El Pix: Spectacle wearers (and others): don't forget a small, watchmakers screwdriver to tighten those little screws that always seem to come loose at the worst possible times!
That's news to me, I've been traveling with one on my bag and it's never been an issue... You can hardly wield it as a weapon tho, it's barely longer than a toothpick (unscrews in segments to reveal the various tips) and as thin as a ballpoint pen ink tube.
Stealthy Ninja: I live in Hong Kong. People here love phones. iPhone 5s/c is really easy to find, just not as popular as they used to be. I mean maybe the Mainland Chinese will buy them up, but locals don't really buy Apple that much anymore.
The other day at a shop 5 people were all buying a Note 3 at the same time. Samsung is by far the most popular brand here.
Nokia and Sony might have better cameras, but those brands aren't very popular.
Is it an American thing to idolise the iPhone? I mean it gets a lot of attention on this site.
" Samsung sells more total phones, helped by the fact it has numerous models at all price ranges. The iPhone has been the most popular single model (though, now two models). There are more iPhone cameras out there than any other camera in existence. "
That kinda marketing talk could be ripped straight from an Apple ad... There's always been multiple models, just because they changed the shell of the outgoing model for the first time this year (purely to save costs, which weren't passed forward to the consumer) doesn't change anything. They've been selling the previous one or two models at reduced costs for years now, models that often have distinctly different camera specs.
Clumping all iPhones together and comparing that against any single year model from other OEMs is Apple RDF at it's classic best, trying to obfuscate the fact that they've been losing marketshare and mindshare for a while. It's good PR, fuzzy math. You either draw the line at the OS and compare IPhone numbers vs Android numbers (though that's of little value at DPR), or you'd have to look at specific year models (e.g. IPhone 5c vs SGS3 etc).
Apple's always had a lower end model or two, they were just recycling older hardware whole hog for that purpose before. The only real advantage Samsung (or any other OEM) has in that regard is that they're willing to pursue the sub-$100 on contract market, I'm sure that translates somehow to full off contract prices in places like Europe where paying full price is more common...
Apple will never go after the lowest tier market regardless of what so called analysts would say or hope for... They were similarly calling for a sub-$1K laptop from Apple back during the height of the netbook days and it never materialized. In fact, the only semi-cheap devices Apple sells are the Apple TV and the Mac mini. Even the IPod shuffle is like 2-3x the price of your average SanDisk Clip or whatever.
Apple's always been about selling premium hardware that allows them to charge top dollar and maximize profits, even before the iPhone. Any other endeavors (iTunes, apps, Apple TV) were really born out of the opportunity to sell even more premium hardware (more iPods, phones, tablets). Their whole marketing drive revolves around this, you sell premium products by putting the brand first. Ergo, instilling the kind of group think that tag lines like your post display.
I don't really have a problem with any of it tbh, it's just good marketing in the end... Intel has generally tried to work off a similar principle (albeit with less brilliant marketing, but there's only so much you can do to sell bare silicon on the shoulders of other OEMs). The only time they went after the low end (Atom) was to avoid someone else from grabbing that market and to prevent it from canibalizing their high end (then they let Atom stagnate for 5 years).Eventually ARM came along and forced Intel to lower profits on certain parts far lower than they ever have (Atom on Win 8 tablets costs OEMs a fraction of what it used to). Eventually that point is gonna come for Apple and what they do then will determine whether they keep their 30%+ market share or whether iOS devices go the way of Macs, either way they'd probably survive.
This is all pretty irrelevant to much of DPR's readers tho. Apple's software policies are their only real turn me off for me, and that's much more relevant for Connect, since mobile photography is increasingly as much about the software used as the device or logo on the back of it.
Irata: If you want the real story about the attack rather than the watered down excuse that comes out of Adobe read the details here:
It turns out the "sophisticated" attack was just Adobe's own unpatched software.
They establish that's a possibility but didn't say for certain... Either way, it can and has happen to any company, it's just kind of ironic that this would happen to Adobe because of their own software and while in the midst of the CC backslash.
The bigger revelation in that article is that the attack actually happened 2-6 WEEKS ago (there's two contradictory statements, at least the way I read it), and that Adobe was semi-clueless about the severity until the article's writer contacted them... At best it seems like they were aware but were trying to keep it hush. That's absolutely the worst possible way of handing a debacle like this.
It can happen to anyone, and at the end of the day it has little to do with cloud computing itself (the cloud might put you slightly more at risk but proper security layers like 2-step authentication can largely mitigate that), not being honest with costumers is by far a bigger issue IMO. I'd be far more trusting of a company that reacts faster, issues notifications in a matter of days etc (and plenty have done so under similar circumstances).
Honestly, the fact that this happened doesn't surprise me and wouldn't dissuade me from using CC, the fact that Adobe's handling it so poorly is far more newsworthy and DPReview should consider updating the post or following up with additional details.
Not forcing a password reset on next login is another huge gaffe on their part that only helps to empower the criminals that are already profiting from this. If Adobe doesn't compensate their costumers appropriately for their troubles (beyond the one year credit monitoring) I'd say they get an F for thhandling of the situation, which to me counts for more than the actual breach.
Apple has very strong cult following in the USA, always has (even before the IPhone), and the media does seen to love giving them attention (I imagine it sells, from an ads/clicks point of view)... But I wouldn't say it's an American thing to idolize Apple, at this point Android phone sales far eclipse Apple's in the US (like much of the world)... I wouldn't necessarily say DPR gives them that much more extra attention either, they review most noteworthy flagship phones in very much the same way.
Boky: excellent camera, no doubt an revolutionary development by Sony with impressive IQ. Two main complains, though:
1. (way) too big. It is not really pocketable. What is it then? 2. yellow overcast (minor issue, but annoying one that requires fair amount of time to correct)
The best thing is that Canon will finally have to release the good stuff... wonder what S120 will be capable of...? Would be happy if it comes close enough to RX100II. I'll always sacrifice a bit of performance for a true pocketability - hence the reason I'm still using S90 on-the-go; it fits in a shorts' or shirt's pocket with ease. This should be Sony's main design concern; at least it is the most important MUST in my book of NEEDs.
Nevertheless, RX100II deserves Gold Award - that's a simple fact. Coming to think of Awards... ... maybe dPreview reserved a Gold Award for S120? Everything's possible these days.
I hope you're kidding, the S120 is a very mildly refreshed S110... With a price hike.
Sirandar: A 79$ upgrade price is most unfortunate considering what you actually get and that Adobe never patches the bugs in PE they just release a new version for 79$..... I normally wait a few iterations and get it on special. An upgrade from 9 or 10 should be much cheaper ..... and a lot of the time the new stuff doesn't work well.
Yea Elements is a better value on sale, and it's not hard to catch it on sale a few times a year (just subscribe to Newegg/Adobe's/etc deals emails)... The Premier Elements + PSE deal pack for like $100 is hard to beat if you need a decent video editor too.
Betarover: No 64 bit for PC users. Adobe knows 64 bit support is needed by some of us because they give the reason when they say the MAC version has it:
64-bit support for Mac – Allows for more efficient use of your computers’ built in memory, maximizing performance and enabling larger image files and videos to be edited quickly.
I see no reason to upgrade from my elements 9. I do large panoramas and without 64 bit support I often run out of RAM. So I guess to get 64 bit I have to either subscribe to Photoshop or try the competition (Paintshop Pro). What a huge marketing risk by adobe because I, and others, may try and really like the 64 bit Paintshop Pro. If so, it is goodby Adobe. The Paintshop Pro folks must be celebrating this, in my opinion, marketing mistake, this embrace of MAC users, and this slap in the face for PC users. Am I wrong?
I'd like a 64-bit PC version (and so would the 16GB of RAM on my desktop) but I ain't losing any sleep over it nor am I overly concerned with trying any alternatives, Elements just works fine for my purposes... As it is, I only upgrade Elements every other version and I often wait until one of those Premier Elem + PSE deals for $100. Now if the Elements products or LR ever go to the cloud service model, you can bet I'll bail.
jose vu: I am very impressed with the panorama capability of iphone5, actually I'm surprised that it works much better (in panorama mode) than all of my sony camera (5N + some compacts) ... If only the screen were larger ....
Better how? The dynamic exposure is an improvement for sure, but outside of that Sony's Panos are pretty comparable (as far as stitching, ease of use, etc)... Plus with a NEX you can shoot them at any focal length and aperture, which is just as huge as dynamic exposure (which you could always sorta do in post).
Not trying to knock the 5s, but Sony's been doing impressive panos for a while and they popularized the whole sweep method to begin with.
Tonkotsu Ramen: Compacts are done.
Several smartphones already provide 3-5 on that list and I'm sure other items will get checked off soon... Cheap compacts are definitely done for, they should've been done for ages ago. Camera manufacturers largely sandbagged the compact market for years. First they went on a pointless MP race, then they flooded the market with countless budget models that had few distinctive features, and then came the travel zoom focal length race...
If Canon, Nikon, Sony and even Oly/Panasonic had a larger ratio of truly interesting models like the RX100, S1xx series, LF1/LX series, etc their P&S sales wouldn't be tanking... Instead they each of them has one or two models like that (usually at $400+ unless it's been out a while) and literally over a dozen cheap P&S with very few redeeming qualities.
The market stagnated basically, and that's the onlyreason that a value add feature on a completely different product managed to crush the low end camera market in a matter of 2-3 years. It would've happened to some degree regardless (just like fewer people carry watches or use alarm clocks), but the camera manufacturers didn't do themselves any favors.
If they were a bit more forward thinking they'd be selling a much bigger volume of advanced compacts with RAW, faster lenses etc... Possibly at lower price points, but sheer volume would make up for it and it's not like it'd affect their high end sales either way.
Rosember: The theatre pano is a true stunner. I have looked at and worked on it in Aperture - and the quality is breathtaking (i.e., for a small sensor device). This together with the ease of producing such a shot really impresses me. Not the ultimate quality of course, yet good enough for 95 % of what I shoot. Well done, Apple.
Honestly tho, if you're gonna take the time to line up shots manually for latter stitching/processing you might as well just use a better camera (and/or a tripod)... I'm not trying to knock what you're suggesting, a lot of people wouldn't carry another camera regardless; a lot of people can't be arsed to line up multiple shots either tho, hence why quick sweep panos caught on. (thanks to Sony I think?)
Artistico: It's better than the performance of many a compact camera. An iPhone truly eliminates the need for a low-end compact for snapshots, and I do believe that at times, you can get a shot with an iPhone that you simply couldn't with a bigger camera, either because it's always with you, or because it's unintrusive and doesn't cause a change in your subject's behaviour before you get the picture, as particularly large cameras with big lenses do have a tendency to do at times.
It might just be my next phone. I just have to wear out, lose or accidentally break my current one first...
I don't see what the big deal is... I read the article out of curiosity, even tho I couldn't care less how great the iOS pano mode is or isn't (or even how it stacks up comparatively) because iOS just doesn't suit my daily needs... But at the same time, I certainly don't find it off putting that DPR has published said content, Connect or otherwise.
It's not like my finger's gonna wither and die if I need to scroll past an extra Apple story I have no time for. Btw I'm pretty sure the dynamic exposure is somewhat innovative but I'd love to find out if another phone or P&S has a sweep mode that incorporates a similar trick...
maxnimo: Wide-angle-lens panoramas are mostly useless unless you're into goofy art. Image distortions are beyond ridiculous. Plain silly.
What's the equivalent focal length for the iPhone 5s lens, like 29mm? Most P&S will lock the lens around there or even wider, I guess that's a nice upside of shooting panos with mirrorless models or any ILC/DSLR in general.
Just another Canon shooter: The iphone can finally take panoramas as any other phone? Good to know.
Y'all sound pretty foolish, please tell some of you were just being ironic and reenacting bad fanboy stereotypes... It's not like panos are new to iOS either, they've been available for like a year no?
I do think the dynamic exposure is pretty well executed tho... Certainly seems to cope with varying lighting conditions better than my older Sony HX5. Couldn't tell ya how it compares to the three Android phones I've had since I rarely take panos with them (big Android fan tho), and I haven't tested my Panasonic LF1 enough either.
Denton Taylor: The lack of an external charger is annoying but if you can afford $750 for a camera you can afford to go to ebay and get a charger and a few spare batteries for next to nothing. That's what i did with my RX100.
A charger would run you like $10... I agree it's a bit offensive to omit it at this price point, BUT I'd rather they do that than not feature the ability to charge in-camera... It may not seem useful for some but it's a great addition for many as it allows you to charge off regular car chargers and USB battery packs.
white shadow: Sony is Sony. They make very good point and shoot cameras with rather unfriendly user interface. That culture still seem to continue.
If you are looking for a p&s with good image quality, this is it. But they will overload the camera with too many "features" you may never use, just to be impressive.
Handling is a problem too for many. The soap-like design with fiddly controls can put many off.
The lack of a separate charger for such an expensive camera is a big disappointment to me.
Ultimately, Sony is Sony again. The price is way above for what it is. If one think it is still worth it, it is a good camera to have. At least it is still cheaper than a Leica. But Sony is not Leica. One can get the Lumix GF6 for much less and it will take give the owner much more satisfaction.
However, if one need a really pocketable which is not much bigger than the Canon S120, then this is it. For me, I would rather carry the Canon S120 for half the price.
For more serious shooting, use a 5D Mk2.
Well, the GF6 would never fit in a pants pocket even with a prime pancake, and in-body charging is hardly peculiar to Sony... Panasonic and several others have gone down the same road.
Frankly I think that's a silly complaint, you always have the option of buying a separate charger but in-camera charging adds versatility as it makes it easier to charge in the car or on the go with USB battery packs!
The value proposition is a more subjective matter, tho I think ya have a point... But until Sony has a direct competitor they can charge whatever for it. I split the difference and got an LF1 for <$500. :P
It's a pretty clever idea, almost makes you wonder why no one thought of it earlier, except some old school feature phones pulled off the same trick (with admittedly inferior cameras and versatility). Whatever cost the swivel mechanism adds is probably offset by the savings earned off one less camera module, same for the internal space.
Some would argue it'll be a lot more fragile if dropped (depending on angle) but I think it could be worth it, even seems useful for shooting video.
sensibill: The UI is fiddly and various shooting restrictions are annoying, but my primary user complaint is how super tiny the thing is. Did it really need to be this small? Could've made it a bit wider and incorporated a proper control wheel. The X20 (for less money) blows this away in terms of ergonomics and style. The AG-R1 grip is mandatory, so is a leather case.
In the RX100M2's defense, it does take unbelievable images. I'd say this is more than a full stop above where Micro 4/3 was in the 12MP days, easily. I'd bet the 1" 20.1MP gives the new 16MP models a real challenge, too.
I find the WiFi almost useless. Sure, you can send images to your phone with no problem, but the images get resampled down. Sending to PC involves dealing with firewall and UDP issues, and while I was able to connect, the transfer itself is slow, and there's no automation ala smartphones sending to DB. To do that, you might as well load it off SD or USB cable.
Well, generally when you're sending to a smartphone it's for immediate sharing so it's likely it'd get downsampled anyway... Although I agree, if they're going thru the trouble of building in Wifi/NFC and developing the app they might as well hist give people the option.
I don't know if the review's comment about NFC pairing been smoother than other's implementation was a dig at Panasonic's effort (who else is doing NFC?); I admit the latter is occasionally fiddly and the difference in pairing during capture and pairing for instant transfer during playback is initially confusing, as is remembering to open the app first...
At least Panasonic gives you the option to do full res transfers tho, not to mention a lot more control while in remote control. Now if they'd only put out an uber LX7 replacement with Wifi and a 1" sensor...
Impulses: Why are people complaining that the swivel display makes it chunkier? Is 2mm really the straw that breaks the camel's back? It's thick for a pocket cam, but the new display didn't change that significantly... Could it be thinner without it? Maybe, but then there'd be people asking for a touchscreen instead (pretty sure it was mentioned once already here) which also contributes to thicknesses.
It can't be all things to all people... Sony oughta consider replacing both models next year tho. RX150: as slim as possible and still $600 (price ain't coming down until it's got some competition sensor-wise at the same size), RX200: enthusiast focused model with hotshoe, swivel display, and maybe even a built in EVF, maybe a bit larger, $700-800.
Then they can please everybody and they're poised to scale the price of the low end model if any serious competitors show up without sacrificing any on the high end model. I'd buy a slightly slimmer low end model in a heartbeat.
Did they fix the annoying lag when first zooming in during playback mode btw? Bugged the hell out of me when I tried the original, and zooming during playback was generally fine, it was just that one delay when you first zoomed in... Much more annoying than the divide between stills and video, that's somewhat subjective (tho having the option to have it either way would be best).
Why are people complaining that the swivel display makes it chunkier? Is 2mm really the straw that breaks the camel's back? It's thick for a pocket cam, but the new display didn't change that significantly... Could it be thinner without it? Maybe, but then there'd be people asking for a touchscreen instead (pretty sure it was mentioned once already here) which also contributes to thicknesses.
Hubertus Bigend: It's a shame that manufacfurers keep thinking people don't need viewfinders anymore. It may be the case, of course, that people really don't need viewfinders anymore. I sincerely hope, though, that many people will buy Panasonic's LF1, the only enthusiast-small-compact camera with built-in viewfinder at this point of time, which, by the way, also has at least a minimum of telephoto capability (200 mm eq.). Why doesn't the LF1 get reviewed, by the way? I think it's the most interesting compact camera on the market today (alongside its Leica branded sibling).
(As for the "award", I couldn't care less, but on the other hand I wonder why cameras without viewfinders get rewards at all ;-)
I imagine the P&S market in general doesn't much care about viewfinders since they were weaned off them ages ago, and the newer generations (born into modern smartphone use) were never even exposed to them. Then on the opposite end of the spectrum, enthusiasts' opinion of EVFs vs optical viewfinders are still pretty divided... And it probably wasn't very cost effective to slap even a low res EVF unto a pocketable camera until a few years ago.
I actually bought myself an LF1 so I guess that much might make ya happy, tho the EVF wasn't amongst the top three reasons why I got it. Zoom range/aperture, size, and Wifi/NFC implementation would probably top the list for me... And the price was just about what I was willing to pay for a pocket camera (if I could get an RX100 II for $600 I'd probably choose that, but at $750 it's a bit much).
I've used the EVF on the LF1 a bit and I can appreciate it's handy to have (it made it easier to take stable shots while zoomed in on a concert), but I'm also seriously thinking of now getting a M43 model sans an EVF, so what do I know... :P