ProfHankD: Once again, Samsung has made a mutant Sony that in many ways is nicer. Basically, this is a Sony A3000++. Ok, the sensor probably isn't quite as good (although DxOMark shows Samsung isn't far behind the A3000), but Samsung actually makes pretty much everything in their cameras, and they're getting better at everything. They've got a long way to go to match an A7R, but I'll keep watching them....
Honestly, the only thing that's kept me from buying a Samsung camera is the slightly long flange distance and relatively poor availability of legacy lens adapters (e.g., no Lens Turbo) for NX. Then again, I own a Galaxy S3, so I guess I actually do own two Samsung cameras.... ;-)
All the legacy lens I used on the Nex I also use on the Samsung, except the C mount and M mount, but those lens are too expensive anyways. Here is a incomplete list of legacy mount you can use on NX: Canon - EF (and there is tons of adapter for EF), M39, M42, Minolta MD, Canon FD, Pentax PK, Nikon F, Olympus OM, Exakta, etc.I can even use the rare German Robot mount lens on my NX.
Tonio Loewald: Samsung is like the (1990s) Microsoft of hardware — in a good way. They produce a shoddy imitation v1 and then iterate until they get it right. With the new premium zoom they're actually making their rivals look stupid. Interesting times.
What does a better mount mean? Does produce better images?If you don't use Leica M mount lens, then that is no difference.I use tons of legacy glass on Nex before and now I use it on the Samsung.
ChuckTa: Correct me if I am wrong, but is the f2-2.8 zoom the largest aperture 3x zoom ever made? In any format? (except the TV zooms which are for very small size sensor)
Thanks for pointing out the olympus lens. Both are very heavy, even the 2.5x zoom 14-35mm is 900g, and that's for a m43 sensor. So I guess there is no f2 zoom for apsc up till now, and still not constant f2. Nevertheless, the NX starts at f2 and 3.1x zoom and weights in at 622g, that's not too bad.yabokkie is absolute light , but f2 is f2 and still gives a faster shutter. I actually had the big Tamron 28-75 f2.8 on the Nex, didn't like the rendering and color. Sold it.
Hmm.. I thought the Samsung NX10 was the first apsc mirrorless produced, even before the Nex 5. However, you are right about getting it right. Because I brought Nex 5 when it came out, I thought nothing of the samsung then. Now I also have a Samsung NX and I use it most of the time.
Correct me if I am wrong, but is the f2-2.8 zoom the largest aperture 3x zoom ever made? In any format? (except the TV zooms which are for very small size sensor)
migus: 111gr. 16-50 OIS is impressive, if the IQ is typical of Samsung's 20-50kit or their primes...!
Few years ago i've bought two NX100's just for their 20-50kit lenses; each costed ca. $250 with camera attached :-). Compared against nikon's 20 and 50 primes (the 'legends') and was often superior. And yet Samsung is rarely mentioned as camera maker...
Net: The pro version glass from Sammy may be great, but not investment grade - unless it becomes usable on Canon and Sony bodies. Personally I wish i could use the NX lenses on NEX bodies (i prefer their sensors and JPG engines) w/o major engineering, but this is a pipe dream.
I rather have a good IQ lens then a mediocre lens with OIS. I will take the NX 20-50mm anytime over my Sony Nex kit. That's all I can say.That is why I only use the Nex 5 with legacy lens. I leave the AF work to the Samsung.
Jorginho: Well it depends on how it will perform and, from various reports on Samsung cams, the Quality control is one thing to reckon with. zvarious reports about bad lenses are around. Even though there are not so many users of this system....But this is a very nice lens with very nice specs. I hope it performs well.
I have to say that 650 grams for a f2 to f2.8 is on the low side compared to other APs-c offerings that are nearly the same in F, but "only" offer f2.8. otoh: this weighs more than double and is quite a bit larger too than the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8. It is even quite a bit heavier than the 100-300 mm and 75-300 mm Olympus zooms for the mFt system. I have the 100-300 and it is as far as I am wiling to go even on the DSLR-like Gh2 body I have.So what is the advantage here, the incetive for APS-c users to get into the NX30-+ this lens? It is a bit difficult to see, at least for me.
But let's wait and see: for the Samsung users at least this is probably a very nice option to have!
The fact is if you want small lens, you got small lens. If you want quality, you got quality. You can choose. Unfortunately, we still live in the real world where laws of physics apply.The fact that there is even a f2 3x zoom is truly ground breaking and I believe first in the history of apsc lens. Where Sony innovates in sensor, Samsung does it in the lens.I think only Samsung dare to do it because of its huge financial resources, I don't think they'll make money on this lens, whatever the price, but it'll help the whole line of NX camera.
peevee1: f/2-f/2.8 sounds very nice and the formula everybody should use. Very nice upgrade from Samsung. Heavy like a brick for a mirrorless lens though. The small 16-50 finally puts it in a reasonamle competition with Sony E 16-50 and Panasonics 14-42 and 12-32 for small and light cameras - hopefully the 20-50 embarrassment will be forgotten like a bad dream.Great that they are still trying to compete.
That is true, but from an IQ perspective, I will quote photozone"We really liked the Samsung NX 20-50mm f/3.5-5.6 for various reasons. Optically it is among the best standard zoom lenses in the mirrorless system class that we've seen so far. "The lens quality is one of the main reason I switch from Nex to Samsung. I think they used some nice glass in that lens, I think the simpler design due to smaller range helps too.
D200_4me: World's smallest....until you put something you need on it....a lens ;-) Innovation is good and I welcome it, but I wish companies would quit screaming about how small their camera bodies are.
There is very true, and Sony is not known for making good small lens. Just take a look at the E 50/f1.8, it is probably the biggest 50mm apsc lens ever made.
supeyugin1: I believe those test from DxO are irrelevant for most people, as they will not buy Samsung based on the name. And it's good for Samsung users, as the prices are much lower than other systems, while the quality is higher. Please don't buy Samsung, it's a piece of junk!
HowaboutRAWAgree with you on the plasticky NX 20-50mm, really good for a kit. I was constantly surprise by the image quality I got from this little gem. For me, this is a must take lens for traveling. I am glad Samsung put the cost into the lens glass instead of lens body.Photozone review on this lens is right on.
supeyugin1Oh right, dah. Yes , bad Samsung NX, lens is terrible, don't make the mistake like me and get 4 of those bad bad NX lens. I am smart with my Sony Nex and only stick with the kit lens. Smart with Sony, yes.But I also made the mistake and just got the NX300. Darn, can't stop making those mistakes.
This is a 100% crop pic of the 20m sensor. Maybe you'll have a different opinion after you look at it.http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/50661631
Tonio Loewald: The real question is lens/camera combination. What these results show is that Samsung has caught up in sensor technology (which, given it was lagging by a generate or two a few years ago, is impressive). Samsung's remaining problems are the lack of a halo product and the lack of a recognized lens brand.
I played with some of these cameras in a local Best Buy and they feel good in hand and are very responsive. But there was no sign of a non-kit lens.
I think it is better to look at the facts. Samsung's first sensor (nx100) was used in the Pentax dlsr, this is around the time when Nex 5 came out. And I don't see anybody complaining about Pentax image quality (except maybe in the really high ISO). So it is actually not lagging behind 2 years, it is just not as good in the high iso. I have an Nex 5 and had NX100 (upgrade to NX200), my opinion is at low ISO, the Samsung NX100 image quality is better than the Nex 5. Unfortunately, this is something that a DxO number can not show.
I find it strange that you can say " while the quality is high" then follow by "it's a piece of junk!" I have a Sony Nex 5 and brought a Samsung NX100 for cheap for my wife. I was so impressed with the NX100 image quality (at low ISO), I upgraded to NX200 and the Nex goes to my wife (but she prefer small DC. Oh well.) I rarely use the Nex now. I guess I am just a "junkie" .I can posted some old test photo between the Nex 5 and NX100 if you want. Samsung is no more a junk than the Sony Nex is. I would agree don't buy it based on the name, buy it based on the quality. I would strongly suggest try it out first before stating options like that. I did.
emircruz: The silver and black one actually looks good. Just curious, how are the optics? Is the lens line better than the NEX's?
For my Nex5, I only have the kit lens, for my NX200, I have 4 AF lens, and I own the Nex5 much longer. I think that is saying something. I mostly use MF lens for my Nex. I would say the Samsung kit is better than Nex kit. And I would say the Samsung 16mm is a class (if not two) above the Nex 16mm. The NX 30mm f2 is a superb lens for the price and size. Take a look and judge for yourself, there are links to photo on 2nd last columnhttp://www.slrclub.com/bbs/vx2.php?id=samsung_forum&page=1&divpage=43&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=196565
zoranT: Samsung copy everything, first Sony's NEX series, and now they go a bit towards the retro concept of Fuji. And IQ-wise they have been always a bit behind, no surprise. They could bring it on however, if they wanted to be more serious about leading the market.
I have to disagree, IQ wise, I like my NX200 output better than my NEX5. NX have better color and layer. I am guessing Samsung "copy" quite a lot from the old days when co-op with Pentax. This is something I don't mind as long as they can do it better :-)But Samsung sucks in marketing their camera, thats for sure.
eddie_cam: Wow, ISO 25600 on a sensor that barely is able to resolve much at ISO 1600 and above, compared to other APS-C sensors (look at the NX200/210 and NX1000 reviews).
I love how the pancakes look on the small bodies, but zoom/superzoom lenses? Nope ...
I have Nex5 and NX200, I can say the Samsung iso1600 is very good, as good as the Nex5. If u look at the raw test here, the NX200 noise is actually better than the Nex 7. And even more is I like the image from my NX more than Nex. Samsung just has better color. Nex has higher hue error according to another site.
I found some pic sample from 45/1.8 and it looks really good. http://www.slrclub.com/bbs/vx2.php?id=newproduct_samsung&page=1&divpage=1&ss=on&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=3549
Zavodenka: When I see Samsung logo first thing comes to my head is vacuum cleaner.
Hmmm, how about "the biggest competitor to Apple Iphone and Ipad?"
Peiasdf: Me think Samsung is just squuzing out the last drop from NX users before dropping the system and start from scratch. The competition among Japanese companies is so fearce there is no chance for a half-baked system to succeed. (True for Canon's EOS M as well)
You mean just like they squeeze from the Galaxy III and the Galaxy Tab?