Alternative Energy Photography: I think it's too risky to buy Lightroom, even if it was on sale for half off.
Too risky in the way of me being 'locked in' with too many photos in LR and/or PS, and then not being able to afford the monthly fee one day. So I have to ask myself: Is Adobe more likely or less likely to go subscription with LR?
And based on past history of Adobe, the answer is always "more likely". That's all it takes. I'm out, man!
Recently read an article that said that Adobe's $9.99 subscriptions are cannibalizing their $49.99 subscriptions. So again, I have to ask myself: is Adobe more likely to lower the price of the $49.99 monthly plan, or more likely to RAISE the price of the $9.99 plan?
Again based on past history of Adobe, my answer is "more likely to raise ALL of their prices!" Okay, that wasn't a choice. But it's my answer. Again, I'm out!
Don't see how using LR locks you into anything. LR editing is completely non destructive; if you are worried about losing all your edits its simply a matter of doing an export into whatever format you want.
And actually if you look at PS from a cost perspective (and you do regular updates), LR/PS has never been cheaper. Considering how much most people on here spend on photo equipment, $10/month is pretty cheap. I used to spend a lot more than that per month on chemicals/paper.
But of course your mind is made up so limit yourself to whatever works.
String: Its the reality of the world we live in; I watched my father (a carpenter) become redundant because they could hire kids out of school to frame a house for a lot less than paying a real carpenter. He would always laugh when people would say "what kind of carpenter are you, framing, furniture, etc". He would just reply "either you are a carpenter or you're not". He used to get rather upset when the "framing carpenter" couldn't even hang a door let alone build a piece of furniture!And that was 20 years ago... I guess the pro photog's should be thankful its lasted this long.
Lol, as does mine!
Its the reality of the world we live in; I watched my father (a carpenter) become redundant because they could hire kids out of school to frame a house for a lot less than paying a real carpenter. He would always laugh when people would say "what kind of carpenter are you, framing, furniture, etc". He would just reply "either you are a carpenter or you're not". He used to get rather upset when the "framing carpenter" couldn't even hang a door let alone build a piece of furniture!And that was 20 years ago... I guess the pro photog's should be thankful its lasted this long.
Kim Letkeman: Anyone who is running the latest versions of LR on a 32 bit machine it probably a masochist. Limited memory, limited bandwidth ... nothing is good about that combination. So Adobe is dead right to make 32 bit system obsolete. Heck, when was the last time you saw a 32 bit system for sale (that wasn't one of those crap brands created for suckers.)
What's really funny is a 9yr old can find stuff (and understand it) on the Adobe site that you can't... maybe you can get one of your kids to figure it all out for you?
Only 9, but thanks for asking!
Ah but Kim, then they wouldn't be able to come on here and whine constantly that it is slow on their 10 year old system. Certainly can't have that now! :D
ManuelVilardeMacedo: I tried Lightroom 5.7 last week. Adobe's website would only make the trial version available as part of CC, so I doubt new version 6 will be sold as a standalone application.Apparently Adobe succeded in dragging every Lr user to CC, despite it being outrageously expensive. You paid less for the standalone programme even if you updated it every year. I knew this would happen.As for the 5.7v I tried, it is exactly the same as Lr4, which I tried some three years ago, save for some presentation details. Lr6 will undoubtedly have some fancy features added, but I have no reason to believe it will bring any real improvement over previous versions.
@ ManuelVilardeMacedo Not really sure what the problem is with the complaining about a CC subscription... LR is available as a standalone product and according to Adobe, will be for the foreseeable future.
LR is still available as a standalone product. As far as being outrageously expensive... PS/LR is $120/yr... how in your world is that more expensive than upgrading standalone products every year?Like seriously, do people just make stuff up to B^$#& about on here?
Suave: So, even slower and more resource hungry?
"you'll need a new "decent system" for every new LR version since 4"
Get a decent system?
marc petzold: What keeps me away from LT for ages: That damn catalogue everything thing, and then it's way sluggish from operation & behaviour, Adobe should really speed things up.
@ marc petzoldSorry, but knocking a current piece of software because its slow on a processor from 2008... need I say more?
Wow, typical DPR reader comment.
Marty4650: I think it's time to stop blaming Nikon for their bad behavior in the D600 fiasco, and start praising them for at least learning something from their past mistakes.
Nikon finally got it, and now they are doing things right.
Some companies never get it.
After seeing their fast response to the D750 problem, I have MORE faith in them, and not less.... I wouldn't hesitate to buy one of their products based on this.
First off, I never said Nikons response was bad, I was linking to Thom (Hogans) article which I agreed with. I still feel that Nikons customer service has a long way to go. Was this a step in the right direction; of course it was.
I was referring to the general photography population that frequents the major sites. With Nikons product problems over the last few releases, they HAVE to come clean quickly or their reputation will continue to suffer.
While I shot Nikon for years (film first, then digital) I no longer own any Nikon gear; all sold off as my major use these days is travel photography and Nikon (and Canon) has nothing small or light enough to meet my needs... not sure what that has to do with anything though. Am I not entitled to an opinion on a company's repair policy if I dont own their product?
I think they should just be honest with their customers instead of denial and then covering things up. If you try to do things quietly (pulling product off dealers shelves) you are only asking for the wrath of the community.
@ ecube... here is a link to the full article; I do think its a knee jerk reaction after the bad press on the D800/D600 issues. Looks like they tried to quietly make it go away... like that ever works these days.
Did they learn? A quote from Thom...
"What’s happening now is that Nikon is again caught in the trickle-out way of doing things, which leaves questions in user minds and makes some doubt Nikon’s integrity on these issues. The trickle has been: no response for several months; an initial response on December 24, 2014 (lost in the Christmas rush by most Nikon users) that the problem will be looked into; an update to the response on January 9, 2015 indicating Nikon will some indefinite time in the future fix the problem; and now another update a week later trying to avoid the use of the words “dealer recall” while essentially admitting to it. "
ecube: While I am not from Missouri, I like their motto: "Show Me".
Of those vilifying and defending Nikon, who HAS FIRST HAND knowledge. I have taken few shots with the D750 including against the light and did NOT get flare issue.
Please, do not quote nor provide links in support of either position.
As an aside, I HAD a D600 that I return to the dealer AFTER experiencing the sensor problem. I still have D90, D5100, and D800.
Well, I would suggest if Nikon is going as far as pulling all inventory from dealers in NA, its just might be a problem?
But then of course if you don't have the problem, no one is...
kdaphoto: Keyboard confidence reigns again. The assholes out there can't resist to get their rocks off showing how tough they are by bashing Nikon for actually dealing with a problem and learning from their past mistakes.
Civility has been lost, everything must be a fight, and bashing & trahing has replace decent behavior. Wonderful.
LOL, who's the one calling people "assholes"? Talk about a prime example of both keyboard confidence and lost civility.
Pot, meet kettle!
Well I guess its better that the D600/D800 fiasco... deny all problems and keep selling them.
Babka08: Sony FE and Fuji X both seem to be chasing Leica with their compact systems by offering mainly beefy, metal, expensive lenses. I think you have to look to E-mount or 4/3 for the cheap systems, folks. But Sony is also chasing video market. Who knows. But the choices seem endless, and filled with compromises. Pick and regret or pick and just go with it.
Okay, so lets pick the (arguably) most expensive lens available in the m43 format and use it as an example... well done!
How about I pick the ZEISS OTUS 85MM F1.4 LENS ZE CANON at $5k and say that FF is way overpriced? Oh and while we're at it, lets add a Canon 1D-X at $6.5K. That work for ya?