use whatever fits my workflow.
Perpetually licensed software... and what do you do when you buy a new body? Continue forever shooting jpg's or upgrade to the "latest" PS and/or LR?
I love how people come to DPR to complain about $10/month to Adobe and yet have no issue shelling out thousands of $ in a scramble to buy the latest and greatest body.
Name me something that doesn't go up? Oh wait a min... everything is a trap! <sigh>