Peiasdf: Poor ISO performance like most cheap Panasonic m4/3. Only the GH4 and some say the GX7 have comparable sensor to Olympus' SONY sensor.
This has the very same sensor... Along with the GM line.
justmeMN: A mirrorless camera in a camera bag isn't significantly more convenient than a small DSLR in a camera bag.
How is the comparison not valid? I'll give you a less extreme one... A G6 with the largest M4/3 lens (for now) has a 600mm equivalent range and it's still about the size of a 70D with a 400mm max zoom. Add an UWA zoom and an f2.8 zoom and the disparity continues to grow... A 28-280 equivalent zoom is about the size of an APS-C kit zoom, etc etc.
GodSpeaks: I think they missed the boat here. Tenba says these are for mirrorless cameras. So what are the primary traits of mirrorless? Small and light. Yet these bags are designed to carry a camera and multiple lenses, tripods and large tablets. None of which meets the small and light criteria.
How about a smaller bag(s) that could carry a mirrorless camera with lens attached and one additional lens. No tripods or tablets. In other words, keep it small and light. A switch 4 or 5 pehaps?
I already have too many bags that can carry multiple cameras/lenses that I no longer use because they are too big and cumbersome.
I think the problem with designing bags that compact is that then they DO start to become very purse like largely because of the size... Even something like the Crumpler mentioned above falls pray to that a little bit. For the record, I don't find anything purse-like about these Tenba (beyond maybe the leather look of the stock flap, I like some of the other flaps a lot tho).
If you go small enough then it's no longer a purse but a non decrepit P&S case with a belt attachment or wrist strap and those are a dime a dozen... I think there's room for better designed slings in the middle tho. Something like the Thinktank Turnstyle but smaller still, with there was a Turnstyle 3 or 2... The BlackRapid SnapR is pretty clever too but kinda ugly, great functionality tho.
Personally I just use waist packs (yes I'm avoiding the f word), from like surfing/skate brands (O'Neill, Quiksilver), usually slung around my shoulder/back. They aren't built for cameras so padding is minimal unless I add it, but they're very conspicuous and depending on the pack I can fit a small body and anywhere from 3-5 lenses with two being pancakes...
'Course I'm talking tiny lenses (Oly 9-18, 45, etc), not superzooms and large teles. Still makes for a pretty versatile setup that's not swinging around all the time like a shoulder bag tho. I've seen one or two fanny packs (there, I said it) specifically designed for cameras but they were still not very optimal or very conspicuous.
Papi61: "for the PROFESSIONAL mirrorless camera user"
Sounds like an oxymoron... :)
I really don't get it either, I think the trolls are just crankier than usual, maybe a bridge collapsed or something. I actually think most camera shoulder bags out there either look very feminine or just scream camera bag...
There's few styled like more conventional shoulder book/messenger bags (like the TT Retrospective), I happen to think these look pretty cool, I dig the swappable flaps... Maybe it makes me a hipster or whatever, but I'd go for that camo lid or the graphic grey/blue design.
The top facing zipper for going thru the flap lid seems genuinely useful, tho I'd kinda want a zipper underneath too like the Mirrorless Mover.
misolo: Wish they'd gone for a less extreme zoom range (say 25-200 or 25-300), and included a slightly larger sensor and slightly brighter lens. At 600mm-equivalent, the aperture equivalent is f/35. At that point diffraction will mean it won't have much more than about 2MP worth of resolution.
So a Panasonic LF1? 28-200, f2 at the wide end, and a slightly larger sensor... It dropped under $300 not too long ago and hovered just over $300 for much of last year. I paid more than that but still thought it was a solid pocket alternative to higher priced RX100s with shorter range. Seems Panasonic might've discontinued it tho as prices have gone up, at least on Amazon.
ryan2007: In the micro four thirds class, Panasonic has always been innovative and first to the market place with great products. They were the first with the 12-35 & 35-100 mm 2.8 zooms.
Good for micro four thirds and Panasonic. I knew from the start they were a better product than Olympus in this MFT's niche.
Well, their f2.8 tele goes usefully longer than Panasonic's and the 300mm isn't a road map bulletpoint but a sure thing, tho still unreleased. Panasonic does keep things tighter to the vest tho so who knows that they have under wraps.
The Squire: Like the 42.5.
Just need an LX100-alike body to attach it too plz!
Some GX7 reviews were bizarre, specially DPR's... I hear ya tho, I got turned off by some of them and I almost kind of regret it.
Cameralabs' comments about the EVF and the look of bokeh with IBIS scared me away and I jumped into M4/3 with a GF6... After a while I realized the GX7 would've really been ideal for me tho, I prefer the rangefinder style and certain things about Panasonic.
I've been tempted to pick one up as prices drop but at this stage I'd really want DFD for better C-AF and 4K (E-M5 MkII missed the mark on both counts), not a single GX8 rumor out there tho... Then again, Panasonic plays things close to the vest, no one saw the 42.5 coming either.
For now I might pick up a GM1 instead since it's even cheaper and wouldn't be wholly redundant when/if get a (hopefully) GX8.
JOrmsby: Does it say anywhere if these are metal-bodied, or are they the same cheap plastic like Oly has in their 45 and 25 1.8's?
Weight isn't always a sure fire indicator, the 20mm version II has a very thick metal body and yet it weighs less than the original plastic version... Panasonic describes both of these as having "metalic finishes" tho so more than likely that means thin metal plating around a plastic body as on their 12-32, 35-100, 14-42 II, etc.
jhinkey: It will all depend on how good this lens is compared to the Oly. If it's optically not as good, then for me OIS likely won't be worth it.The Pany has one aspheric, but no ED-like glass while the Oly has no aspherics and two ED glass elements. I can handle CA, but lack of sharpness off-center is not attractive to me.
Though I own the 42.5/1.2 already (fantastic lens), this f/1.8 version is attractive due to the small size (like the Oly), but still having OIS (which the Oly does not).
Perhaps this means the GX7 will be the only Pany camera ever to have IBIS - shame . . .
And they don't have any longer primes so it's hard to draw any conclusions beyond that... This might mean we could eventually see a competitor to Oly's 75mm tho, possibly cheaper and/or with OIS.
Yeah I'm wondering if it has any implications like that, tho it's not their first prime with IS... Even the macro had it even tho it seemed to be quite useless for actual macro work, you could actually say IS is standard for Panasonic primes in this focal length range.
brumd: Somehow, the Panasonic m4/3 lenses never look even half as sexy as the ones from Olympus. Yes, it's important! :)
Uhh, the 42.5 looks really really similar to the Oly 45mm. Panasonic's 20mm ver II is one of the sharpest looking pancakes, tho it looks like nothing else, Oly just seems to be somewhat more consistent in their designs (tho they still have like three or four different styles, for the cheap zooms, pro lenses, and metal or plastic primes)...
Panasonic's been chasing trends with recent kit zoom designs (smoother, metal plating) and is generally pretty scattershot. Not that it makes much of a difference, I've got half a dozen Oly/Panasonic lenses and the only ones that have any sort of matching aesthetic are the meant-for-GM zooms, doesn't really bother me l.
He's probably alluding to the number of physical control points or dials, of all those only the GX and E-M come close tho I think the LX100 still has one more dial than all. A single click of the GX rear dial will easily replicate a third tho, same for Oly...
No aperture ring on lens on anything outside the 15mm tho, or aspect selection switch for that matter. ILC body controls are more flexible, but the LX100 does give you the ability to recognize settings at a glance even with the camera off... Fuji gets a lot of play out of that.
W4YNE 1: $398 listed at B&H
Will be interesting to see how it compares against the Olympus 45mm f1.8? I like the fact that this lens has OIS. shame it doesn't have the manual aperture ring like the Pana-Leica 42.5.
Yeah, I dunno whether OIS alone is enough of a differentiator, those that want to shoot video at that focal length will surely eat it up but I dunno if I'll bother swapping my Oly 45... An aperture ring or focus scale might've sweetened the deal. At least it uses the same 37mm filters.
ShutterNot: Questions are: How good will the 42.5 F1.7 be ?Will it be better than the Olympus 45 F1.8It's 1/3 the price of the 42.5 F1.2 Leica which I can't afford.
Nobody can answer that, won't be out for another couple months... If it isn't at least as good as the Oly tho it'll be a flop outside of the video crowd tho. Panasonic has a pretty good track record with their primes tho.
JeanPierre Thibaudeau: I wonder what the price will be for the 42.5mm F1.7 lens...Any clue, anyone?
Check B&H, already up for pre order at around $400... So similar to the Oly 45mm (tho that one's often on sale at $350 and cab be found as low as $250 as a grey import etc). Not sure whether the OIS will be worth switching over from my 45...
Adrian Van: Always wondered what happened with Sony's TV sales. They used to be perceived as the number one premium product in TV. Samsung now doing extremely well in TV and phone, plus tablette.Sony TVs are still selling I see and still a great product, but Samsung has great sales record in recent times for most of its products, and choice of many.Is it aggressive sales on LED TVs by Samsung plus its high quality tech at good prices? Who has the best tech or sales in TV now - Samsung or Sony? Either one is still a great product, perhaps comes down to best bang for the buck or the value, which makes a difference to consumer. Overall I still like Sonys products.
Sony seems to have taken the lead in the highest quality "mirrorless" category, in A7x, it would appear, plus their great sensors.
Pioneer had the best TV tech (in plasmas), then Panasonic, then Samsung, then they all stopped making plasmas... :p LG's were never great. The future is apparently OLED, where LG has been making headway (at stratospheric prices), tho we've been hearing that for years... Looks more credible now tho. Sony's current LCD line is amongst the best, still an LCD tho and smaller companies like Vizio as well as larger ones like Samsung have eroded their sales.
Rooru S: A year ago, Mobile Phones were considered one of three Core/focus for Sony...now they're thinking about selling it. Wondering what will come next.
Mobile has been struggling for a while, it's been years since they cracked the US market and buying it all back from Ericsson didn't seem to help.
photofisher: Looking at this big glass, I'm glad I went m43. Not the absolute best in IQ but perfect size. The cost and size are probably worth it for pros but not for me.
It's apples and oranges really, I'm happy with M4/3 (just bought my 7th and possibly last lens in fact) but if I was swimming in cash I'd also have an A7 and some of the smaller primes... That 28mm f2 looks pretty nice.
Take one Oly Air...Add drone...?Profit. :p
Pretty much everything about it was leaked pre-launch... I'm mildly interested, my two "must haves" for a new small M4/3 body would've been improved C-AF and 4K video, and neither is present here... BUT if they improved video IQ enough then the prospect of that plus IBIS (for my primes) would be appealing, as is the multi shot high res mode.
I do prefer rangefinder style bodies and flip screens over fully articulated ones tho... Hopefully there's a GX8 around the corner that marks off more of my wishlist. I'm glad to see Oly added an EFC shutter to combat shutter shock tho, along with an electronic shutter option... I'm assuming it can be used at speeds other than 1/16000 no?
That's one of the cooler features on newer Panasonic bodies, probably third on my wishlist for a new body.