Zeisschen: wait: "It's an ultra-fast portrait prime"
Why is there still no single portrait shot from this lens? I can mostly see pictures from houses at daylight with focus close to infinity and aperture stopped down. Any of them could be made with a kit-zoom lens. Pictures that could need some subject isolation (horse, buddha statue) are not even taken at F1.2. The horse statue shot has infinite DOF, it could be taken with any point and shoot or smartphone. The only F1.2 "portrait shot" I see is the guitar player statue , but impossible to see any details on that surface, I can't even spot the focus point.To me all those samples look like a kid running around taking snaps with the camera on automatic-mode. This is a f**** expensive 1600$ ultra-fast portrait lens, remember? I guess I better look elsewhere...
FWIW, Cameralabs has a good variety of shots taken with it, nearly all wide open, including several actual portraits at varying shutter speed/ISO. I'm a total novice so I wouldn't know what to make of them, not like I'm dropping $1,500 on a lens like this anytime soon (do have the Oly 45 tho!)...
I did notice slightly oval looking bokeh on some of the wide open shots, Gordon even has a sequence where it's evident the out of focus light blobs get more circular as it's closed slightly (totally spherical by 1.4). Is that common of really bright lenses, a quirk of this one, or maybe environment induced?
FencerPTS: One of the intangibles that frustrate me with phone shooting is response time. The time it takes for a phone to settle on an image and actually take a picture can be several seconds. Even accessing the camera function adds several seconds more. For the actual cameras, going from off to on to shot involves much less of a wait. I wonder, could you could replicate the "spontaneous photo scenario" somehow?
That kinda thing is also very context sensitive... A phone might take a second longer to focus and take a shot (or a second too long in order to actually get the shot!) but at the same time it's far less intrusive and it's also easier to reach for... If you have to open a bag and take off a lens cap you've already wasted more than a second with the DSLR.
Not that I'm making a case for smartphones overall mind you...
I've recently bought my first ILC (a lower end M43) and the shots I'm loving the most are ironically the ones I'd rather take with the smartphone (if they came out nearly as good). Social shots of friends/family in limited light with prime either of my prime lenses (20/45)... And the shots my where my phone excels are shots I'd never mind taking a camera along for, landscapes etc.
So I enjoy using both, and I don't really understand the either/or argument. It's like asking a tech enthusiast whether he'd rather have a tablet or a laptop, each has it's uses and hybrid attempts (Surface, various Android convertibles, etc.) haven't been nearly as successful as dedicated devices.
bossnas: I'm curious, when did you last visit a photography exhibition? How was the photography displayed? On computer monitors? Or was it prints hanging on a wall?
Did you print any of these images to compare them as photographs?
At the same time, in this day an age the average person views, shares, and marvels at photos on an electronic device far more often than they visit an exhibit in person to view printed media. I'm not just talking about Facebook on your phone, scenarios like family pictures on high res tablet to random NatGeo photos on a big screen TV (admittedly low res for the time being) are all pretty darn common. So yea, I don't necessarily subscribe to this view of printed media being the ultimate end point for photography.
undergrounddigga: with the collapsable zoom lens it's an awesome combination. Take along the Oly 45mm f1.8 .. and it is pretty powerful, at a very minimal weight and size.
I have been pretty good on controlling my GAS this year (actually I haven't bought any camera/lens), but I would love to have this camera - maybe in a year 's time, when it's about $200. Although I'm a m4/3 shooter (and I may have some bias towards this system), I think this would complement a FF DSLR setup extremely well (I know, it misses the viewfinder - but for real, for carrying along, everywhere for casual shooting - I think everyone could live without one).
Well done Pany for the Gold Award.
Seriously doubt it'll be $200 in a year... The GX1 came out two years ago and only reached that price point a couple months ago. Different lines but both are pitched as premium lines over the G/GF, and neither the build quality of the GM1 nor the new collapsible kit lens are gonna be significantly cheaper to pump out in a year's time. I could see it hit $350-400 if Panasonic announces a GM2 by the tail end of 2014 (specially body-only, though the neat kit lens isn't likely to get much cheaper).
Ian: I was looking for something similar for my Nexus 5 and found the tiny Meenova drive that plugs into a micro USB port and reads microSD cards. Sure, you have to shoot with an adapter for most cameras, but if you have a camera with multiple slots, like my 5DIII, you can copy it to the (micro)SD card and then plug it in your phone. For $15 with shipping, it's a good deal, and C-Net and others have given it good reviews. DPReview Connect might consider reviewing it - and I can follow up on this post once mine arrives.
I've got one of those, works perfectly fine, very clever and very small, though ironically it's a little bigger than the smallest microSD readers for full size USB ports (those can get away with putting the card inside the actual male plug, so they're literally the size of a male USB plug plus a little edge).
I don't really use it for anything related to my camera though, mostly for quickly moving stuff between tablet/phone etc. Since I prefer to use my full size SD cards on my camera I'll just use a regular USB SD reader (thumb drive sized) and a 3" USB OTG cable... That is, if I don't simply use my camera's wifi.
The OTG dongle + reader is useful for quick backups to the tablet tho (or to another drive), and less battery intensive. Having all these options, I can't see myself ever going back to iOS, though this is like the tip of the iceberg as far as that's concerned.
Impulses: Why didn't the E-PL5 make the list? Four or five other brands got two models featured... I'm just curious really, no skin in the game. I've got a GF6 myself (though the choice was between it and the Oly, for the newer sensor). Nice roundup, dizzying array of good options really.
Is the E-PL5 really that reliant on the touchscreen? Somehow I doubt it but it's been a while since I read the reviews... I can adjust anything on my GF6 without ever touching the screen, if I wanted to (the screen is just quicker for certain things), and Panasonic usually has a more full featured touch UI. Pressing up on the rear dial lets you change between shutter and aperture for example...
Why didn't the E-PL5 make the list? Four or five other brands got two models featured... I'm just curious really, no skin in the game. I've got a GF6 myself (though the choice was between it and the Oly, for the newer sensor). Nice roundup, dizzying array of good options really.
mad marty: Entry level cameras should be cheap and two of the winners are just damn expensive. The Samsung NX1100 and the Nex-3n are real entry level cameras with under 300 Euro.I would never recommend a camera which costs twice as much to a beginner. That's just no entry level.
I think what Revenant is saying makes sense, although they did pick a best in class + a value winner in some of the other roundups... (EM5 + G6, RX100 + S120) I guess the Nikon could be viewed as the value pick here, although it's probably not the strongest pick if action shots aren't the top priority.
A value pick in addition to the Fuji instead of singling out the GM1 for it's size might've made sense, it's size advantage is rather obvious anyway... Could've just left it as a honorable mention or whatever (along with the Nikon). I guess people just want more structure to these things.
I kinda like how the roundups took shape as is though, specially if it makes it easier to update them later (more rigid categories, price limits, etc would make it harder to recommend or highlight new and different models, i.e. something like the GM1).
keeponkeepingon: Wow. Y'all need to fire your "fact checker".
The LF1 has a Q.menu
c labs noted:
"Q.Menu system which allows you to adjust exposure compensation, Step Zoom, aspect ratio, resolution, sensitivity, white balance, AF mode, movie quality and monitor brightness using either the front or rear dials. "
And your own picture shows the Q.menu button on the lower right:http://www.dpreview.com/files/news/9157282048/LF1_F3-7001.jpeg
It makes me wonder if you actually spent much time with the LF1?
So your major gripe then would be a lack of exposure flash compensation? For a point and shoot (to me) that's not really a big deal.
Good stuff, thanks for going back to it to check.
The S120 does feature a usefully wider FL of 24mm, and starts off marginally brighter.
The S120 does offer a wide degree of customization for it's JPEG output, judging by the forums that's indispensable to some... The LF1 lacks any fine JPEG output settings, so it's RAW or take the JPEGs as they are.
The S120 also feel slightly better built, more densely packed and more metal, though that may not mean much in light of past issues with their lens retract mechanism on the S110...
LF1 has a larger aperture thru it's range and faster max shutter.
Flash exposure compensation aside, I'm curious what other indispensable features are found to be missing from the LF1... On paper it seems mostly on par with the S120, if not slightly ahead depending on preference.
The EVF is mediocre sure, but it's still usable and better than not having one (i.e. every other camera in the roundup). The S120 has a touchscreen but the LF1 has remote control over Wifi, longer reach, sweep panoramas, and more burst modes.
phazelag: I think someone looking at my Gallery of LF1 shots, might question the review o the LF1. Specs dont make an image, and this camera made these.
Maybe he meant the Q.menu isn't customizable? (it isn't, mildly disappointing) It's certainly there and accounted for though.
Mr Justice Cocklecarrot: Curious that the Panasonic LF1 is overlooked. It's an LX7 with a longer but slower lens, but with a EVF.And it has the same 1/1.7 sensor.
Currently top of my Christmas list.
This wasn't a pocket camera roundup, smallest one is the RX100 and the rest are mostly not gonna fit into your pant's pocket... They already mentioned the LF1 will be in their advanced pocket cam roundup, along with the likes of the S120, P3300, possibly the RX100 again, etc.
KariIceland: This is filth at its worst, SHAME on you connect, you have become pure filth doing this article. Filth is what you post & filth is what you are.
It's silly and pointless, I'd even give you irreverent on some of them... But filthy sounds a bit much.
Rob Sims: Should the title of this particular article really have been "Small but serious" when the two recommendations were by far largest and heaviest cameras (400g / 390g) in the group, despite having the smallest sensors?
(And before the hordes of m43 users come screaming in rubbishing every other sensor size, I don't disagree with either recommendations, just perhaps the title of the article)
I don't disagree with you, it's kinda curious that M43 being the smaller sensor actually has more large bodies as it's high end options... You could say Sony's trying not to overlap with their other lines (A3000 notwithstanding), Fuji and Samsung made conscious decisions to go another way tho.
Some might view this as an advantage though, the same system can span from GM1 to E-M5 to GH3 sized bodies... And lens size is worth factoring in too, the latest Pana 14-42 II kit zoom is tiny and doesn't even extend more than a few millimeters, plus the number of available pancakes etc.
Fuji's primes and the extra lens Fn on Samsung lenses are pretty enviable too tho. This is a pretty hotly contested and quickly evolving category!
Impulses: I'm kinda surprised that they gave the nod to two M43 models (queue the NEX/X-series/NX fan complaints!), gave the G6 the value nod, and simultaneously made little mention of M43's lens selection... You'd think if nothing else that'd be one of the big reasons to favor M43. I'm sure even the M43 camp will have a PO'd contingent though (queue the GX7 fan complaints!). :p
Is there a G6 review still coming btw? Just curious... The entry level roundup should be equally interesting, big potential price spread there too.
I'm kinda surprised that they gave the nod to two M43 models (queue the NEX/X-series/NX fan complaints!), gave the G6 the value nod, and simultaneously made little mention of M43's lens selection... You'd think if nothing else that'd be one of the big reasons to favor M43. I'm sure even the M43 camp will have a PO'd contingent though (queue the GX7 fan complaints!). :p
pixelpushing: The omission of the NX300 in the company of all these mirrorless models seems odd.
It costs 1/2 to 1/3 as much as any of these and it's smaller than all... It doesn't belong in this category,it belongs in the mid range mirrorless category. I'm sure that category will be heavily contested, maybe even more so than this one.
HappyVan: What about lens selection? EM1 may be the favour of the day. But, APSC lens selection for DSLR is way better.
For example, Sigma 18-35 1.8 matches DOF control of FF. What is the EM1 equivalent?
The size and selection of MFT lenses was actually what pushed me to get my first ILC... Shame they get so little publicity, I had no clue how versatile they were until I started researching.