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Marty4650: Looks like an absolutely stunning and mouth watering lens.

But it is a bit outside my budget. I will have to keep saving up for a used or refurbished Olympus 12mm f/2.0.

However.... if money were no object....

If you catch just the right combo of sale promo code + refurb outlet availability you can score the Oly for $384... I did, never would've paid $800 for it tho. I could see myself paying around $1,000 for the Panasonic IF I didn't have the Oly and the Panasonic went on sale, but what I really want right now is a fast/sealed 17mm or 18mm to complement my 20mm (and the AF quirks that keep it from being perfect for all situations).

Link | Posted on Jun 15, 2016 at 23:08 UTC
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QuarterToDoom: So many trying to justify those anchors around their necks with equivalency posts.

Once you slap a Batiss on the weight/size difference balloons tho... All these price arguments based around a few numbers are dumb tho, it's pointless to look at things in a vacuum. The M4/3 user that buys this might not buy a Batiss, they might buy an f2 or f2.8 FF lens instead... Great so go FF right? But what if they also appreciate some of the smaller primes and zooms on M4/3? No single lens defines a system.

Link | Posted on Jun 15, 2016 at 22:59 UTC
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LackingCommonSensor: M43 has definitely gone over the edge with their lenses and pricing for the premium line of glass. If you want that good, shoot a technically superior system. M43 is a great system, total system, when you keep the cost for the entire kit under $1500, according to me.

Care to explain why? Talking about the particular figure, just a personal budget rationale or is it based on something concrete? A decent/modern FF body is still gonna run over two grand...

I'm pretty sure I've got $2,500 give or take in my current M4/3 system (2 bodies, half a dozen lenses, mix of cheaper primes and slow/small zooms)... And I'd still be all over a lens like this if it were 17mm or 18mm. /shrug

Still couldn't build half a FF system for the same money, tho if I had money to splurge I'd have an A7 body too and a couple primes.

Link | Posted on Jun 15, 2016 at 22:55 UTC
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Trk: Panasonic will have hard time to sell such a lens for this price, because aperture equivalence knowledge is now wide spread. Also I suppose that Panasonic lens will have brutal aberrations similar to 25mm f1.4 For 600usd ok lens, for 1300usd no go lens.

" Ptox so you should know how much purple fringing is Panasonic capable of. You will see this lens will be the same and issue will be more visible on Olympus bodies. "

I believe what you're describing is a known discrepancy in the way Oly handles certain types of CA vs the way Panasonic handles it. Panasonic has a stronger on sensor UV filter than what Oly uses, which cuts that fringing out, presumably Oly builds stronger UV filtration into it's lenses instead.

The issue is not as severe as you're making it out to be tho, but it could be viewed as a design flaw depending on where you're sitting. You can either correct it in Lr, which has it's drawbacks, or you can use a stronger than normal UV filter when mounting certain Pana lenses on Oly bodies.

Anders and others have documented and tested all this in detail on the boards... I special ordered a 46mm 2A UV filter from Formatt myself for when I use the PL25 and others on my E-M5 II. Been meaning to test it to figure out whether I also want a 37mm.

Link | Posted on Jun 15, 2016 at 22:51 UTC
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steelhead3: This lens will be great for selfies, same FOV as phones...just joking, I would love to see its uncorrected output to see if it deserves its asking price.

Most phones are actually closer to 28-30mm, and most users will never see the uncorrected output either so if the corrections aren't having a big impact on other factors (corner sharpness etc) then who cares?

Link | Posted on Jun 15, 2016 at 22:43 UTC
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Jacques Cornell: It's about the size and weight of Panasonic's 12-35/2.8, and let's be real, that is not a particularly large or heavy lens. It's also about the size and weight of Panasonic's 14-140/3.5-5.6, and I carry that easily around my neck on all-day mountain hikes. This will handle comfortably on a smallish MFT body such as the new GX85. You can see a size comparison here: http://j.mp/1UjXSih
The price, though, looks a bit bloated in comparison with Fuji's 16/1.4, which sells for $699.

I think charging a grand would be fine, $1,300 seems high indeed, but I'm sure Panasonic has done their research. They seem to expect street prices to slump over time, more so than someone like Oly or Fuji, not quite sure why... From the 12-35 to the Nocticron, you can find them all for well under MSRP now. Maybe it's just a way to milk early adopters, hell if this was a 17mm or 18mm instead I can tell you I'd be on the pre-order queue even at $1,300.

Link | Posted on Jun 15, 2016 at 22:40 UTC
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El Jeffe: Looks lovely but sadly I don't think this will fit a GX85 with a tripod plate mounted. The lens barrel will extend too far past the bottom edge of the body.

Um, sure it will, you just need a plate that isn't so huge, there's a ton of them out there... I've bought like half a dozen small Arca plates from Kirk, Sirui, Jobu, and others. You can hit me up on the boards if you want some recommendations... I'm using the smallest Jobu (it's like 1" x 0'5" with my GM1 and a Sirui I got with a tripod with the OM-D, they'll work with anything, even a 100-300).

Link | Posted on Jun 15, 2016 at 22:32 UTC

Cool lens, it rounds out Panasonic's "PL" f1.4 (or faster) lineup nicely, bit pricey but it is what it is, street price will surely come down... Same could (and can still) be said of the Oly 12mm, people underestimate the challenges in building a decent wide angle.

Personally, I would MUCH rather have seen a great, fast, sealed 17mm... The system now has 3-4 stellar 25mm, 2-3 stellar 12mm (even ignoring the 14 & 15mm), and only a couple somewhat compromised lenses near 17mm; none of which are sealed or faster than f1.7.

There were rumors swirling that Oly's f1.2 lineup would include a 12mm, 25mm, and 50mm; hopefully with this in the market they opt to make a 17mm before another 12mm.

Link | Posted on Jun 15, 2016 at 22:30 UTC as 58th comment | 1 reply
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ptox: PLEASE: everyone who is thinking of posting a snarky / patronizing / concern-trolling comparison with another system's lens JUST. NOT. BOTHER.

The math is simple. We all get it. We've all got it for years.

And unless you have a quality report on this new lens, you simply have no idea how well it works, relative to those others. Not that you care...

Thanks but no thanks -- we're sticking with m43!

It's not even that large, it's basically about the size of Panasonic's 12-35 f2.8, OR about the size of an average DSLR kit zoom... I would prefer a 58mm filter (like the 12-35) thread but I'm holding out for fast primes at other focal lengths anyway.

First company to make a similarly sized f1.2 or f1.4 M4/3 lens at 17mm or 18mm with weather sealing (and AF) for $1,500 or less gets my money... I'm glad we're seeing more fast primes, regardless of size or perceived value.

I wouldn't pay what they're asking for a 12mm but that's largely because A) I already have Oly's 12mm f2 (and paid only $384 for it) B) 12mm isn't my most used focal length and C) street price of Panasonic's high end lenses tends to drop a fair amount over time anyway.

At closer to a grand I think this lens will be perfectly justified, looking forward to the reviews.

Link | Posted on Jun 15, 2016 at 20:40 UTC
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stanislaff: I use my Samsung 12-24/ 4-5.6 (18-36 mm in 35 mm equivalent) lens for landscape photo. Yes, it is way slower, but my landscapes and architecture won't run away from me and I got my lens for $260 including delivery and customs taxes.

Who needs such an expensive prime lens?

I do, if this were a 17mm or 18mm instead of a 12mm I'd pay up to $1,500 for it (as long as it lives up to the outlay). I already have half a dozen other M4/3 lenses, all far cheaper (most expensive being the 9-18 & 12/2 but i got the latter for like 50% off retail), I WANT a fast and weather sealed prime to complete my nice lot of slow/small zooms and fast/cheap primes... 12mm isn't the first focal length I'd go for tho, I'd go 25mm over 12mm even, but 17 or 18 would be ideal for me.

Link | Posted on Jun 15, 2016 at 20:29 UTC
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Tom Caldwell: Have you noticed the propensity to make "replicas" of Canon's dream lenses? The Canon 24mm f1.4 comes to mind in this case. There are others. The 42.5mm f1.2 and 35-100mm f2.8 OIS are examples.

Everyone makes lenses at the same popular focal lengths and apertures, I don't see this aping Canon any more than Sigma's FF prime lineup is... I WISH they'd ape Canon and finally make a decent 35mm equivalent, every other focal length had several great choices outside of the very wide or very long...

At 17-20mm everything available has at least one big compromise, be it speed (20/2.8), sharpness (17/1.7), AF (20/1.7), or some other downfall mixed in with it's relative value... AND none are sealed. We could probably use a PL 25mm mk II with sealing too, but there's probably another 25mm coming from Oly regardless.

Link | Posted on Jun 15, 2016 at 20:25 UTC
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Favorable Exponynt: Oh well... 1.4 http://petapixel.com/2014/02/21/olympus-patents-impressive-12mm-and-14mm-f1-0-lenses/

A more tenuous rumor has the Oly f1.2 lineup at 12/25/50mm, I really hope not! First company to make a killer 17 or 18mm with fast AF and sealing is bound to sell plenty...

M4/3 is spoiled for choices overall, but 35mm equivalent it's kind of a sore spot compared to 50mm (PL25 + 25/1.8 + 25/1.7), 80-90mm (42.5/1.2 + 42.5/1.7 + 45/1.8), or even 24-28mm equivalent (15/1.7 + 14/2.5 + 12/2 + 12/1.4 now)...

At 35mm equivalent you either go for Panasonic's 20mm pancake with it's AF quirks (great overall but useless for video or some action) or Oly's 17mm (nice character but pricier AND less sharp than the former).

Even third parties have kinda left the same hole vacant, Sigma's non native primes are all longer and/or slower, Samyang has a nice manual 12/2 and fisheye but nothing longer that's native, Voigtlander is the only one to put out a nice (albeit manual) 17mm AFAIK.

Link | Posted on Jun 15, 2016 at 20:20 UTC

Cool lens, it rounds out Panasonic's "PL" f1.4 (or faster) lineup nicely, bit pricey but it is what it is but street price will surely come down... Same could (and can still) be said of the Oly 12mm, people underestimate the challenges in building a decent wide angle.

Personally, I would MUCH rather have seen a great, fast, sealed 17mm... The system now has 3-4 stellar 25mm, 2-3 stellar 12mm (ignoring the 14 & 15mm), and only a couple somewhat compromised lenses near 17mm; none of which are sealed or faster than f1.7.

There were rumors swirling that Oly's f1.2 lineup would include a 12mm, 25mm, and 50mm; hopefully with this in the market they opt to make a 17mm before another 12mm.

Link | Posted on Jun 15, 2016 at 20:08 UTC as 7th comment | 4 replies
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Yake: Obvious common sense thing not revealed by study: people are different. Yes, different. For some people, photography enhances the enjoyment of an experience. For other people, photography diminishes the enjoyment of an experience. Let people be different. There is no one rule that describes everyone.

Yeah, my mother thoroughly enjoyed making us stop for a photo every five min while on vacations, me and my sister not so much, my mother will surely enjoy those photos more and more as she gets older... And ironically me and my sister are both really into photography now in our 30s, so maybe there was a sub conscious thing going on... Queue the next study! :p

Link | Posted on Jun 15, 2016 at 20:00 UTC
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Max Iso: Finally. This was the straw that broke the camel's back, now i can ditch those pesky raws and finally spend that $3k for my jpeg fix.

Amazon's photo cloud (free with Prime, only reason I've paid attention to it) will store and let you view RAWs on the go, but it doesn't have the sync capabilities/API of a Dropbox or Google Photos.

I'm not sure direct upload film the camera is really all that convenient unless it's a time sensitive matter anyway, and even then there's issues... Big drain on batteries and needing to be by a hotspot are both big obstacles.

Now, a camera that could queue uploads for when it's not being used or until it gets back home, that'd be interesting... I know Eye-Fi does some of that but, not being a native implementation, it's still more of a hassle than just offloading straight from the cards.

Link | Posted on Jun 15, 2016 at 19:54 UTC
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Michael Foran: Sony continues to screw up with the Play Apps. Why not open the API to third party developers? Why do we have to jailbreak our cameras to sneak these apps in? Even if Sony made some astounding Play Apps, which they DON'T, there is always someone out there who will need something or invent something Sony doesn't provide. I like my A7ii, and all the Sony cameras I have had over the years, but their Play Apps have continued to be a sore spot. The wasted potential here is very frustrating.

Any camera maker would, but they still treat their cameras, and specs, and anything technical like black boxes and dark magic that the user shouldn't truly understated...

This is in stark contrast to other industries where OEM are either willing or forced to over time disclose more and more about what goes on inside devices (we know more about the SoC and components on brand new phones than 5 year old cameras).

This has bugged the heck out of me ever since I started getting more into photography a few years ago, I think part of the reason they're able to get away with this is because the press doesn't take them to task over it.

I'm not trying to put the blame solely on the shoulders of DPR and the like, but even small time web journalists (Anand was a kid when he started AT and HardOCP was a two man op) can often prove to be very effective in situations like this even vs giants like Apple and Intel.

It's a matter of transparency, or the blatant lack of it.

Link | Posted on Jun 15, 2016 at 19:49 UTC
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Petrogel: If it wasn't for this stupid sony's playstore, i would have bought both a6000 and a7ii

Oh and I'm setting aside the fact that the apps load slow and re-arrange the UI etc...

Link | Posted on Jun 15, 2016 at 19:43 UTC
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Petrogel: If it wasn't for this stupid sony's playstore, i would have bought both a6000 and a7ii

" Apps are the future. Hopefully Sony will release a more comprehensive API in the future with access to more/all camera functions - that would see the functionality of its cameras grow exponentially. " -Rishi

All you're saying is true, but in the here and now their PlayStore implementation is severely lacking and many of the so-called apps they charge for are things that are BUILT in by other companies like Sony, Panasonic, and Fuji... So we shouldn't reward Sony for a feature that's very much in the concept stage, yet has been in that stage for several years now.

If more apps haven't been written by now it's unlikely to happen, either the API isn't very user friendly or the cross section of willing developers and A7 owners just isn't out there, and Sony for their part hasn't done much to vindicate the whole concept. I think it holds great potential, as did Samsung's Android based cameras, neither has panned out tho.

Link | Posted on Jun 15, 2016 at 19:42 UTC
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stromaroma: Why does the image move by itself? Really annoying, I want it to stay put where I am looking.

Stop moving your mouse/phone, it'll stop moving.

Link | Posted on Jun 12, 2016 at 22:08 UTC
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Turbguy1: Looks like the rover needs a car wash! Also, see that damage to the tires??

BTW, how do you get to a stereo (3D) image??

You take a bunch of pictures in every direction, then up, down, and stitch. There's a bit more finesse required as far as to how to line it all up etc, but that's essentially it. Pretty easy for the rover to take the pics, the slightly harder part is the stitch... Or if the rover has multiple cameras pointing in several directions, then it's even easier.

Link | Posted on Jun 12, 2016 at 04:18 UTC
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