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peevee1: "This makes for a pretty mouth-watering package that looks very close to the Olympus PEN E-P5 at a distinctly lower price point"
True, but E-P5 is still a better camera:1) The elephant in the room is, of course, 5-axis stabilization2) Touch screen3) Better controls (with 1-2 switch)4) Faster shooting speed (9 fps vs 5)5) Faster shutter speed - 1/8000s6) More powerful flash, and with flash sync 1/320s vs 1/180s7) Accessory port for EVFs and other stuff8) More compact lenses9) Electronic levelsetc.
Not sure it would justify extra $300 for many people though. :) Oly definitely needs to shed $200 or so before becoming reasonable with competition like that.
Check the Fuji promo materials, see how they ridicule small m4/3 sensor :-) E-p5 is a nice camera, but let's be realistic, it's nowhere close to the image quality of Fuji's APS-C X-sensor.
Miracle camera. It's not even in stock, but already on the second place on Amazon best sellers, only trailing behind Sony NEX-6: http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-Compact-System-Cameras/zgbs/electronics/3109924011/ref=zg_bs_nav_e_3_281052If such buying frenzy already a day after announcement, this camera will trounce in sales all other mirrorless taken together. It will probably be in short supply for the next few months and be sold on ebay with a significant markup.
It's a bombshell! The world of mirrorless cameras is shaken!
If everything they say actually works well, this camera will be extremely successful. Competition will be scrambling their design to catch up with Fuji. Expect huge discounts from Panasonic/Olympus/Canon/Nikon and Sony soon. Actually, it will cannibalize Fuji's own X-E1 and X-Pro1 cameras, so they will have to be discounted even deeper. The next step for Fuji will be adding an EVF, and grip, and updating sensor with PDAF, and until FF mirrorless cameras come the competition will be licking their wounds and losing money.
Looks overpriced ... by about $1000.
snowboarder: So is it really gonna work for micro 4/3? More and more compactcameras will show up with full frame and they are stuck witha small sensor...
So many misunderstandings in few replies. 1) Yes, sensor technology had a good run, no, it's not going to continue forever. The physical limits are very close, the ideal m4/3 sensor cannot be better than non-ideal modern FF sensors. 2) It will happen very soon and Oly needs to figure it now, or it will be too late. 3) The bigger sensor doesn't mean bigger lenses. Equivalent lenses are not much different in size. Faster lenses are bigger in size.
photo perzon: Prices of m4/3 are now twice of DSLRs such as Nikon D3100, 5100 and three times high performance compacts such as the LX7. Then their lenses are also $ 1,000 easy.
You forgot to mention that the flagship models are still trailing behind the base models of another manufacturer. There isn't any other major system that gives so little bang for the buck.
Can't wait to see the sibling rivalries on the m43 forum. Both E-P5 and E-M5 produce religious following, and true believers always zealously fight the infidels from another camp.
Hm, not sure what is this lens for. On m4/3, it's equivalent to 120mm/5.6, hard to think of a useful application. On APS-C, it's equivalent to 90mm/4.2 --good FL for portraits, but too slow for that; the existing SEL 50mm/1.8 though slightly short is much better in the other respect. Sigma for some reason releasing lenses, which add little to existing native lenses, how are they going to sell them?
Both lenses are great at their peak at 5.6-8.0, but at f/2 Canon is pretty lousy, while Zeiss is still pretty good. For most practical purposes Canon is a f/2.8 lens.
It would have been a lovely small camera and the price is right if not a subpar high ISO performance and mediocre lens.
It looks longer and heavier than 28-70/2.8 FF lens. Did Sigma simply glue those 4 elements from SpeedBooster to the 28-70 lens and cut the long end due to vignetting?
Don't fret the moire: most lenses just don't have sufficient resolution, most scenes don't have regular high special frequency patterns, in many cases focusing is off just enough to eliminate them, and finally the noise reduction takes resolution down quite a bit to eliminate any traces of the high frequencies. On the other hand, if you notice moire in your pictures, you can be proud of the quality of your lenses and your camera :-)
I don't understand people fascinated with this lens. It's equivalent to 24-70/5.6 on full frame, but doesn't achieve anywhere close resolution, it offers pretty low value for money.
I still have an old Pentax-FA 24-90mm/3.5-4.5 lens which is almost the same size and weight, covers bigger range, collects significantly more light, and have a lot better resolution on FF too. Did I mention Pentax is several times cheaper? Even using 10 year old technology we should have had the same size and weight 12-45mm/1.7-2.2 m4/3 zoom at 1/3 the price. If they ever make a 1:2 focal reducer, that what one will get using that Pentax lens.
Great achievement, Panasonic made a less capable zoom at much higher price.
The only problem with rental model -- lenses are so easy to damage, scratch, etc. and it might not be easily visible upon inspection.
raztec: Fuji is making cameras for all types of people. The X series for the pros and serious hobbyists and the super zooms for the undiscerning masses who equate bigger with better. Can't really fault them for the idiocy of the masses.
It's hard to sell P&S cameras nowadays, so manufacturers have to invent something to catch an eye of an average ignorant consumer. I can't fault them for trying.
Dodi73: mmmthe longer the sillier... they can stabilize everything, simply put is the user the weakest point... Heck, with a reflex I have problems pointing anything longer than 300/400mm, go figure a 1000mm... It's like giving a super sniper rifle to not even a sunday luna park shooter...
Imho, they (whatever brand "they" means) should make much shorter zoom and increase sensor sizes. Even a 20x (20/400) or 25-300 would be much more appealing with better sensor specs. Actually, at least for me, even a 25-250 would be enough, given a superior performance. A camera must not be useful only at noon or in full day, a truly versatile camera must give you good result whatever the light. THIS is the key point.
It's mostly targeting ignorant P&S shooters. The 44x zoom, 1000mm equivalent, etc. -- all those buzzwords that resonate in uneducated shooters, which don't understand that sensor was simply reduced to a miniscule piece of silicon to get those numbers and as a result the image quality went down the tubes.
forpetessake: I'm not sure the lens on the long end is usable at all, it's equivalent to 1056mm f/40 in FF format. With such a dim lens even in best sunny day one has to use high ISO, slow shutter and will get a lot of noise and smeared action.
Q: "how do you figure f40?"A: that's simple, the sensor is about 1/6 crop of FF, so the equivalent f-stop is 1/(6.5*6), i.e. 1/39. If I put a 4x teleconverter on a slow 250mm f/5.6 FF lens I will get 1000mm f/22, and it still will be almost 4x faster than that lens.
I'm not sure the lens on the long end is usable at all, it's equivalent to 1056mm f/40 in FF format. With such a dim lens even in best sunny day one has to use high ISO, slow shutter and will get a lot of noise and smeared action.
As it was predicted DSLRs won't surrender to mirrorless without putting up a good fight. This is the first such blow -- a camera almost as light and small as mirrorless, but with the full DSLR advantages with hundreds of DSLR lenses fully compatible.Competition is good, keep them coming!
P.S. It actually beats Olympus OM-D in all respects including weight! See comparison: http://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=canon_eos100d&products=oly_em5
PC Wheeler: Hey, even if the GH4 was announced tomorrow, we'd not have our hands on it this year in all likelihood :)
There will be no GH4, they are afraid of this number :-)