It's not exactly spun off if it's still operated and managed under the Sony group... More independent and/or nimble, perhaps, but it's not like the camera group will now go buy sensors off Panasonic or the sensor div wasn't already what buttered the bread over there... If they couldn't make their own decisions under the previous structure that just shows the nearsightedness of the devices group management.
I'm kinda curious which of the two divisions retains the investment in Olympus tho, probably doesn't mean much a far as sensor sourcing (they already sold to everyone else already) but still...
electrophoto: "urban inspired PRO TACTIC"...
marketing.... I'm speechless.
Dell XPS 13 fits a 13" display in the frame of an 11.6" MBA, hopefully all high end laptops start adopting similarly thin bezels soon, makes a huge difference... In any case, many people travel with a laptop for purposes other than spending hours editing in it's small screen. For a pro or a hardcore enthusiast, any kind of laptop is pretty cramped regardless of screen size... You can pry my 3x24" setup from my cold dead hands, unless it's to swap them with a 40" 4K display.
ecka84: So, with these f/0.95 lenses and small sensors, is there any difference when it's at 0.95 or at 1.4? Because the images look almost identical. Same blur, same EV...
Same difference as f2 & f2.8 on FF... Tho as with all lenses regardless of sensor size, I imagine there's some fudging and rounding of specs and aperture size, unless you happen to have a bunch of cine lenses with T stop markings instead.
snapshtr: For this price you can get an awful lot of capability from an APS-C or entry-level full-frame camera. Shooting video or travelling light would need to be high on your list of priorities to consider this model.
Lenses are part of the equation too, I can carry 3-5 MFT lenses in a small waist pack... I know that probably falls under "traveling light" for most but it's a huge part of what makes a MFT body this large still seem relevant to me (not to mention the wide choice of lenses up and down the price scale).
Not gonna lie tho, the size increase over the GX7 is the main negative for me... Mostly because it'll probably mean I can't fit it along with a GM1 in the same bag as the aforementioned 3-5 lenses, something I could do before. It's a big downside I'm still weighing while I await reviews.
RichRMA: A lot of these bags still look like purses. What they should do is make them purposely "out of style" for whatever purse style is prevalent this season. That way, no one will confuse them for purses. :)
Hmm, doesn't look that purse-ish to me, unless you relate that heather grey hue with purses. Kinda big to be called a murse too... Better than a black bag that screams camera gear IMO but that's a pretty subjective thing.
ProfHankD: I stopped using these shockingly-expensive designer camera bag/holder thingies long ago. Am I the only one here who regularly uses things like a little backpack soft cooler ($7 from Walmart) to carry serious camera gear?
To be precise, on longish trips I'll usually nest a smaller $5 bag in that densely holding 3-4 lenses, batteries, memory cards, cleaning supplies, passport, etc. Then I can easily fit my A7II, NEX-7, and a waterproof compact camera on top of that nested bag in the backpack, all loose but padded by half the lenses being in padded pouches in addition to the bag padding. That $7 outer bag is even very waterproof; it kept everything dry visiting Niagara Falls Cave of the Winds. Heck, it even has external mesh pockets for a water bottle!
My cheap solution is way more functional. I can flexibly subset my gear and use the smaller bag alone for side trips. I also can nest that whole little backpack in my regular backpack that holds my laptop, chargers, etc.
Since my M4/3 system is so small it doesn't even warrant a shoulder bag (and that was my attraction to it), I use a bunch of different suffing brand waist packs... Not all at once, I have 2-3 styles and sizes for different occasions (the one with the camo pattern doesn't play well in a formal setting etc). Thought about adding some padding to them but haven't really bothered since I hardly take them off or put them down anywhere.
Those waist packs are all like $20 max and people around here use them a lot for their keys, phone, etc... So no one really expects a grand worth of lenses and camera in one. Still, this Peak bag looks pretty interesting as a travel bag, it's not any pricier than high end laptop bags from the likes of Timbuk2 etc... All the Kickstarter hate on DP review is hilarious too, might as well just be screaming "get off my lawn".
Francis Carver: Man invents the canvas camera bag. Now, at what price does he do it?
Let me see now... USD $195 is the discount price. Which is off by a whopping $55 from the "regular price." Oh, really?
1. Why is this bag's normal price $250 -- instead of say $70, max?
2. How can you have a discount on something that is not even produced yet, maybe produced in six months time, or maybe never get to be produced?
It's already met it's funding goal, in fact they'd done it before your comment, and everything Peak has launched via Kickstarter has launched pretty much without drama. Just fyi.
straylightrun: Why couldn't they make it all black? This heather grey colour makes it look cheap.
There's a brown option too.
Howard: Honest question: What is the advantage of this camera over the Sony A6000?
As well as, electronic shutter, better AF in low light, wider variety of lens choices, etc etc. They're both great, but definitely in different classes. I do think the GX8 is a little overpriced for what it is whereas the A6000 has been a little underpriced at times during sales etc. Biggest trump card the A6000 had over most midrange mirrorless bodies in general was it'd C-AF but that will become more commonplace, I'm curious to see what Sony brings with the A7000 even tho I'm firmly invested in M4/3.
what_i_saw: So much for the mirror less cameras being small in size. At this rate soon the smallish to normal sized DSLR will be at par on size and feature front. And with their usual fast focusing abilities + comparatively cheaper lenses, soon we will have to take a re-look at them.
You don't even have to go that far ($1K tele zoom), there's either a size or basic variety of choice advantage almost all throughout the lens catalog unless you need the longest of teles or T/S. How many primes wider than 35mm can you get for an APS-C body? Most are for FF so they end up not so wide on crop. Compare your standard 3x kit zoom size wise vs a Panasonic 12-35 f2.8 or 14-140 (or don't bother, they're about the same).
How about pancakes brighter than f2? Sure there's some large M4/3 lenses too, but the system is spoiled for choices and after Olympus and Panasonic release the last 2-3 teles that have been announced there'll be very few holes. Only other system that comes close is Fuji and it's all larger and/or more expensive. If you're shooting NFL games you sure need a DSLR, but outside of that APS-C DSLR end up with a lot of compromises by virtue of sharing a catalog with FF.
That's comical, it's large yes, that's the only major turn off for me but it's large enough that it has me taking another look at the OM-D E-M5 etc... But let's not get hysterical, it's STILL smaller than an SL1 (or on par at worst if you wanna focus on one dimension, smaller volume overall tho), and that's basically the only DSLR small enough to even merit a comparison...
Mirrorless bodies at this end of the spectrum also focus as fast as any DSLR in the same price range, and more with better accuracy. It's not like Panasonic lost the plot either, we're talking about the same brand that released two of the smallest mirrorless bodies ever (what's smaller, an NX Mini with a 1"?) over the last two years.
They actually saw the GM1 received well enough that they quickly iterated on it with the GM5... Plenty of choices if you want small, Olympus doesn't have anything like that, having killed most of the PEN line but for one. My biggest dilemma right now is whether my GM1 will fit alongside a GX8 in the same bag and manner that I've been carrying the GM1 + GF6... Hardly tragic.
MedicineMan999: This is HUGE---anyone want to buy a GX7 or a GH4 ????I'm a huge m43s fan, even have a GM-5 (which I'll be keeping for backpacking).My gut tells me the autofocus tracking has taken another leap forward and the improved IBIS will be killer with the Oly 300 F4 when it gets here.But since Panasonic is 'proofing' this one for weather and now has the Dual IS, do you think a REAL wildlife lens maybe coming from them? I know they said no especially since Olympus is working on the 300 but this camera screams for a Lumix G Leica 300mm F4 then the two ISs can wield wonders on distant objects.Surely to the heavens they can see a begging market in those tired of carrying the huge birding rigs of Canikon.
Uh, it IS weather proofed...
futile32: I'm curious how long it will take for Panasonic, Olympus and Sony to realize they can all do this today if they utilize IBIS with some smart coding.
Software Bokeh has gotten surprisingly good these days, I do envisage a z-map added to RAW files in the future to allow bokeh simulation / refocusing.
My Android phone has done a surprisingly good job of this for the last two years.
EDIT.. although its nice to see Pany taking another approach and doing some R&D.
The software DoF blur I've seen on most Android phones is pretty terrible and fake looking with lots of errors when anything with holes is involved... That kinda thing done in post does look convincing but that's a different story. I'm not sure the non enthusiast really cared all that much for fake DoF/bokeh anyway, it was all the hype on Android for like a minute then it faded into the background/obscurity (because one pun wasn't enough!) and you seldom see talk of it now, let alone iteration.
Egregius V: Maybe the new 25mm lens is quiet for video shooters. That's clearly the target audience, right? Its emergence seems in line with the multiplicity we've already seen at the 42.5mm FL, too. I wonder how's that working out so far.
As a stills hobbyist, the 100-400 interests me a lot more. Might be a good companion to a weather-sealed 14-150 that is weakest in the long half. :)
tinternaut: Micro Four Thirds doesn't really need another 25mm lens.
To be fair, the plastic on the PL25 feels much more solid than the vast majority of plastic lenses, and I imagine a metal build would add a lot of weight... Although the metal 20mm II weights less than the first one and it seems to have a thick body, unlike the thin metal plating of recent cheap/kit zooms.
Impulses: No EFC??
They have a patent on EFC? Is there any evidence they've leveraged it? Most other camera makers are using or are starting to use EFC, including Sony, Oly, Fuji, and I think Samsung...
Dr_Jon: Very disappointed by the weight - 26% more than a GF1, which seemed about the ideal non-DSLR-shape m43 size/weight to me (only 13% lighter than my GH4).
Also a base ISO of 200 suggests they couldn't make the pixels hold that many electrons, it'll be interesting to see what DXO make of it.
Base 200 has been par for the course for a while...
Impulses: Does IBIS not work at all with non-Panasonic lenses or is it the combination of IBIS+OIS that doesn't? I'm fine with the latter tbh, it's somewhat understandable... There seems to be very little talk of IBIS sans OIS tho.
Is there an EFC or has the faster sensor readout mitigated rolling shutter effects enough to not need EFC? (doubtful)
Does the exposure compensation dial and exp compensation itself work in conjunction with Auto ISO in Manual mode? Would love to have an answer to all these before August and general availability.
Also, if IBIS isn't used at all for video even at 1080p, can we assume it's not used during the 4K Photo modes either? Is it active during image composition? I'll love you long time if you can answer even half of these Richard. :P
Also, is thickness measured from eye cup to end of grip? I'm guessing as much from the photos, it's still thicker than the GX7 was but possibly not thicker than something like the E-M5 II (and obviously shorter sans EVF hump). Still longer than either, seems their sealed and articulated display arm right below the EVF might be the culprit there...
bluevellet: I'm surprised the EVF magnification is so big and they kept it swivel too. Essentially, this camera seems to have everything I want in a camera, it's just a bit too big for me: I use mostly small primes with m43, not contant aperture zooms, so larger body size is counter productive in my case.
But I'm still interested to see how some of that GX8 tech trickles down to the GM series. I really those tiny bodies.
It's bigger than I wanted, I was fine with the GX7's size and I like the fact that something like the GX7 or my GF6 actually fit in my bag together WITH my GM1... GX8 might be large enough to prevent that, still sorely tempted by it tho.
1. is IBIS available in video mode?2. is auto iso available in M mode?3. is (when put in) external mic blocking screen?4. is it real multi aspect sensor?5. If you can ask Pany: are they planing Post Focus firmware for this model?
1. No, it's done in software or thru OIS.2. All recent Panasonics have it so I'm sure it does. Question is whether exposure compensation is also available in M.3. Why would it? Unless the screen is very thick or you're using an unnecessarily thick cable, I see plenty of clearance in the photo.4. They didn't make any mention of multi aspect sensors, dunno why people keep bringing it up, it just isn't very practical in today's market.5. The other article states an update will indeed come to the GX8 later in year for that....