Thorgrem: The 400mm isn't a L type? And therefore lacks the red ring?
P.S. Canon said (about the new DO lens and flare):"The new DO takes a new approach, putting the paired DO elements close to the camera instead of at the outer end of the lens, Westfall said. The new approach fixes the flare problem and improves sharpness, too."
What I mostly notice is (i) lack of CA, it's spectacular for that, (ii) it's front heavy and (iii) the out-of-focus stuff has a particular look, I like it which is why I haven't sold the lens as I rarely use it, but when I think of selling I shoot a few shots and think "wow". Some people don't like it though. Flare is less good than some lenses (it's not awful or anything) but vignetting is better than almost all.
whyukon: For those complaining about the lack of 4K video, here's a thought. You can't take this to the bank, but it may be that the 7D II is fully capable, hardware-wise, of shooting 4K. The dual Digic 6 processors likely have some untapped potential. Think back to the features that Canon added, years later, to the original 7D via a firmware update. If not Canon, then maybe the Magic Lantern people will be able to implement 4K on the 7D Mark II.Of course, this is not something that one can count on, so if 4K is of high importance to you, then go ahead and buy a GH4, for example. It seems to me that Canon has clearly designed this camera for the pro and prosumer sports and wildlife stills shooter, and I'm confident that it will perform that role nicelyAll this said, I do wish that Canon could have included a touch screen interface. My assumption is that their priority was durability, and perhaps a touch screen may have been too much of a compromise in that area.
It's really a case of whether you can read all the pixels (in a 16:9 crop) out of the sensor at 24-25-30fps, or merge pixels on-sensor. If the hardware can't do that then you're going nowhere (well, you could possibly use the centre 8MP and a big crop factor).
Mssimo: This cameras has something called a weak link. It would be kick ass if it only had a 2011 class sensor on it (2014 would be nice but I know not to expect much). Samsung seems to have a BSI APC in the new NX1. Why cant canon give in and just outsource that sensor. Even panasonic is outsourcing sensors. (sony 1"). On the plus side, there are no cameras that really compete with the 7D at the moment. A77 does not have much of a lens selection and mirrorless is just getting into the pro sports category. Canon will sell lots of these but its hard to ignore mirrorless cameras like the EM-1 that shoots at 10fps and samsung at 14fps with full focus.
Canon make great sensors, their problem is digitising the data off-sensor throws away a chunk of the DR (example - 6D sensor has over 15.5 stops of DR, cameras has just over 12). However that's only an issue at low ISO, at higher ISO (where you probably care more) the off-chip conversion effect reduces away to pretty much nothing and they are as good as anybody.As they have a state-of-the-art sensor Fab (as well as the old one they make most of the current sensors on) they can presumably change approaches at some point, as their basic sensor tech is as good as or better than anybody. It's just a case of when. Will be interesting to see how much the "new" tag on this sensor means...
Roch974: Canon to put 5 years to exit this stew is the 7D2! In comparison a little see the characteristics of the Samsung NX1 (205 autofocus dot, 15 fps, video 4 k, wifi etc.) http://www.dpreview.com/previews/samsung-nx1
If you're counting on-sensor PDAF points you should compare the NX1's 205 with the 15,000,0000+ on the 7DmkII. Plus the 7DmkII ones can be used as part of the picture, you don't have to guess the data at those points.
(The NX1 is an interesting camera BTW, but it won't have anything like the 7DmkII AF tracking or be as focused on sports/action/wildlife use.)
westfalcon: For what this camera is missing, and it's very obvious, I have already found myself asking when the Mark III will be out. Seriously no wi-fi? No tilt screen? Seriously?
The target users are out in a field shooting 10fps and aiming the camera by hand - WiFi is little use to them as it's too slow for the volume of data and will eat the battery.
It's super-rugged, so they left off a fragile tilt/swivel LCD.
I suspect these things were also done to make the price as attractive as they could, as sales would be lowered if the price was higher for features the target customers didn't care about.
BTW it isn't a camera for me, I'm not the target audience. It's not a general purpose camera but a specialised one. (I also find WiFi and tilt/swivel LCDs useful for some of the shooting I do, not all but some.)
keeponkeepingon: Can someone give me a TLDR on how this compares to the sony A6000. Yeah I know the bodies don't compare for handling and EVF versus OVF but based on sheer rubber meets the road shooting specs?
I'm doing a quick snapsort and according to the (often prone to errors) spec list the A6000 has more AF points, faster burst speed and a larger viewfinder while the 7D Mk 2 is weather sealed, has a better lens selection an external mike input and ?????
The 7D mk II is a specialised wildlife/sports/action camera with probably the best AF out there and a super-rugged water-resistant body. It also has an extensive range of high quality telephoto lenses to bolt onto it. It will do AF tracking probably better than anything else available.
The A6000 is a nice consumer quality camera designed for general consumer use. The native lens range is quite limiting. It isn't tough.
Also the AF point count comparison you found is silly, as the A6000 only has on-sensor AF by a combination of some phase-detect pixels (which is the number you see) and contrast detect. The 7DmkII has an off-sensor tracking AF system, which is what your comparison counted AF points from, but also almost every pixel on the sensor is a phase-detect AF point, so if you're counting that way it has well over 15M AF points.
They really aren't competing in any way whatever.
RLJSlick: Love what I see so far! Look forward to the full review.
It doesn't look like there will be a high end Nikon DX camera ever again... They want to sell you FF. Also to compete it's need an improved version of the D4s' AF system, would they put that in DX?
This camera is by no means better than a GH4.
What a shame.
Canon is in hibernation. THAT should be the headline here !
I have a GH4, for its target uses it'll be a lot better, especially as it has access to a huge range of super high quality telephoto lenses. It's just a targeted camera, rather than a general purpose one (sports/wildlife/action).
Frederik Paul: Big dissapointment! Won't be No. 1 APS-C for five years as the 7D did, more or less. AF improvements are okay, but the rest? Why no touch LCD when having Dual Pixel AF? Will the sensor finally be much better than the previous generation, giving less noise when pulling the shadows in RAW? And what did Canon think when they developed the AF selection modes? Why still three zones _vertically_ on both sides and a new mode with only three zones, not five like before? Not to mention that this should be 2 vertical zones on both sides, one center and two up/below, making it seven, but not nine or three! This is nonsense design!This way, Canon (and perhaps Nikon, too) will not hold on their own against the EVILs, even though DSLR are still better in many ways.
(Actually I shoot spherical panoramas stitched from multiple images, taken with the same exposure, the darker areas need quite a bit of a shadow pull so you can see the scenery as they are intentionally under-exposed...)
Karl - surely you saw Blade Runner... everyone will need that for their Esper machines...
adiwsusanto: 6D body only is $1700 after rebates. I have been pondering to upgrade my 3 years old 7D. I only have 1 EF-S lens. So.... 7D Mii or 6D?
If you shoot action or stuff in the distance then the 7DmkII rules. Also if you need a super-tough weatherproof camera. If not the 6D has a lot of advantages (less noise, lenses are the correct focal lengths, cheaper, etc).
drgarym: We have been waiting this long for this? Some of us were expecting a high resolution full frame model to compete with Nikon's D800 Maybe time for a Sony with lens adapter for my Canon glass.
The 6D is a nice FF sensor in a cheap consumer camera. The 7DmkII is a super-tough Sports/Action/Wildlife camera with superstar AF and high burst rate. If you want a crop version of the 6D you need a 700D.
Ton Jelsma: Very disapponted. I now own a 70D with touch screen and excellent and easy video performance!
The aim here is different and the video focus is targeted differently. The 70D is for making "ordinary" movies, so you can do focus pulls using the touch-screen. The 7D is for Wildlife/Sports/Airshows/similar and the video AF concentrates on tracking a subject. It's not supposed to be general purpose, more focused (sorry for the pun)...
Aryan009900: Why didnt they say its a canon 5d mark iii but with smaller sensor !!!
It has (well, should have) better AF than a 5DmkIII (in common with the 1Dx it has two DIGIC chips, also more powerful ones than the 5DmkIII). It's more a mini 1Dx with a slightly lower burst rate. IMHO of course.
Dr_Jon: Looks very interesting - pity about the battery life (and battery price) though. Be interesting to see how bad it looks with a f2.8 zoom attached... Tempting...
I find it a pain to carry a bunch of batteries around and try to keep them all charged up, always asking for trouble. Others may differ. Do remember you can only leave one battery charging over-night unless you buy and carry with you multiple chargers.
JBurnett: Yay, EVF! I know young'uns often don't care, but we who need reading glasses to properly see the LCD applaud this addition.
Yohan - better when the Sun is bright and allows a more stable shooting position.
RXVGS - I have the 70-300 DO and I'm not sure it's L build quality. It's also very sharp at 70 and quite unsharp at 300...
Dr_Jon: You could already shoot 16:9 video with still-friendly parameters, load it straight into Photoshop and pick stills to save. The added aspect ratios are interesting though, plus the loop option.
No mention of auto-ISO in M though :-(
Sorry, wasn't clear what I meant. Thanks for filling it out.
Joe Ogiba: Poor Canon and Nikon, they are stuck in the past with 1080p DSLRs while companies like Samsung have cameras like the NX1 with cinema 4K and 15fps with AF.
viking79 - all the stuff I've seen says you can't mount the high-quality Canon and Nikon telephotos. Where does it say different? Do you get AF, IS, manual focus if it's electronic? (I'm really asking, not having a pop.)