I think the concept is interesting, but the execution is confusing... If the general consumer can't be bothered to carry an advanced compact or P&S in addition to their phone, how on earth would you convince them to carry these things which are far less pocket friendly?? They kind of fail at their most basic purpose IMO...
Maybe if they had stuck a prime lens on the high end model and a shorter 5x zoom on the low end model to make them more pocket friendly I could see the point. The price wouldn't even be too bad as is... They'll probably still sell, I'm not sure the novelty will hold for long tho.
I guess the size isn't too much of a concern for those who carrypurses on a daily basis, so in that sense getting the IQ of an RX100 for less $ is a decent deal, seems like kind of a small niche tho (women who want better photos and are willing to pay $500 for more seamless sharing despite the numerous tradeoffs).
They should honestly just try to advertise more the Wifi/NFC features of the RX100 II and their other compacts (as should Panasonic), it's a pretty desirable feature set that a whole lot of people are totally oblivious to.
jcmarfilph: Why create something that would join the rubbish word of Photography? There is nothing to compete in there, just create a toy that will take snapshot and share it instantly if that is really needed. As for me, I would buy a phone and use it for phone calls, and buy a real camera for my photography.
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...much to the chagrin of the DP crowd.
There's already more portable ways of sharing "RX100-grade" photos instantly though... You can either buy a newer model with Wifi/NFC built in, or you can hook up your RX100 to most Android phones with a 3 inch USB OTG cable and just select the pictures you wanna share from any file manager or file selection/attachment dialog. Probably takes less time than attaching this lens to your phone, and it certainly fits inside a pocket better.
I like the concept, just not the execution... I actually think the lower end model has more potential to woo the smartphone crowd just because the smaller size, lower price, and longer zoom will all grab their attention more than the RX100 sensor; mooch to
It's cheaper than an RX100 II, sure, but it's also less pocket friendly and way less versatile... At least the lower end model shoots for some semblance of portability. I guess if I carried a purse on a daily basis I'd be intrigued, the price is sorta right, but I just don't see the appeal.
If I want something portable I'll slip an RX100 (or an SD110, or an LF1) in my right pocket and the phone in my left, sharing is still cake over wifi and I get far more control (not to mention battery life). If I'm gonna carry a bag or sling it over my shoulder I'll grab a NEX, M43, DSLR, etc.
moris: Non-removable battery??? These phones crash and you can reset only by removing battery. Sometimes you need an extra battery also. Very strange for Nokia doing this!!!Your review conclusion misses this point.. Too bad..
Yeah for traveling I think I'd still prefer a removable battery, just because you endure lots of downtime so there's ample opportunity to swap out batteries... That's about the only time I ever used my spare batteries with my first two HTC smartphones.
The hassle of removing the case and rebooting was just too much for daily use tho (when I rarely need it, as each successive phone I've bough has been more power efficient). I've gotten along just fine with a USB battery pack ever since getting a phone with a sealed battery.
There's packs in the $25-35 range (search for Anker on Amazon) in all sorts of sizes and capacities, everything from a cigar shaped cylinder to a phone sized slab that's good for more than two full charges of your typical high end phone.
People that hold on to their phone for 3+ years or who absolutely can't get by most days on a single charge would definitely still benefit from removable batteries tho, but Samsung seems to be the only OEM still going that route.
Jogger: I'll stick with my RX100 and Nokia 620.. far better image/video quality without the cellphone contract, and it wont be obsolete in 6 months.
While I personally still prefer Android and don't mind carrying an advanced compact in my other pocket (Panasonic LF1 atm), Nokia's phones have actually been tempting me to try WP from time to time and the camera on the 1020's particularly tempting... WP's still a bit limited for my usage tho but I'm glad MS is still in the fight.
zodiacfml: Nokia, this is too expensive.
I think the price is high but not necessarily because it isn't worth it, but because WP has a massive market share to make up against iOS & Android and flagship phones priced this high isn't gonna help matters... Specially not when Android's iterated so quickly that last May's hot releases (like the One) can already be found for $50.
Dominick101: The writer kept praising its large sensor and kept re-emphasizing how downsampling helped in improving quality but made no mention of the comparative results against its predecessor which did better in all these aspects. Funny thing is that the 808 is being shown on the first page and the ending word kinda' implies that the 1020 is a better camera than the 808 without even a single comparative shot -- they are clearly trying to downplay the 808 without even a single proof that the 1020 can do better. Without a doubt, this article is biased and DP has lost its credibility as of late.
Pretty much, the 808 is irrelevant to most consumers, kinda like Symbian.
Umm, almost every single phone that has a sealed battery also has a key combination (power + volume down etc) that will reset it if it crashes (which should be quiterare, unless WP is vastly less stable than iOS/Android), USB battery packs are pretty cheap too and often more convenient than swapping the battery (no need to interrupt what you're doing, power down, reboot, etc).
Now if you had said that a sealed battery limits the phone's useful lifetime or argued that somehow your heavy usage case outstrips what any phone can handle off one charge, then you'd have an argument. The industry in general seems to be moving towards sealed batteries tho, might wanna vote with your dollar and buy Samsung I guess.
tjdean01: I got my first phone 15 years ago. As time has gone on I've gotten older and have texted less and less (mass texting [called "mail" then] started in fall 1999), yet battery life has gotten worse and worse. Still, the KIND of person who always has a dead phone can be stereotyped by a flaky, rushed personality. If you turn the phone OFF at night while charging, dim screen, and keep WiFi, GPS, 4G, and FB and other programs OFF when not using them, you'll DOUBLE battery life. And people who stop to get a 10 min power-up should turn phone OFF while doing so to approximately double the juice going into the battery. The battery should never sit in a hot car. And should NEVER be allowed to drop below 5% person. THIS person needs this product. I's cool, yet I still don't see how this is better than a 6" USB cord in your purse or pocket.
Whole lot of generalizations and math pulled out of the ether up in there... I can easily eke out 12-18 hrs of standby time with 4-5 hours of screen-on time within that and I don't even have a current gen phone (first gen Krait/S4 from a year ago). Battery life IS getting better on newer phones. I've got plenty of crap syncing and the only thing I ever turn off is Wifi (which actually consumes less power than 3g when available anyway). GPS takes up zero power unless you have a rogue app constantly pinging it. The people that need to turn off a million things can be characterized as those that have already lost control of their device and are trying to regain it by brute force... ;)
Hint: stuff that uses proper push and scheduling protocols has minimal battery impact, apps that follow dumb sync schedules and wake the phone every X minutes regardless of what other apps are doing are what will kill your battery life... Outside of that, it's mostly the display and/or searching in low signal areas that will get ya tho.
Most phones can easily charge fully in 2-3 hours even if they're turned on... Bumming power off chargers not designed for your phone (iPhone vs Android pin bridging, BC1.2 etc) or PC USB ports can be 2-3x slower than normal charging with the stock charger tho. I do agree that a short/thin 1ft cable (search for Startech on Amazon if USB) takes up less space than this doohickey, but if you're always running out regardless (no judging, some people simply use the phone more, shocker!) then you're better off getting a power bank (search Anker on Amazon, good value compared to others, tons of size choices).
Silvarum: If he forgot to take along Lightning cable, what makes him think that he won't forget to take this ChargeCard?
Initially they skirt the EU rule by including a 20-pin to USB adapter (or micro USB, I forget), so you could use any old USB cable and charger rather than their 20-pin cable. No clue if that changed after they moved to the Lightning port, if the EU was serious about standardization they would've fined them to hell for not migrating to microUSB if they were abandoning 20-pin...
The only redeeming factor to the Lightning connector over USB is the fact that you can't plug it in upside down. I find the EU's meddling in the matter rather draconian and almost as bad as Apple's insistence on proprietary connectors, but they didn't even have the stones to really enforce the whole deal properly.
Why not simply create a news section on the forums and create a thread for every news post there... Then just simply link each article to it's respective thread and direct comments there. It's more conducive to follow up and productive conversation than a simplified comment system IMO. (I can't take credit, some sites I really enjoy so this, like oldschool CPU/GPU review and news site HardOCP)
I think that kinda approach really cuts down on the flame bait drive-by kinda comments (not to mention the commercial spam, though it seems you guys handle that quite well) and encourages more discussion amongst regulars. Falling that, I think a downrank system that hides comments that are voted down would also help (even Amazon uses this for their review comments).
The NFC/Wifi implementation in recent Sony/Panasonic compacts and M43s is all I really need... Easy pairing (just tap), good remote capabilities, excellent photo browsing from the phone's bigger display (where it's easier to share with other apps anyway). What more do you want? Those Sony sensor/lens units are interesting but not very practical.
None of the hybrid or crossover designs really give me a reason to diverge from either carrying just my phone or my phone plus a solid but well connected camera (whether it's a DSLR, M43, w/e). Samsung's Android based cameras hold some promise but unless they open them up and release some API they're throwing much of the potential from Android away.
utomo99: Now instead of buying the Canon S120. I might consider to buy panasonic LF1. Especially when the price going down.
I wish Canon releasing better products.
To me it's a no brainer, either get the LF1 over the S120 or get the S110 if you wanna save yourself $100+... I went with the former, rather glad I didn't wait around for the S120 announcement. The S110 is still a solid buy for $350 or less tho.
peevee1: Fight - Canon G16 vs Panasonic LF1.
They're not really the same class of camera... S120 vs LF1 (no contest IMO, get the older S if you're pinching pennies tho) or LX7 vs G16 would be more appropriate.
Jogger: Just goes to show the engineering marvel that is the RX100/M2 if other manufacturers are still putting smaller sensors in larger bodies, without flipscreens or hotshoes.
The RX100Mk2 is larger than the original which itself was larger than any of the Canon S models... The difference isn't monumental but the RX100Mk2 is now thick enough so as not to fit into some of the pockets that the S line can fit into... I imagine it's got more to do with the swivel display and the hotshoe than the sensor size tho.
The RX100s also pack shorter lenses...
There's definitely room for improvement on the S110/120 form factor even if you ignore sensor size though. Panasonic's LF1 is just about the same size and it packs in an EVF plus a longer 200mm lens that still starts at f/2. Maybe Sony will get really gutsy and release a slimmed down RX90 or something at one point...
It sure doesn't look like any of the other manufacturers wanna compete with the RX100 tho.
Lallous: I am quite disappointed to see that the S120 still does not offer a Panorama mode. Panasonic, Sony and Nikon and many others offer Panorama mode, but for whatever reason, Canon still does not. Canon will have you do a cumbersome and time consuming software stitch to create a Panorama, instead of an automated camera built-in hardware Panorama stitch. This is a deal breaker for me.
Stitching is actually ridiculously simple on a PC if you use something like MS ICE, like, two click simple... But I agree, the average consumer isn't gonna bother and it's silly ether they haven't incorporated a much easier to use sweep mode like just about everyone else, I loved having it on my Sony travel zoom I'm enjoying it just as much on my Panasonic LF1 (>>> S120).
M Jesper: S120 controls unchanged? The buttons are huge ! That, or the camera is smaller, and/or the screen is bigger. The screen border that is, which makes sense for a touchscreen.
Just checked, the S110 is actually 99 x 59 x 27 mm (3.9 x 2.32 x 1.06″). Actual LCD image area still 3″.
Going by the specs, the display size is the same and the S110 already had a touchscreen so nothing should have changed on that end... They did make the S120 slightly larger, but it's a very slight increase...
The buttons do look bigger on it tho, I think it's a combination of a slightly larger circumference (look like there's barely no space between them) and the fact that they're now bulbous/raised, they used to be very flat and almost sunk like a millimeter into the body.
They should be easier to press, dunno that it'll make much of a difference since you'd usually be looking at those buttons when pressing them anyway... I guess it helps those with fat fingers.
springsnow: I have mixed feelings about these Canon. I like Canon cameras in general. Love my S100. I was hoping that the S120 would be priced more aggressively, although I guess Canon can still get away with charging $450 simply because Sony is charging $650 for the RX100.
I don't know, Panasonic's DMC-LF1 is the same size but it has a longer 200mm lens that starts at f/2, and it has a sweep pano mode, and an EVF, and better battery life, etc... LF1's $50 more if you go by MSRP, I thought it was slightly overpriced compared to a $350+ S110 and the RX100, so that would make the mildly refreshed S120 very overpriced.
Babya: Canon Japan page says the S120 has a peaking function in MF focus mode:http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fcweb.canon.jp%2Fcamera%2Fdcam%2Flineup%2Fpowershot%2Fs120%2Ffeature-mode.html
Interesting, who would really bother with MF often enough on an S120 as to make it relevant tho? It does have touchscreen tho so I imagine focus pulling with it can be pretty easy.