Mike FL: For the same price @499, you can get Sony NEX-6 with16-50mm Power Zoom. Plus:- Build in EVF,- Build in flash, and - Better brand name.
BTW: I'm not sure if NX3000 could have batter IQ than Sony NEX-6 even sub $500 Fuji XA1 and M1 have better IQ than NEX-6 (especially Fuji has better color rendition).
Good value, but that is a discontinued camera price. Wait a bit and the NX3000 price will drop fast too. I had the Nex 18-55 kit lens, the Samsung kit lens has a better IQ IMO. And Samsung certainly has better pancake lens than Sony if one want further upgrade.I have a Fuji X-E1, very nice color, but sometimes color is over the top and can look a bit plasitic.
brownie314: I like what Samsung is doing with their cameras. However - I have seen lots of samples from Samsung cameras and the default processing, especially of skin tones, always seems to bluish and not attractive. I know different cameras have their "look", but to my eyes, Samsung does not have a good look SOOC.
I have used 4 camera system (Sony Nex, Fuji X, Olympus, Samsung NX), and Samsung is definitely not the one with the worst skin tone. if I have to pick one, Sony will be the at the last place regarding skin tone. The DPR test samples with portraits are done in very bad lighting (ie. in shadows, light reflecting of blue chairs). I think below link is a better example of skin tone from NX3000http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3715542
But what if the monkey is a natural and has better photography skill than Mr. Slater. If Mr. Slater is incapable of taking such photos, then the legal rights is even more disputable.... :-)
Raist3d: Wow Samsung well done. I wish they had a telephoto out of the gate.
If u use the NX adapter for the NX line of lens. There is a NX tele zoom 50-200m f4-5.6, times that by 2.7 crop you get 135-540mm reach. But the downside is the combo is fairly big
Charlie Jin: Can't say about other types of pictures, but for portraits, wow, I can't believe that you can produce such quality from a 1" sensor camera. The skins look gorgeous. Maybe it's the prime lens ?
I believe its both the lens and the camera. I have had Sony Nex, Fuji X-E1, Olympus and the Samsung NX camera. I can say Samsung NX produce excellent and fairly accurate color as good as any brand. You should check the apsc sensor in the NX line if its color you want. I like it better than my Fuji.
jenbenn: What you forgot to mention is that the 5D has vastly superior dynamic range in all shots. The highlights in the sony raws are all blown out while the canon retains considerably more detail.
BTW I own a 5d III and a Sony A7 (non-r). The canon consistantly delivers less noise and better dynamic range at all isos above 400. The exception being at iso 100 and iso200 where the sony has less shadow noise if you need to lift the shadows dramatically.
To complete this: Any test site (hint: DXO) rating the canon sensor far below the sony sensor, should start using their cameras to take photos instead of performing absurd measurebating tests which do not translate into real life.
The more I looked at the image compare from DPR and IR, the more I believe that DXO numbers are absolutely useless.
tkbslc: Obviously 409600 looks like junk, but up to 51200 and even 102400 look pretty usable. Probably 2 stops better than any other FF competitor.
Strange, I only see around half to one stop advantage, and you lose big time in the resolution. I think that is a trade off one must consider.
Eleson: One thing that become apparent is that the jpeg engine in A7s i really, really good. Take a look at ISO 102400 and compare to Df (or anything).
I can clearly see why some say "you need to shoot RAW".But then again, show a RAW picture that beats the out-of-camera jpeg from a7s @ redicilously high ISO's....
My opinion is if you shot FF, you want quality, so might as well spend a bit more time to get it, otherwise, why not just use apsc or m43.
steelhead3: Does Samsung have to copy Sony even down to the numbering system
If Sony had copy Samsung lens quality as well, I probably would not have switched from Nex to Samsung nx. BTW, the Samsung NX10 came out before the Nex 5.
Jogger: Interchangeable lenses for cameras with smaller than APSc sensors make no sense. You can get the upcoming Sony RX100m3 with 24-70/1.8-2.8 equiv. in a much smaller package.
From the RX100 samples, I don't really see better optics from Sony over the Samsung. I was fairly surprised by the IQ from the nx mini small sensor. I will pick one up for use with my D mount lens as soon as adapters came out.Judging from the IQ from the mini 9mm lens, I think it is as good if not better than the RX100 zoom. But that's a bit unfair since it a prime vs zoom lens.
darklamp: Tell me something it does that a Sony NEX with 18-55 doesn't for a tenth the price.
Ah, yes, it has a red dot.
And while that 18-55 may ( or may not be ) optically great, the reality is that correcting CA and distortion is the norm and accepted as quite reasonable.
Oddly no fast 50mm equivalent at launch and no 85mm equivalent at launch. Surely that's a minimum requirement for a serious camera ?
And they don't even include an M mount adapter for the price. That's cheeky. Who else will buy it apart from rabid M mount owners ? ( Oh, yeah, celebrities - I forgot ).
I can't take Leica seriously any more.
How long before we see the gold version ( or platinum ? ) and the snow leopard skin clad version with matching carry pouch ?
They don't make cameras any more, they make accessories for celebs.
Hmm, I had the Nex kit lens, it is part of the reason I use legacy lens and switch to another brand for AF. It's Leica, expect the price to be crazy.
CaseyComo: That's some aggressive noise reduction in low light.
Why not trying shooting raw, it came with a free Lightroom software!
SETI: Pictures looks a lil bit dull to me
I have a Sony Nex, Samsung nx300, and just got a Fuji X-E1. If you want very saturated color, Fuji is for you. But for me, I am trying to find ways to tone down the darn over saturated Fuji color which to me is a bit unnatural. Of the 3 cameras, I think Samsung has the most accurate color.
ProfHankD: Once again, Samsung has made a mutant Sony that in many ways is nicer. Basically, this is a Sony A3000++. Ok, the sensor probably isn't quite as good (although DxOMark shows Samsung isn't far behind the A3000), but Samsung actually makes pretty much everything in their cameras, and they're getting better at everything. They've got a long way to go to match an A7R, but I'll keep watching them....
Honestly, the only thing that's kept me from buying a Samsung camera is the slightly long flange distance and relatively poor availability of legacy lens adapters (e.g., no Lens Turbo) for NX. Then again, I own a Galaxy S3, so I guess I actually do own two Samsung cameras.... ;-)
All the legacy lens I used on the Nex I also use on the Samsung, except the C mount and M mount, but those lens are too expensive anyways. Here is a incomplete list of legacy mount you can use on NX: Canon - EF (and there is tons of adapter for EF), M39, M42, Minolta MD, Canon FD, Pentax PK, Nikon F, Olympus OM, Exakta, etc.I can even use the rare German Robot mount lens on my NX.
Tonio Loewald: Samsung is like the (1990s) Microsoft of hardware — in a good way. They produce a shoddy imitation v1 and then iterate until they get it right. With the new premium zoom they're actually making their rivals look stupid. Interesting times.
What does a better mount mean? Does produce better images?If you don't use Leica M mount lens, then that is no difference.I use tons of legacy glass on Nex before and now I use it on the Samsung.
ChuckTa: Correct me if I am wrong, but is the f2-2.8 zoom the largest aperture 3x zoom ever made? In any format? (except the TV zooms which are for very small size sensor)
Thanks for pointing out the olympus lens. Both are very heavy, even the 2.5x zoom 14-35mm is 900g, and that's for a m43 sensor. So I guess there is no f2 zoom for apsc up till now, and still not constant f2. Nevertheless, the NX starts at f2 and 3.1x zoom and weights in at 622g, that's not too bad.yabokkie is absolute light , but f2 is f2 and still gives a faster shutter. I actually had the big Tamron 28-75 f2.8 on the Nex, didn't like the rendering and color. Sold it.
Hmm.. I thought the Samsung NX10 was the first apsc mirrorless produced, even before the Nex 5. However, you are right about getting it right. Because I brought Nex 5 when it came out, I thought nothing of the samsung then. Now I also have a Samsung NX and I use it most of the time.
Correct me if I am wrong, but is the f2-2.8 zoom the largest aperture 3x zoom ever made? In any format? (except the TV zooms which are for very small size sensor)
migus: 111gr. 16-50 OIS is impressive, if the IQ is typical of Samsung's 20-50kit or their primes...!
Few years ago i've bought two NX100's just for their 20-50kit lenses; each costed ca. $250 with camera attached :-). Compared against nikon's 20 and 50 primes (the 'legends') and was often superior. And yet Samsung is rarely mentioned as camera maker...
Net: The pro version glass from Sammy may be great, but not investment grade - unless it becomes usable on Canon and Sony bodies. Personally I wish i could use the NX lenses on NEX bodies (i prefer their sensors and JPG engines) w/o major engineering, but this is a pipe dream.
I rather have a good IQ lens then a mediocre lens with OIS. I will take the NX 20-50mm anytime over my Sony Nex kit. That's all I can say.That is why I only use the Nex 5 with legacy lens. I leave the AF work to the Samsung.
Jorginho: Well it depends on how it will perform and, from various reports on Samsung cams, the Quality control is one thing to reckon with. zvarious reports about bad lenses are around. Even though there are not so many users of this system....But this is a very nice lens with very nice specs. I hope it performs well.
I have to say that 650 grams for a f2 to f2.8 is on the low side compared to other APs-c offerings that are nearly the same in F, but "only" offer f2.8. otoh: this weighs more than double and is quite a bit larger too than the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8. It is even quite a bit heavier than the 100-300 mm and 75-300 mm Olympus zooms for the mFt system. I have the 100-300 and it is as far as I am wiling to go even on the DSLR-like Gh2 body I have.So what is the advantage here, the incetive for APS-c users to get into the NX30-+ this lens? It is a bit difficult to see, at least for me.
But let's wait and see: for the Samsung users at least this is probably a very nice option to have!
The fact is if you want small lens, you got small lens. If you want quality, you got quality. You can choose. Unfortunately, we still live in the real world where laws of physics apply.The fact that there is even a f2 3x zoom is truly ground breaking and I believe first in the history of apsc lens. Where Sony innovates in sensor, Samsung does it in the lens.I think only Samsung dare to do it because of its huge financial resources, I don't think they'll make money on this lens, whatever the price, but it'll help the whole line of NX camera.