Just a Photographer: I would never trust my data to be stored on a single card as most often its the controller failing and not any of the datablocks itself.
This solutions provides only false feeling of safety - Beware!!
Both replies here just support "Just a..."'s point. Backing up a CF card to another partition on the same card is not backing up at all - if anything happens to the card, both the original and the "backup" are both lost.
Backup strongly implies the ability to retrieve from a separate store if the original store is lost.
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Posted on Jun 1, 2013 at 06:52:47 UTC
I'm bothered by the phrase, "... the photographer’s own vision ..."
A fine art, or commercial photographer has a "vision" of the kind of effect she wishes to create with her images. Photoshop all you want - you are not attempting to depict reality.
A photojournalist, however is on the scene to help the rest of the world understand what was going on in the moment. She is an interpreter of reality, and just as I would not want a language interpreter changing the words of a world leader by using his "vision" of what the leader could have said, I don't want a photojournalist altering a photograph any more than absolutely necessary.
If the photographer remembered a high-contrast, primarily grey battle scene but the camera showed lower contrast with more color, adjust the image to fit what you remember was accurate. But don't change it to fit your "vision" of what a battlefield scene should look like - that is dishonest.
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Posted on May 10, 2013 at 01:39:17 UTC
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The menu grid for HDR mode Notes says "Available in JPEG and TIFF modes only" but the available Image Quality choices are RAW and JPG.
Where is the error? Does this camera support TIFF too, or should that be "Available in JPEG and RAW modes only?" - which means there really is no limit?
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Posted on Apr 27, 2013 at 00:20:50 UTC
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marike6: Good job, but I can't understand the conclusion about the OLPF considering that in the RAW Studio scene the D7100 image shows better sharpness, most obvious in the Lira note, the purple and green fabric, for example.
The D7100 image also shows superior micro-contrast than D5200 images.
Still it's good that the D7100 received the Gold Award that the D7000 should have gotten a couple of years ago.
@Amadou
"Pixel peeing?"
What's that? :)
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Posted on Apr 27, 2013 at 00:13:46 UTC
Roland Karlsson: This is not a matter of Copyright. Its a matter of fraud, or not. Making more copies of a limited edition. The photographer claimed that the new prints were another series as he used a new technology. Personally I have no idea, and I think I agree with those that claim that the photographer is taking a risk by possible alienating himself from his potential customers. I also think it is kind of cheap to do it. Being a famous photographer, I think he can take a new image and print it.
Here is the nub of the problem. Did Eggleston stipulate on creation of the dye-sub limited edition that he would never reproduce the image again? Or did he simply make the dye-sub 11x17 run a limited-edition printing of the image? My hunch is that he was pretty clear, and Sobel should have known, that Eggleston meant the latter.
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Posted on Apr 3, 2013 at 23:09:41 UTC
Chaitanya S: hope Nikon's quality control doesn't screw this camera like they did with some of their previous cameras. My experience was terrible with Nikon products in past.
And ... how many Nikon products have you owned? Or Canon? Or Konica, or Hasselblad, or any other camera brand, so you (and we) can put your "terrible" experiences in context?
A comment such as yours is not credible without specifics.
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Posted on Feb 21, 2013 at 15:43:00 UTC
facedodge: You can buy still Kodachrome on ebay and amazon.... just saying. Not the last roll.
You may be able to buy it, but you won't be able to get it processed. I just checked the Dwayne's Photo web site and they stopped processing Kodachrome Dec 31, 2010.
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Posted on Feb 11, 2013 at 15:46:06 UTC
Jack Simpson: If not already mentioned ... uh oh, proof reader fail :o "More expensive than other super zooms (though none have comparable lenses)" ..... should be "none have a comparable lens" :) Other than that, a nicely written piece :)
A lens that is f5.6 at max zoom is not comparable to a lens that is f2.8 at max zoom.
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Posted on Nov 19, 2012 at 05:56:10 UTC
olivier_777: I'm surprised that in such a review the lens performance is not systematically tested ; this is for me the most important aspect of the camera. How does it perform at 25, 35, 50, 100, 200, 500... Wide open and at optimal aperture? Resolution, contrast, astigmatism, bokeh, flare, distorsion, shading, you know... The resolution test or studio test at one focal lens and one aperture only tell us nothing there.
"That level of detail... DSLR reviews."
Why is the performance of a zoom lens relevant in a DSLR review? Since you can switch lenses, any discussion of lenses in any DSLR review is by definition nonsensical.
DSLR quality reviews should be performed with a single lens, preferably a high-quality 3rd party one with samples for each mfg. This allows one to test the camera, not the lens.
If one wants to review KIT lenses sold with DSLRs, do separate lens reviews on multiple cameras - or on one specimen of the brand reserved for all such reviews. The same kit lens is typically sold with many models.
For cameras with fixed lenses such as this FZ200 it makes sense to test the performance of its lens at its shortest , normal-lens equivalent, short- and long-tele and longest length. Perform the same test for all peer cameras at zoom settings providing the same angle of view - that will provide an objective measure of the system quality - which I would assume is what anyone wants to read.
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Posted on Nov 17, 2012 at 20:57:13 UTC
PLShutterbug: Good review and validates my own experience. We bought the Nikon P510 early in the summer about a week before the FZ200 was announced, and used it until early September. Glad Costco has a great return policy. As a lifelong Nikon user I am very pleased with what Panasonic has done with this camera: - the 1.2MPxl OVF should have had more prominent mention in this review. It is SO MUCH SHARPER than any other OVF I've seen. - The diopter correction in this camera is far superior to the P510's. Nice, crisp images in the EVF were one of my first impressions. - The constant F2.8 lens really helps with any telephoto situation. - I like Panasonic's implementation of the left-side manual focus lever much better than Nikon's (where you must set the camera to MF every time you want to use the lever). Unfortunately MF with any of this class of camera is not well advanced - I'm constantly focusing past the sharp point. - The RAW support is great. We have been very pleased with the camera overall.
Note that while I wrote "OVF" at the beginning I wrote "EVF" later. Gimmea a break - everyone makes typos at some point. Unfortunately I don't see a way to edit my post.
I bought the Nikon at Costco while on a short vacation because I was impressed by the zoom specs and we had been thinking of a replacement for our three-year-old P80 anyway. After some use I realized its shortcomings - despite the long zoom reach the rest of its execution is sadly lacking. I mentioned Costco's generous return policy only because I'm relieved not to be stuck with the P510 until my next upgrade. To my knowledge Costco doesn't sell this Panasonic model so the point is moot anyway
I bought the Panasonic at Kenmore Camera, a local Seattle-area shop. They offered a generous return policy as well but I'm well past that now and have no intention of moving away from this camera for quite some time.
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Posted on Nov 17, 2012 at 20:20:18 UTC
Good review and validates my own experience. We bought the Nikon P510 early in the summer about a week before the FZ200 was announced, and used it until early September. Glad Costco has a great return policy. As a lifelong Nikon user I am very pleased with what Panasonic has done with this camera: - the 1.2MPxl OVF should have had more prominent mention in this review. It is SO MUCH SHARPER than any other OVF I've seen. - The diopter correction in this camera is far superior to the P510's. Nice, crisp images in the EVF were one of my first impressions. - The constant F2.8 lens really helps with any telephoto situation. - I like Panasonic's implementation of the left-side manual focus lever much better than Nikon's (where you must set the camera to MF every time you want to use the lever). Unfortunately MF with any of this class of camera is not well advanced - I'm constantly focusing past the sharp point. - The RAW support is great. We have been very pleased with the camera overall.
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Posted on Nov 17, 2012 at 01:35:40 UTC
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liquid stereo: I know nothing of this Surface thing but those pros are only pros to people who insist on being behind the times.
USB 2.0? Is that the slow one or the fast one? A memory card slot? For what purpose?
And of course the upcoming surface pro... whooo hoooo!
I don't know of many cameras that use microSD cards. Sure - I can buy a microSD card and put it in an adapter to use with my camera, but that's another bit of stuff to lose.
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Posted on Oct 24, 2012 at 23:13:28 UTC
jsis: He's a product manager. In other words, he's actually not the one who makes the decisions to build the camera. The guy doesn't know anything more than the salesperson at Best Buy.
Nonsense (I'm a product manager myself at a technology company). PMs have enormous impact on product design and what goes into them. They are part of the marketing department, they are in front of end users all the time, and their suggestions are what create new products - not those of the engineers. They also have lots and lots of experience in the market segments their products impact.
To compare a PM to a Best Buy sales rep shows complete ignorance of product development.
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Posted on Sep 26, 2012 at 01:07:46 UTC
Just a Photographer: I would never trust my data to be stored on a single card as most often its the controller failing and not any of the datablocks itself.
This solutions provides only false feeling of safety - Beware!!
Both replies here just support "Just a..."'s point. Backing up a CF card to another partition on the same card is not backing up at all - if anything happens to the card, both the original and the "backup" are both lost.
Backup strongly implies the ability to retrieve from a separate store if the original store is lost.
Peiasdf: Wow, at $6000, that's a great deal. Shut up and take my money.
Doesn't matter what Leica make. It is going to be 40% over priced.
No, if it's just a re-badged Panasonic it's 40% (or more) overpriced.
I'm bothered by the phrase, "... the photographer’s own vision ..."
A fine art, or commercial photographer has a "vision" of the kind of effect she wishes to create with her images. Photoshop all you want - you are not attempting to depict reality.
A photojournalist, however is on the scene to help the rest of the world understand what was going on in the moment. She is an interpreter of reality, and just as I would not want a language interpreter changing the words of a world leader by using his "vision" of what the leader could have said, I don't want a photojournalist altering a photograph any more than absolutely necessary.
If the photographer remembered a high-contrast, primarily grey battle scene but the camera showed lower contrast with more color, adjust the image to fit what you remember was accurate. But don't change it to fit your "vision" of what a battlefield scene should look like - that is dishonest.
The menu grid for HDR mode Notes says "Available in JPEG and TIFF modes only" but the available Image Quality choices are RAW and JPG.
Where is the error? Does this camera support TIFF too, or should that be "Available in JPEG and RAW modes only?" - which means there really is no limit?
marike6: Good job, but I can't understand the conclusion about the OLPF considering that in the RAW Studio scene the D7100 image shows better sharpness, most obvious in the Lira note, the purple and green fabric, for example.
The D7100 image also shows superior micro-contrast than D5200 images.
Still it's good that the D7100 received the Gold Award that the D7000 should have gotten a couple of years ago.
@Amadou
"Pixel peeing?"
What's that? :)
Roland Karlsson: This is not a matter of Copyright. Its a matter of fraud, or not. Making more copies of a limited edition. The photographer claimed that the new prints were another series as he used a new technology. Personally I have no idea, and I think I agree with those that claim that the photographer is taking a risk by possible alienating himself from his potential customers. I also think it is kind of cheap to do it. Being a famous photographer, I think he can take a new image and print it.
Here is the nub of the problem. Did Eggleston stipulate on creation of the dye-sub limited edition that he would never reproduce the image again? Or did he simply make the dye-sub 11x17 run a limited-edition printing of the image? My hunch is that he was pretty clear, and Sobel should have known, that Eggleston meant the latter.
And people whine about black and white.
Exceptional!
Wheatsack: Aperture ring.....Yes ???????
It's a "G" lens. It's not going to have an aperture ring.
Chaitanya S: hope Nikon's quality control doesn't screw this camera like they did with some of their previous cameras. My experience was terrible with Nikon products in past.
And ... how many Nikon products have you owned? Or Canon? Or Konica, or Hasselblad, or any other camera brand, so you (and we) can put your "terrible" experiences in context?
A comment such as yours is not credible without specifics.
facedodge: You can buy still Kodachrome on ebay and amazon.... just saying. Not the last roll.
You may be able to buy it, but you won't be able to get it processed. I just checked the Dwayne's Photo web site and they stopped processing Kodachrome Dec 31, 2010.
Jack Simpson: If not already mentioned ... uh oh, proof reader fail :o "More expensive than other super zooms (though none have comparable lenses)" ..... should be "none have a comparable lens" :) Other than that, a nicely written piece :)
A lens that is f5.6 at max zoom is not comparable to a lens that is f2.8 at max zoom.
Jákup: Great review.
Been trying to get a fz200 for a month now, it keeps being 'sold out'.
Where are you shopping? In the US, just this minute (1pm PST) it shows as "in stock" at B&H.
olivier_777: I'm surprised that in such a review the lens performance is not systematically tested ; this is for me the most important aspect of the camera. How does it perform at 25, 35, 50, 100, 200, 500... Wide open and at optimal aperture? Resolution, contrast, astigmatism, bokeh, flare, distorsion, shading, you know... The resolution test or studio test at one focal lens and one aperture only tell us nothing there.
"That level of detail... DSLR reviews."
Why is the performance of a zoom lens relevant in a DSLR review? Since you can switch lenses, any discussion of lenses in any DSLR review is by definition nonsensical.
DSLR quality reviews should be performed with a single lens, preferably a high-quality 3rd party one with samples for each mfg. This allows one to test the camera, not the lens.
If one wants to review KIT lenses sold with DSLRs, do separate lens reviews on multiple cameras - or on one specimen of the brand reserved for all such reviews. The same kit lens is typically sold with many models.
For cameras with fixed lenses such as this FZ200 it makes sense to test the performance of its lens at its shortest , normal-lens equivalent, short- and long-tele and longest length. Perform the same test for all peer cameras at zoom settings providing the same angle of view - that will provide an objective measure of the system quality - which I would assume is what anyone wants to read.
PLShutterbug: Good review and validates my own experience. We bought the Nikon P510 early in the summer about a week before the FZ200 was announced, and used it until early September. Glad Costco has a great return policy. As a lifelong Nikon user I am very pleased with what Panasonic has done with this camera:
- the 1.2MPxl OVF should have had more prominent mention in this review. It is SO MUCH SHARPER than any other OVF I've seen.
- The diopter correction in this camera is far superior to the P510's. Nice, crisp images in the EVF were one of my first impressions.
- The constant F2.8 lens really helps with any telephoto situation.
- I like Panasonic's implementation of the left-side manual focus lever much better than Nikon's (where you must set the camera to MF every time you want to use the lever). Unfortunately MF with any of this class of camera is not well advanced - I'm constantly focusing past the sharp point.
- The RAW support is great.
We have been very pleased with the camera overall.
Note that while I wrote "OVF" at the beginning I wrote "EVF" later. Gimmea a break - everyone makes typos at some point. Unfortunately I don't see a way to edit my post.
I bought the Nikon at Costco while on a short vacation because I was impressed by the zoom specs and we had been thinking of a replacement for our three-year-old P80 anyway. After some use I realized its shortcomings - despite the long zoom reach the rest of its execution is sadly lacking. I mentioned Costco's generous return policy only because I'm relieved not to be stuck with the P510 until my next upgrade. To my knowledge Costco doesn't sell this Panasonic model so the point is moot anyway
I bought the Panasonic at Kenmore Camera, a local Seattle-area shop. They offered a generous return policy as well but I'm well past that now and have no intention of moving away from this camera for quite some time.
Good review and validates my own experience. We bought the Nikon P510 early in the summer about a week before the FZ200 was announced, and used it until early September. Glad Costco has a great return policy. As a lifelong Nikon user I am very pleased with what Panasonic has done with this camera:
- the 1.2MPxl OVF should have had more prominent mention in this review. It is SO MUCH SHARPER than any other OVF I've seen.
- The diopter correction in this camera is far superior to the P510's. Nice, crisp images in the EVF were one of my first impressions.
- The constant F2.8 lens really helps with any telephoto situation.
- I like Panasonic's implementation of the left-side manual focus lever much better than Nikon's (where you must set the camera to MF every time you want to use the lever). Unfortunately MF with any of this class of camera is not well advanced - I'm constantly focusing past the sharp point.
- The RAW support is great.
We have been very pleased with the camera overall.
"Fixed-aperture" in the first sentence is not accurate unless you mean that this lens can only shoot at F4. I think the term is "constant-aperture."
liquid stereo: I know nothing of this Surface thing but those pros are only pros to people who insist on being behind the times.
USB 2.0? Is that the slow one or the fast one?
A memory card slot? For what purpose?
And of course the upcoming surface pro... whooo hoooo!
I don't know of many cameras that use microSD cards. Sure - I can buy a microSD card and put it in an adapter to use with my camera, but that's another bit of stuff to lose.
jsis: He's a product manager. In other words, he's actually not the one who makes the decisions to build the camera. The guy doesn't know anything more than the salesperson at Best Buy.
Nonsense (I'm a product manager myself at a technology company). PMs have enormous impact on product design and what goes into them. They are part of the marketing department, they are in front of end users all the time, and their suggestions are what create new products - not those of the engineers. They also have lots and lots of experience in the market segments their products impact.
To compare a PM to a Best Buy sales rep shows complete ignorance of product development.
AV Janus: They left the most important information out.
How many Mega Pixels?
Maybe an edit after you posted this, but it was in the blurb on the DPR home page and it's at the bottom of the release.
Kelvin L: I hope Impossible start releasing similar materials for the 4x5" format... fingers crossed
Why? You'll end up with one-off 4x5 prints that cost a fortune and whose quality is dubious (as Scott so eloquently points about above).
8x10 prints as an art medium ... maybe. But 4x5? Really?