Adrian Van: Always wondered what happened with Sony's TV sales. They used to be perceived as the number one premium product in TV. Samsung now doing extremely well in TV and phone, plus tablette.Sony TVs are still selling I see and still a great product, but Samsung has great sales record in recent times for most of its products, and choice of many.Is it aggressive sales on LED TVs by Samsung plus its high quality tech at good prices? Who has the best tech or sales in TV now - Samsung or Sony? Either one is still a great product, perhaps comes down to best bang for the buck or the value, which makes a difference to consumer. Overall I still like Sonys products.
Sony seems to have taken the lead in the highest quality "mirrorless" category, in A7x, it would appear, plus their great sensors.
Pioneer had the best TV tech (in plasmas), then Panasonic, then Samsung, then they all stopped making plasmas... :p LG's were never great. The future is apparently OLED, where LG has been making headway (at stratospheric prices), tho we've been hearing that for years... Looks more credible now tho. Sony's current LCD line is amongst the best, still an LCD tho and smaller companies like Vizio as well as larger ones like Samsung have eroded their sales.
Rooru S: A year ago, Mobile Phones were considered one of three Core/focus for Sony...now they're thinking about selling it. Wondering what will come next.
Mobile has been struggling for a while, it's been years since they cracked the US market and buying it all back from Ericsson didn't seem to help.
photofisher: Looking at this big glass, I'm glad I went m43. Not the absolute best in IQ but perfect size. The cost and size are probably worth it for pros but not for me.
It's apples and oranges really, I'm happy with M4/3 (just bought my 7th and possibly last lens in fact) but if I was swimming in cash I'd also have an A7 and some of the smaller primes... That 28mm f2 looks pretty nice.
Take one Oly Air...Add drone...?Profit. :p
Pretty much everything about it was leaked pre-launch... I'm mildly interested, my two "must haves" for a new small M4/3 body would've been improved C-AF and 4K video, and neither is present here... BUT if they improved video IQ enough then the prospect of that plus IBIS (for my primes) would be appealing, as is the multi shot high res mode.
I do prefer rangefinder style bodies and flip screens over fully articulated ones tho... Hopefully there's a GX8 around the corner that marks off more of my wishlist. I'm glad to see Oly added an EFC shutter to combat shutter shock tho, along with an electronic shutter option... I'm assuming it can be used at speeds other than 1/16000 no?
That's one of the cooler features on newer Panasonic bodies, probably third on my wishlist for a new body.
Rolfens: Oh wow Olympus finally innovating. About time we see something tempting and modern from them.Not sure about that 40mp thing. It sure is an interesting innovation and illustrates how precise the IS is. But when you think of it, it's like HDR but only worse (hey why not combine HDR while we're at it?). Would be interesting to see what weird artifacts show up when you shoot a moving subject with that.Plus most lenses barely resolve up to the 16mp sensor.You want proper 40mp? Go rent a medium format Phase One back with a Carl Zeiss lens. It will probably cost as much as buying the OM-D E-M5-II.That's one thing more: is this seriously the name of the camera? Sounds like it's getting a bit long.Overall good news, I have to say.
You wouldn't use it for moving subjects obviously, and a lens wouldn't have to resolve any more than it already does for each individual capture...
Mssimo: Can this camera shoot Raw in high res mode and I would guess a totally new algorithm would be needed. Do we expect adobe to support it?
Read the article? It states it'll shoot 64M RAWs.
Interesting concept, I'm sure there'll be some novel uses for it (like astro etc, see other comments), obviously not a mass market product tho... Dunno why another commenter stated it might be "for the teens", if a teenager hasn't bought an ILC he's certainly not gonna buy a lens and a mini camera module just because it features remote control.
I still maintain that the QX concept would've been a whole lot more interesting if Sony had released smaller models with prime lenses rather than zooms.
The 1" sensor model was LESS pocketable than an RX100, so cost was it's only upside... Package the same thing with a thin 30-40mm equivalent pancake tho (like the M4/3 17/2.8 or 20/1.7), a focal length smartphone users are already used to, and simply pitch it as a pocketable upgrade to your phone's camera and I'm sure there'd be a market.
It'd sort of be more like a modular attachment rather than this elephant trunk hanging from your phone. Maybe Oly will get there eventually if this proves popular...
I wonder what they paid those guys and what the half dozen photogs that do the swimsuit issue earn... ;p
Peiasdf: If all you plan to do is use the kit lens RX100 and G7X are far better choices. In fact, my G7X with the "slow" option under auto-ISO amazes me with its IQ and IS.
Yeah, the super-compacts won't beat m4/3 or APS-C with fast primes or good zooms but those lenses are $500+ and requires an enthusiast to use.
The 14mm f2.5, 20mm f1.7, 25mm f1.8, and 45mm f1.8, can all be had for $250-350... Hardly $500/per. The 12/2, 15/1.7, and 17/1.8 are a little pricier but can still brr found under $500 during sales or returb. There's also the Sigma f2.8 primes, the 60mm in particular is quite a bargain. There's third party fisheyes for $200-250 too...
Impulses: Looks like a technical step forward but an ergonomic step back... It gained the current gen sensor and all that entails (e-shutter etc), but lost the more articulated screen of the GF6 along with the exposure compensation toggle and the more traditional (read: less limited) shutter mechanism.
Ironically, the GM shutter is probably why it went up in price, seems the design was largely driven by aesthetics/size, if it were just a little thicker but cheaper it'd make a more appealing entry level model IMO. The smaller kit lens is probably contributing to the price bump too.
Not knocking it btw, target market won't care about the shutter/exp comp and probably won't even notice the more limited screen movement (might even be more rugged which is an upgrade), they might even really like the electronic shutter, I know I would like the on my GF6.
Price isn't terrible in light of the competition but it's not very aggressive either, pretty sure the GF6 was cheaper at launch, tho it did come with a cheaper kit lens. Several Sony Alphas were way cheaper during the holidays but Panasonic prices always plummet quickly.
Looks like they're using the eyelet strap lugs across the range now, I thought the old DSLR like horizontal ones were more secure but again, something the target market won't care about. I'm using Peak QDs myself so the eyelet just makes them easier to thread (after dumping the split triangle).
Now, where art thou GX8? (with DFD/4K)
straylightrun: I don't understand why the retro like has spilled over into their mainstream entry camera line. That's kind of Fujis thing. They also already have the GM5 for that. They should have stuck with the modern look of the rest of the GF line.
Eh, the GF3/5 were too curvy, and the GF6 was like half retro half modern. I'm 32 and even tho I know the retro design is totally gimmicky I still dig it... /shrug
And it comes with a $375 lens. Not a bad deal, if you ask me.
Ehh, the 12-32 has been selling for $250-350... The MSRP was $350 IIRC. I paid a little under that before it was even released stateside and the flood of dekitted lenses started lowering the street price. I'd say the pricey or more complicated GM shutter probably contributed as much to the high price as the kit zoom...
The latter is an upgrade but the former is a downgrade, and there's several more ergonomic downgrades compared to the GF6 which was cheaper at launch. At least it does have the current gen sensor, would've been ridiculous otherwise. I think the price is fair, not a great deal, not terrible either.
If it drops quick it'll be better, the GF6 took like a year to drop by $100... It's a good thing Sony ended their holiday discounts or it'd look overpriced next to an A5100. Nothing against Panasonic btw, I like my GF6.
Markol: This sensor was anounced with the E-M5 almost exactly 3 years ago if I'm not mistaken. Isn't it time for something new?The camera is pqthetic, selfie-display or not. What's new about it? 4k would habe been at least something new and for a 600$ camera in 2015 isn't too much to ask, I think.Really disappointed.
It's not thy EM5 sensor, nor the first gen 16MP Pana sensor, it's their second/current gen 16MP sensor, the department of misinformation thanks you for your services tho.
elkhidir: Both Sony a5100 and Olympus E-PL7 are selling (quite well it seems) for that price. Both have "selfie" screens and lack viewfinders. If there's a market for it, there's nothing wrong with Panasonic getting in. For us consumers it will add to competition and push prices down.
Current displays are actually much more visible in sunlight than older ones... Older cameras had resistive touchscreen (if they had one) with more layers and lower quality displays, newer ones (at least the Panasonic I've handled) have displays more akin to a smartphone... They go way brighter and there's less of an air gap between the display and the outer layer, plus the touchscreen are capacitive.
My GF6 doesn't seem terribly hard to use in sunlight, yeah sometimes it's a little harder but it's never completely drowned out... That display does tilt up as well as down tho so it's a little more flexible. I can definitely live without an EVF tho, I use it way more at night or during indoor social occasions anyway. I've got an LF1 with an EVF and the only time I use it is to further steady long tele shots.
PeterTom: I do not shoot (many) selfies, but the flipping screen may be useful also for other purposes. It would be twice more useful (IMO) if it would not only flip but also rotate (swivel is the right word? the descriptions on DPReview name it "fully articulated").I shot many pictures in portrait orientation and many times I would like to have them shot easily from waist level or ground level without the need of doing additional gymnastics (with my current Canon Rebel).
But many m4/3 cameras have only flip screen.Actually, it seems that there the only m/4 cameras with "fully articulated" screen are the SLR-sized GH4 and G6 (and when I look for m4/3 I want to downsize my equipment).Why m4/3 cameras tend ignore the portrait orientation (how many of the current)?Would it be so much more complicated to make, for example, this screen fully articulated?
The G6 isn't exactly DSLR sized... Only DSLR as small as it is Canon's SL1, and that one doesn't have any kind of articulated screen. A G6 with a 14-140 is still smaller (or on par at worst) than the smartest DSLR with a 3x kit zoom. The GH4 is far bigger tho. The EM5 was even smaller than the G6 and rumor is it's successor will have a fully articulated screen tho.
Oh, forgot battery life too, another big ergo step back there... GF6 used the same pack as the GX7.
John van Stralen: Oh my oh my, what a lot of negatives I read here.To me it looks like a very nice camera that could be a nice addition to my Panasonic GF 6 which I liked using very much over the past few years.
So you don't like selfies, well ok but many do and when I see so many people, especially in Asian countries, enjoying so much to make them and more fun in posting them, well it brings a big smile to my face. And though I am not so young anymore I do enjoy making a selfie or so with friends once in a while, why not………But other than that a tilting screen for me is almost a must have on a modern camera, once you get used to it, it can become quite handy as the tilting screens on the GF6 and the Sony A7R showed me; to be honest I wouldn't buy a camera without it anymore………
Yes the GF 1 was also in my opinion the best they made, so if they bring a remake with a tilting screen I will buy it also, and it would not be so bad on the G7 also, if it might appear.
So that's my 2 eurocents for today.
You're been happy with your GF6 for yearS? It's only been out like a year and a half tops... :p I'm happy with mine too, tho I waffled between it and the GX7. I also only paid like $400 for it in Nov of 2013 tho, had I been forced to decide between a $600 GF and an $800-900 GX I probably would've just gone for the latter. Looking forward to a GX8 with 4K and DFD personally...
Looks like a technical step forward but an ergonomic step back... It gained the current gen sensor and all that entails (e-shutter etc), but lost the more articulated screen of the GF6 along with the exposure compensation toggle and the more traditional (read: less limited) shutter mechanism.
blue hour: Nice but it lacks 4K, therefore i'd rather choose the LX 100, which has also got a viewfinder.
Panasonic, where is the G 7, by the way ?
They didn't exactly disable 4K, if that really is the crux of your argument... Neither the GX7 nor any of the GMs had it, the GH4 does but that surely has a different processing engine. Plus, it's not like anyone else has an entry level ILC with 4K yet (maybe Samsung? I know Sony doesn't). Now, if they were to announce a GX8 without 4K, or the Sony A3xxx/A5xxx had 4K, I'd be raising my pitchfork with ya. I have a Nexus 5 too and it's video isn't that impressive, happy with it tho but I couldn't care less about it's camera.