Bren Dyer: Sony seem to be an innovative company that continually bring out new products that dont quite fit the norm. I am a dedicated Nikon user but get a serious hardware hard on when I see the stuff Sony come out with. The A7 series is actually bloody good and I have been tempted on more than one account to jump ship. The biggest question for me is will it work well with my lenses especially the 70-200 2.8...The low light capabilities of these cameras MUST point it in the right direction for at the very least a second camera in a wedding shoot, if not the leading role...
Yes, a very serious hardware hard on!
I read comments like this all the time: someone being a dedicated Canon or Nikon user, yet admiring (translation: preferring) the specs of Sony's offerings. And this confuses me. If I normally buy coffee A, and then try coffee B, and I find coffee B to be better (and cheaper!), well...then I become a coffee B drinker -- period. Perhaps by "dedicated user" you simply mean you've already invested in a lot of Nikon lenses?
Karroly: From your review :"if you need one (an EVF...), then the LF1 is the camera for you but, if it's just a feature you'd quite like to have, the decision is less clear-cut "
I would have concluded exactly the opposite. If you NEED a viewfinder then you need a large, clear, sharp, easy to use one, so look for another camera. If you just use it occasionally (in bright sun, or to reduce camera shake when required), then this one is OK...
Name two of the hidden deficiencies. (And if they're "hidden", do they still matter?)
Athonline: I really like A7 MkII. It looks like it "fixes" most of my complains for the A7: The grip and the layout. In terms of body-specs a touchscreen is the only thing missing. Bonus points of the WiFi API Sony uses.
Now if Sony had a good selection of FE-lenses, I could see this one replacing one of my E-M1s! Unfortunately I like zooms and the 24-70mm f/4 is mediocre at best. The 70-200mm f/4.0 a bit expensive for what it is... +1 for the two awesome primes, but again with a price premium.
In any case: Kudos to Sony! They definitely fired some shots towards the status quo of Canonikon!
It's just "II", not "MkII".
Rob Sims: I suspect the A7-II will prove to be yet another warning shot across the bows of Canon/Nikon (if the A7/A7S/A7R were not enough last year). Each warning shot gets closer as the lens line up gets filled out.
The A9 which is rumoured to be fully weather sealed, and with a new advanced AF system (upgraded from the A6000) will be their real weapon against the D810 / 5Dm3.
Warning shot? Warning of what, exactly? -- Sony's already kicking Canikon's asses.
peevee1: Oh come on! What does that have to do with digital photography?
peevee1: You're clearly confused about the nature of DPReview and its name. It is a camera and photography site, period. It was named during the transition from film to digital, and positioned against other sites describing themselves with the "digital" distinction -- again, when there was still an (albeit flickering) option of film cameras. Read no more than this into the "digital" component of DPR's name: it's PURELY incidental at this point.
Besides, it's not as though the inclusion of this article -- whose link you CHOSE to click -- in any way exists at the expense of other, purely-digital content on this site. When I go to the store to buy tortillas, it in no way bothers me that it also sells bread.
Horshack: Q: We had an issue with the A7R with shutter vibration reducing resolution in certain situations. How do you incorporate feedback like this from your users?
A: We take the feedback and make note of it, and we use it to improve the next generation of products.
Reading between the lines this means the A7r will not be seeing a firmware workaround for the shutter vibration issue. Sony might want to consider a different firmware support strategy if they want to be seen as a maker of serious cameras and camera systems.
Maybe you're mistaking Sony's honesty and aggressive hardware response for a dodge on its firmware updates (which is quite a mistake, for as an owner of Sony products I've found the company to be relatively quick and generous with these updates). Or maybe you're really just whining about the fact that Sony's products aren't always perfect -- which makes them just like...every other manufacturer's products!
Horshack, you seem to be confused. The premise here is something in need of improvement -- that's the "given" about which we're talking. In regard to that premise, the universe of responses include only two options: 1) issuing a firmware adjustment -- if and where possible (and as Jogger has pointed out, it's not always possible) -- and 2) addressing the issue in the next model version. Sony's approach really doesn't mark any deviation from this (except insofar as it's more honest about it both the problems and the degree to which they're amenable to firmware adjustment, and it's actually more aggressive in its forthcoming hardware revisions) and, as I've suggested, it logically can't deviate from this.
I prefer Sony's approach.
RStyga: From pins to camera straps modern marketing sells through the sexual exploitation of the female body... Low lives...
JBurnett, yes, you must be getting old or something.
AlanWatson: Possibly the least ergonomic DSLR I've seen, as well as the ugliest.
How did the maker of the ME Super come to this?
I'd be more interested in this comment if the K-S1 were not the least ergonomic DSLR you've seen, but the least ergonomic one you've HELD. As an industrial designer, based on this model's pictures, I imagine the camera (whose aesthetic appeal admittedly remains to be debated...or, as seen here, heavily teased) might be much more comfortable than many imagine.
The Photo Ninja: Too bad not for Mac.
I bought a PC to avoid the horrible experience I've had with Macs. Point being, Just a Photographer: purely subjective comments aren't that useful to others.
mpgxsvcd: This is not SLR-Like. It does not have a mirror, it is not an interchangeable lens camera, it does not have a large sensor, it does not have good ISO performance.
This is simply a super zoom fixed lens camera.
Let me see if I understand this: mpgxsvcd's post is pointless, but your pointing out that mpgxsvcd's post is pointless is somehow profound? The irony would be amusing if hadn't already read a bazillion of your pointless snipes at this point in the comments.
The Photo Ninja: I'll stick with Canon.
And we're all very happy for you. Meanwhile Sony continues to innovate.
braisim: I have to say I don't understand why GPS has been replaced with WiFi/NFC. I am an A77 owner and I do find the GPS useful. Frankly I struggle to see what real benefit WiFi would give me. The best quality images from the A77 measure some 24 MB. So I can transfer this to my phone (after having set all of that up on my smartphone) and then post it on flickr or facebook. And then have that transfer take 10 minutes as I'm in an area without 3G let alone 4G and then have my carrier charge me for all of that data transfer, because I'm abroad. And then have my smartphone battery last only 6 hours instead of a full day. I don't see the point. On a camera like this, unless one wants to use remote control (which seems like a pretty niche activity) I don't see the value of WiFi/NFC. Please educate me.
straylightrun, you mean A77II, not A77. And, FYI, commenting on a camera's design -- whether we like it and why -- is what this section is all about. So kudos to the OP for sharing his entirely germane opinion.
Underdog 3000: Looks like a great camera down to 1 EV.Too bad its HUGE
Huge?! -- what utter nonsense. It's a DSLR. If you prefer some compact camera to keep in your purse, fine, but don't fault this camera for being precisely what it's meant to be.
Jeff Seltzer: It's really so unbelievable how many people don't get it. These images are not winners because they are beautiful, technically perfect photos. They are images from a series. The first image, for example, Sara Naomi Lewkowicz, is a well regarded photojournalist that as documenting domestic violence. Just look at many Pulitzer winning images - would you necessarily want them hanging on your wall because they are beautiful? If you want technically perfect images of sunsets, etc., then look elsewhere. The second image from Ludovic Maillard - he's a well regarded professional with a long CV including dozens of exhibitions. His images are not meant to be decor. Those criticizing these images as "ordinary" should AT LEAST do a little homework and research. Really, embarrassing for you.
"Imbecile" was strong language, and I wish I hadn't used it -- but now that you've replied I'm no longer able to edit or delete it! ;-) That said, if Smeggypants is free to emphatically suggest that other people's work is "crap", etc., I feel it's fair for me to suggest that his behavior is imbecilic. As for "rude", well...what alternative assessment is there? So I wasn't attacking him the person, but questioning his behavior here in this forum. And if we can call a spade a spade, I think it's safe to say that, for whatever reason, he's been trolling this Sony piece. I'm all for bold and divergent views, but they needn't be shared inconsiderately.
Subjective feelings don't require explanations -- unless they're offered for others' consumption on a public forum like this. (Duh.)
Besides, it's not your subjective feelings that b craw wants explained, but your clear declaration that Jeff Seltzer's assessment here is objectively wrong; so it's not your feelings at issues, but your argument.
Your statement that "people don't need to justify their tastes" seems to be rather at odds with your blatant repudiation of the tastes of Seltzer, DPR and all the photographers featured here in Sony's awards.
In short, you're a rude imbecile who's overstepping his intellectual capacity, here, in front of everyone. (No wonder you're sensitive about others' superiority.)
Smeggypants: Some of these images are great, most are mediocre. I don't care for the "It's a series" excuse. Putting photographs in a series can't polish a turd
Smeggypants, you're really too much: first YOU pass judgement, then you accuse the person who calls you on it of acting superior. The only case of which this exchange is a "classic" example is the pot calling the kettle black (hint: you're the pot).
rfclark: One reason this didn't crash and burn like a lot of our early military test rockets is that this rocket is built with private money!The engineers made sure they knew what they were doing before they lit the fuse!
So anti-government ignorance has finally made it to DPReview, of all places. Sigh.
smafdy: As usual, Pentax offers the highest quality and feature set in a camera format, at a comparably affordable price, and . . .
. . . some people have an immediate sh!t hemorrhage over it.
Everybody knows that it would have been much easier to just make this pocket-sized, with a mount that would accept any lens ever made, a pop-up 72" Octobox w/1600 WS internal flash, red-eye reduction, noise-free ISO 50 - 102400, high speed (2,000 fps) video capture, waterproof to 3,000 meters, and a few more essential features like a screw driver, bottle opener, scissors, a compartment to hold emergency gear (firestarter, fish hook and line, at minimum), and a secret message decoder.
Pentax just can't get it right.
Brilliant rebuke against these tedious forum rats.