keeponkeepingon: Wow. Y'all need to fire your "fact checker".
The LF1 has a Q.menu
c labs noted:
"Q.Menu system which allows you to adjust exposure compensation, Step Zoom, aspect ratio, resolution, sensitivity, white balance, AF mode, movie quality and monitor brightness using either the front or rear dials. "
And your own picture shows the Q.menu button on the lower right:http://www.dpreview.com/files/news/9157282048/LF1_F3-7001.jpeg
It makes me wonder if you actually spent much time with the LF1?
So your major gripe then would be a lack of exposure flash compensation? For a point and shoot (to me) that's not really a big deal.
Flash exposure compensation aside, I'm curious what other indispensable features are found to be missing from the LF1... On paper it seems mostly on par with the S120, if not slightly ahead depending on preference.
The EVF is mediocre sure, but it's still usable and better than not having one (i.e. every other camera in the roundup). The S120 has a touchscreen but the LF1 has remote control over Wifi, longer reach, sweep panoramas, and more burst modes.
phazelag: I think someone looking at my Gallery of LF1 shots, might question the review o the LF1. Specs dont make an image, and this camera made these.
Maybe he meant the Q.menu isn't customizable? (it isn't, mildly disappointing) It's certainly there and accounted for though.
Mr Justice Cocklecarrot: Curious that the Panasonic LF1 is overlooked. It's an LX7 with a longer but slower lens, but with a EVF.And it has the same 1/1.7 sensor.
Currently top of my Christmas list.
This wasn't a pocket camera roundup, smallest one is the RX100 and the rest are mostly not gonna fit into your pant's pocket... They already mentioned the LF1 will be in their advanced pocket cam roundup, along with the likes of the S120, P3300, possibly the RX100 again, etc.
KariIceland: This is filth at its worst, SHAME on you connect, you have become pure filth doing this article. Filth is what you post & filth is what you are.
It's silly and pointless, I'd even give you irreverent on some of them... But filthy sounds a bit much.
Rob Sims: Should the title of this particular article really have been "Small but serious" when the two recommendations were by far largest and heaviest cameras (400g / 390g) in the group, despite having the smallest sensors?
(And before the hordes of m43 users come screaming in rubbishing every other sensor size, I don't disagree with either recommendations, just perhaps the title of the article)
I don't disagree with you, it's kinda curious that M43 being the smaller sensor actually has more large bodies as it's high end options... You could say Sony's trying not to overlap with their other lines (A3000 notwithstanding), Fuji and Samsung made conscious decisions to go another way tho.
Some might view this as an advantage though, the same system can span from GM1 to E-M5 to GH3 sized bodies... And lens size is worth factoring in too, the latest Pana 14-42 II kit zoom is tiny and doesn't even extend more than a few millimeters, plus the number of available pancakes etc.
Fuji's primes and the extra lens Fn on Samsung lenses are pretty enviable too tho. This is a pretty hotly contested and quickly evolving category!
Impulses: I'm kinda surprised that they gave the nod to two M43 models (queue the NEX/X-series/NX fan complaints!), gave the G6 the value nod, and simultaneously made little mention of M43's lens selection... You'd think if nothing else that'd be one of the big reasons to favor M43. I'm sure even the M43 camp will have a PO'd contingent though (queue the GX7 fan complaints!). :p
Is there a G6 review still coming btw? Just curious... The entry level roundup should be equally interesting, big potential price spread there too.
I'm kinda surprised that they gave the nod to two M43 models (queue the NEX/X-series/NX fan complaints!), gave the G6 the value nod, and simultaneously made little mention of M43's lens selection... You'd think if nothing else that'd be one of the big reasons to favor M43. I'm sure even the M43 camp will have a PO'd contingent though (queue the GX7 fan complaints!). :p
pixelpushing: The omission of the NX300 in the company of all these mirrorless models seems odd.
It costs 1/2 to 1/3 as much as any of these and it's smaller than all... It doesn't belong in this category,it belongs in the mid range mirrorless category. I'm sure that category will be heavily contested, maybe even more so than this one.
HappyVan: What about lens selection? EM1 may be the favour of the day. But, APSC lens selection for DSLR is way better.
For example, Sigma 18-35 1.8 matches DOF control of FF. What is the EM1 equivalent?
The size and selection of MFT lenses was actually what pushed me to get my first ILC... Shame they get so little publicity, I had no clue how versatile they were until I started researching.
Impulses: Is there a formatting error on the mobile site or something? The line that reads:
" However, even without taking that step, these enthusiast models offer until recently undreamt of image quality in a more compact package "
Shows up at the start of the last paragraph, when I'm pretty sure it's meant to go at the end of said pantagraph (contextually).
Cool, got owned by auto correct while pointing that out too hah (not even sure what a pantagraph is...). That isn't the first time I see an out of place pull quote on the mobile site btw, using stock Android browser if it helps any.
white shadow: What happen to the Canon 1DX, 1DC, 5D Mk3, Nikon D800E, D610, Phase One, Hasselblad and Leica S2 category?
I am sure there are potential photographers out there who are interested to consider them.
Shouldn't they be included in Camera Roundup 2013?
On the lower end, what about the best point and shoot camera for 2013? Can we say the Canon IXUS 255 HS gives the best image quality for the price? There are still quite a lot of people who want to buy just that, something which will cost about $200.
The way the market's turning seems to contradict your statement (that a lot of people still want to buy $200 P&S)... And DPR hasn't reviewed very many of those lately, outside of the one roundup they did on water/shock proof models. There's probably no such category due to a combination of those two factors.
onlooker: I am not following the logic of the categories. On the one hand we have "enthusiast" category, on the other "mirrorless". Are these mutually exclusive? Since EM1 did well, apparently not.
Also, will GH3 make it into any of them? It's not really small, so presumably not into the "Small, but serious". It did not make it into the current one, must not be for enthusiasts. Where will G6 be? Or will it be shunned like it has so far?
You're probably right Revenant, took me a minute (and several posts!) to arrive at the same conclusion but I got there, heh. Looks like the GH3 was retroactively included as well. To answer the other question I posed, I'm glad they're adding some models that haven't been fully reviewed.
Mid range mirrorless and DSLR categories are probably gonna be heavily contested/critiqued but that's par for the course... I'msurprised they broke off an entry level mirrorless category though, since they haven't had nearly as many reviews in that realm lately.
It does present a good question though, is the GM1 entry level cause of size/controls or mid range cause of price? I'm sure there's other equally nebulous examples.
jcmarfilph: Id rather buy a decent compact this holiday season and forget the miseries and nightmares of shooting with a mobile phone.
A number of the gift ideas presented are viable even for compact camera users (heck even for compact mirrorless models)... Gotta wonder why you're even reading an article tagged Connect if you aren't interested in shooting with smartphones though, assuming you're reading it and aren't just trolling that is.
Kim Letkeman: I laughed when I saw that Panasonic was (inevitably and predictably) left out of the running. One has to wonder who Panasonic ticked off to get left out of a category in which it should be able to compete very well ... after all, enthusiasts do shoot a lot of video these days.
I've shot the D300, D7000, and D70s in the Nikon "enthusiast" lineup and I would take a Nikon over any of the others listed for the system, the ergonomics and the image quality.
But ... I would take the Panasonic G6 or the GH3 over the Nikons for the smaller size, the incredible video, the same ergonomics and basically the same image quality.
And so it goes ...
Guess they had a change of heart? The article I'm looking at features the GH3...
Is there a formatting error on the mobile site or something? The line that reads:
Chris Noble: How can you not include the most innovative enthusiast camera by far, the Panasonic Lumix GX7? It can't be due to "timing" since you've already reviewed it. Or is this a case of "we need to pick one from each of our advertisers"?
They mentioned it'll be included in one of the other roundups... Looks like the criteria for this one was a mix of size/controls and price point, both of which were above the GX7's level. Looks like the GH3 was put in retroactively though, judging by the earlier comments.
Makes sense to me, even though there are outliers to this criteria (like the NEX's street price, by virtue of being the oldest), the GX7 is a closer competitor to something like an EM5 than to an EM1. There's always gonna be some overlap depending on your needs, budget, current deals, etc.
123Mike: The Sony A57 beats the lot of these.
Is Sony seriously gonna support three different mounts moving forward though? I think that's a big concern for many.
NEX's biggest weakness was always lens selection, now they've got FE on top of F on top of the old Minolta mount... None of them should be worth deprecating since they all serve valid purposes/markets, but if one of them had to go...
StevenN: I think it is a mistake leaving the Panasonic GH3 off of this list. It is just as, if not more, capable as any camera on this list.
He's probably alluding more to new buyers rather than someone eschewing an already bought system for another... I don't know how many people jump into ILCs right at this level but it's probably a sizeable market.
If you're already heavily invested in a system then that's obviously always gonna trump any number of factors, specially amongst a selection of cameras where there's not one bad choice, just better/best options.
The only exception to that, I imagine, would be if you're unhappy with the options your system currently provides... Or if you just the time and limitless budget to buy into multiple systems, you probably don't need a roundup in that case since you can likely just buy & test whatever.
Or between truly pocketable compacts and not so pocketable compacts? (RX100/S120 vs LX7/G16?) The categories could be a bit more explicit... :P Guess it'll be clear enough in a few days.
Meh, after reading a bit more carefully I take that back... The models picked for this high end roundup clearly left enough room for mid/entry level categories etc... And the two compact categories will probably draw a line between the RX100 and anything below it (S120, LF1, etc) vs the higher end fixed focal length compacts (GR, RX1, etc).