Joe Coolpix: I'm not liking the trend for the RX100 to get thicker. As a guy who likes to throw his P&S in my front jeans pocket, the original RX100 at 36mm was appealing. But the ii and now iii have grown in thickness a couple mm each time. At this rate, the RX100ix in 10 years will be another inch thicker. I like the Canon S trend better, with each successor getting thinner until this last S120 bumping up to 1.14 but still thinner than the S90's 1.22 inches. We're talking pocket cameras here not cars and each new one should get smaller not larger.
I don't get what skinny jeans have to do with anything... Unless you don't mind an obnoxious bulge in your pants, and a current RX100 will look obnoxious in the pants pocket of someone with an average build and regular slacks. Not the end of the world of course, still beats most anything in it's size class, no harm in wishing for an even slimmer large sensor compact tho.
I get that Lytro wants to let the viewer play with the focus point, it remains to be seen whether viewers care to... But the way these particular scenes are presented is a little confusing, couldn't they just shoot 4K video with a fast lens for a similar effect?
I'd be all for an RX90 or something like that without EVF, fliout screen, etc., if they somehow managed to get it closer to the S90's proportions. Heck, they've surely made some miniaturization improvements in lens design, a slimmed down (and possibly budget priced) model would be interesting.
As it is, the RX100 has almost no direct competition unless you're also willing to look at ILCs and/or larger cameras, a trimmed down model would squash anything with a 1/1.7" sensor... It'd probably cut into the bigger brother's sales tho, so it's unlikely until that one has more direct competitors ($800 price tag is a firm sign that it doesn't).
Raist3d: Here's an idea Sony. Make the RX100 Pro (or whatever you want to call it). It would be an interchangeable lens camera with 3 fast primes - a 28mm F2.0, a 50mm F1.4 and a 100mm F1.8. Maybe 18mm and 140mm options later.
Don't make it a super blown up new lens system, just key primes and maybe one good zoom and done. Put a nice grip area.
Oh and a new sensor variant with phase detect AF.
Yeah, cause if anyone needs another mount to support it's Sony... Even if they went in with a reduced scope, the whole package wouldn't end up as compact, for the same reasons that a GM1 or even a Nikon 1 still has a larger lens/mount protrusion even with the smallest of lenses.
So it'd basically be set up to compete with Nikon 1, M4/3, and Samsung's new NX mini... Oh and M4/3 already has 24/2.0, 50/1.4 & 1.8, and 90/1.8 primes available (and 120/2.8, etc), they're all pretty small and usable on a tiny GM1 (which body-only is already smaller than an RX100).
The RX100 is unique and a large part of it's success is cause three revisions later there's still nothing quite like it out there, that's also why that get away with charging $800 for it.
shaocaholica: Re: Touch screens
People need to realize that just having a touch screen does not a good UI make. Apple and Google spend lots of money and time developing their touchscreen SOFTWARE. If you just put the hardware in the camera and let a UI programmer out of school work on it for a week you'll get what most touch screen cameras have which is junk.
For a really good and unobtrusive touch UI you need:
I think camera companies can maybe scrounge really hard to get 2 of those but I definitely don't think they can hit all 3.
That should've read can't...
Canon, Panasonic and others have brilliant touchscreen UIs, even in some of their lower end cameras... The trick is to not make it the centerpiece, on most of those cameras you can turn off the touchscreen entirely if you dislike it and you still have access to every last function thru the regular buttons and menus. The touchscreen doesn't replace anything, but it's a LOT better for certain tasks like selecting the AF point, flipping thru images and zooming while browsing, etc etc.
That being said, it's not like you have a ton of DoF control here, even with the new lens... If the camera's AF can find faces when shooting wide open at 70mm then a touchscreen isn't gonna save it.
Bruce Crossan: So when do we get cameras with a built in 4G SIM Card? Or a camera with no rear screen - just a device to attach the camera to a smartphone where the screen would normally go. . . of any size or operating system, with an App that replaces all the functions of a rear screen?
Are you being coy or is this just a very clever albeit uninformandpost? Both things actually already exist, Samsung has put out cameras with direct SIM slots for a data plan (in their Galaxy line) AND Sony has put out lens/sensor modules that you can simply attach to a phone. Neither seems to have caught on, yet.
The problem with the former is few people wanna pay for a data plan for their camera, and ultimately it's not much harder (sometimes even preferable) to just transfer images to a phone and deal with them there. The problem with Sony's QX modules was mostly execution, the one with the 1" sensor is less pocketable than an RX100 and the one with the small sensor is still bulky and pricey for the IQ and amount of zoom.
I think a QX module with the 1" sensor and a prime lens would be much more interesting, even to mass market if properly advertised.
Timur Born: Will dust stay out when this camera is stuffed into a pocket? The main drawback of my Panasonic LF1 (smaller than RX) is that dust creeps in very fast and now some of my images are full of dark spots.
I carry my LF1 in a small nylon baggie for exactly this reason, if I'm putting it in and out of my pocket a lot during an event I might get lazy ands just stuff it in there, but once I'm done shooting for a while I slip it into the baggie. It's like a jewelry baggie or whatever, drawstring closure, just enough protection against the dust bunnies with no extra bulk.
JordanAT: I just sold all my DSLR gear and am in the market for a new, lighter, but good camera with RAW ability. I really don't want to fiddle with interchangable lenses or dust caps, but I need low light ability. Even if I caved on the lenses thing, nearly all of the mirrorless are stuck with horrifically slow lenses.
I'd just about decided for the Canon GX1 Mk 2 when this popped up. About the only shortcoming of the Sony is the 70mm long end, but I think I can live with it if the pixel-to-pixel comparison is favorable (20 vs 12MP giving me crop-reach to 90mm effective). I'll be interested to see how the lens performs and how good the 3200+ ISO shots look like in low light. I actually don't need the viewfinder, as I find the screens to be more useful, but it might be nice if the screen can be turned *off* completely (manual off) for use in clubs/concerts where screens are distracting.
I'm sure there's an option somewhere to turn off the EVF sensor and leave the EVF on until switched back, it'd be silly if they don't do that.
reginalddwight: I like that Sony plans to continue production of the RX100 Mark I and II despite the imminent release of the Mark III. Great for the consumer to have choices.
Based on information from the company's YouTube video, the price points will soon be $799, $649, $499 for the different iterations.
I am nearly ready to have Sony take my money!
$500 for the Mk I is kind of a huge deal, that's a stone's throw away from the price of many other small sensor compacts. Frankly, if SOMEONE had put a 1" sensor and Wi-Fi in a compact a few years ago and sold it for $500 I'm willing to bet the P&S market would be doing a lot better. Only reason Sony keeps getting away with the high price point for the flagship RX100 is they STILL have no direct competitor.
xt1isdabomb: Honestly...I'm enjoying my iPhone to Aperture combo so much, I wonder what the point is. Yes, the Sony is superior for out-and-out IQ. I give it that much for sure. I've had the first RX100 since when it first came out. But even with the Mobi Wi-fi card I just don't use it that much. The iPhone is good enough for most photo opportunities.
One thing for sure...Adobe is DEAD to me.
You can actually do that with Panasonic's Wi-Fi implementation, I've never tried it because I imagine it's gonna be fairly battery intensive in one if not both devices... Not to hard to tap (NFC) and quickly transfer any given photo during playback anyway, if connection was established just a little quicker it'd be perfect. I can see the instant-sync always-transferring mode being useful with like a tablet so you can review on a larger screen while shooting, possibly for things like macro work where having a PC on hand may not be terribly convenient.
(unknown member): Not good to change the models so fast...There are so many rx100 and rx100ii in the markets. What will happen now? why RX100 series change so fast??? What is wrong with it? is it a strategy or deficiency?
What's the big deal? They refresh it once a year, no faster than many inferior P&S models that usually see little to no change (S100 110 120 anyone?).
I'm amazed they packed all that in a body that's only 3mm thicker ands identical in every other dimension... That comparison vs the G1 X MkII isn't gonna be pretty (for the G1 X). I really don't need an expensive pocket camera but dang if this isn't tempting... Still thicker than I'd like but that new lens really makes it quite compelling.
makofoto: But the Galaxy 5s does something similar with probably better quality and you have it on your phone, not on their web site
Those phones aren't so much refocusing a single image as stacking several and/or adding software DOF effects by using depth maps (from two sensors, several exposures, and/or a necessary shift of the camera during capture). The effects are pretty terrible upon close inspection, even under not so close inspection on the phone itself...
I'm not a snob mind you, I'm happy with my Nexus 5's camera for what I use it (and it isn't the best regarded to begin with), but all those effects are very unconvincing.
Retzius: The 10-18 is a very smart move. There is not a "budget" ultra-wide for aps-c in any other mount.
@ riskinhos Not exactly comparable at nearly twice the price, not as wide either... M43 has the Oly 9-18 in that range ands price bracket too (I actually just got one for myself), this Canon undercuts them substantially while being wider and having IS tho. On face value it looks like a bargain.
Very aggressive pricing on that compact EF-S 10-18mm... The 10-22 is at least twice that much no? Is that like the cheapest UWA zoom around now?
White paint = best way to raise the street price back up by $150?
Carnivore99: I'd love to see Apple put out a special photographer's edition iPhone with a large sensor and PureView-equivalent technology in it, even if it were a more expensive, premium iPhone model.
Nokia has already demonstrated there's a demand for such a thing, just imagine how much *more* popular it would be as an iOS product instead of Nokia's awful Symbian or Windows Phone offerings.
Apple's all about having as few SKUs and as simple a lineup as possible, doubt it'd mix well with their industrial design either. It'll be interesting to see what he contributes, but I doubt it'll be a Franken iPure.
nitroman: So it's not what you know, but who you know ... and he got lucky.
That's like telling an athlete he got lucky when he makes a game winning shot. It underscores his practice, preparation, and even something as basic as the sheer willingness to take the shot. Dude obviously had some breaks, doesn't mean anyone with some skill would've capitalized on them the same way.