Vinc T: Comparing to the 1.5 year old E-M5, this GX7 has nothing really extraordinary. The only special thing about it is its tilting EVF, which is meaningful to only the minority. Why should DPR award a GOLD to something just caught up with its competitor?
Not to mention it focuses under up to like -4 EV, AFAIK Oly's AF only works up to 0.
Focus peaking, silent/electronic shutter mode, Wifi/NFC, etc = nothing? Many of those features are just as valuable to some as IBIS or anything else that the GX7 merely matches.
Raist3d: I am it sure why this camera didn't get the gold. You get a built in evf at the usd $1k bracket, ability to focus in dark (-4 ev according to panasonic) and panasonic traditionally has the IS in their main lenses. Is ibis in light of this really that crucial? Is Ibis that crucial anyway?
Then it has the quite unique silent mode which as mentioned is great for street life- or even if you are shooting in a classic music concert or theater play. I don't get it.
Lack of in camera raw converter? (For the record, I love that feature myself but how many people really use it and is it really such a key feature to get out the gold?)
What is in-camera-RAW conversion most used for? I'm curious what situation in comes in handy where shooting RAW+JPEG isn't a viable alternative... Genuine question btw since I've never had a camera with said feature. If I was gonna ding the GX7 for *not* having something it'd be weather sealing... Makes the choice between it and the EM5 just a little harder.
yabokkie: very like GX1, marketed as a high end with compromised features. don't know if it has same capacity for deep price plunge as GX1.
G6's OLED EVF suffers much less from the rainbow effect visible to some on field scanning EVF, and it's better sized for stills (vs video).
Anfy: It would be interesting to compare GX7 IBIS to that of the newer Olympus cameras, i. e. the 5-axis system; once DPR made this kind of tests. Maybe a future addition to the review?
Yeah, why was this not tested?
Well, it does have a worse EVF than the G6, and IBIS could be more advanced... But I guess that's what the next GX model's for! Just hope Panasonic keeps the line alive.
justin23: assuming of course it comes to your device... I love my android phone but OS updates take forever to reach the phone after android has been released.
I'd say carriers play just as large a role as OEM, if not larger... In many cases an OEM will have the update skinned and ready within 3 months, specially for flagship phones, but many US carriers (particularly Verizon) then insist on additional testing or they just don't care to update a particular phone that hasn't moved well, etc.
In the end it's not that big a deal IMO, only enthusiasts care a lot about this kinda thing, the average Joe usually doesn't even know what version he's on. Enthusiasts who really want the latest and greatest immediately still have options: either learn to love to tinker or get a Nexus device. The update pace will slow down eventually anyway.
It's not like iOS or even WP don't face similar issues, it just turned into a bogeyman for Android.Apple routinely leaves out major features from older models, often due to no reason but upselling the newest (Siri/4); and just as often their updates will bog down older models (iOS 7 animations on anything).
WP generally tows a line between Apple and Google's philosophical approaches, and the whole platform has a pretty stable hardware base, yet they've still had major hurdles with updates... Ask WP7 users, any of them. MS can't seem to keep pace with Apple/Google regardlessof their update strategy (and I really like WP's design core btw).
thx1138: Google Nexus 4 has very ordinary battery life and the Nexus 5 uses a larger 1080p screen that'll require even more juice. The 2300mAh battery is a bit of a joke and given how little Google spends on battery optimisation, the Nexus 5 should also be poor.
As for the camera, who cares, 8MP is about 7MP more than most people need for their facebook snaps.
The Nexus 4 ran S4 Pro, this runs S800... Big difference in efficiency. The G2 got just about the best battery life of any smartphone ever in Anandtech's testing, but it has a larger battery, if you extrapolate for the smaller battery here (and the lack of extra bloatware) it should still be pretty darn competitive.
Battery size is still on par with the likes of a One or SGS4. Resolution is also not the sole factor driving a display's power use, although displays remain the biggest power hogs in a phone (unless you find yourself with borderline signal strength, constant tower searching will destroy battery life even quicker).
Rbrt: Why have so few camera makers moved to USB 3.0? There must be either a technical or cost factor. Anybody?
Plus there's the fact that the storage controller would have to be fast enough for USB 3.0 to matter... I imagine a few of them on higher end cameras might be able to provide enough bandwith for USB 2.0 to be a bottleneck, but they're probably few and far between (and more than likely optimized for fast sequential writing over anything else, like random reading).
There's still a lot of cameras that don't write anywhere near fast enough for the fastest 90MB/s+ UHS-I cards to make a difference... That's about the point where USB 2.0 starts to be a big bottleneck (you can get 40MB/s read/write out of USB 2.0). It's pretty trivial to use a USB 3.0 reader for faster offload to a PC anyway, Kingston makes a tiny one with retractable ports for like $12.
Most burst shooting is done to a buffer first then offloaded to SD storage anyway... This is the same reason you don't see USB 3.0 on phones btw, just wouldn't make much of a difference given the speed of flash NAND within those devices... Plus the bigger/bulkier connector might be a bit of a step back, though eventually it'll be preferred for faster charging as batteries (and some phones) get larger.
thx1138: "True, you can switch out a heavy zoom for a lightweight prime on a DSLR and get something of the same feeling, but the DSLR doesn't transition into the role of a take-me-anywhere camera quite like a Micro Four Thirds body does"
And yet somehow we do manage to take our DSLRs everywhere with us and certainly to the same places we'd take the almost-as-large as Canon SL1 E-M1. SL1 and 40mm pancake is actually lighter by 70g than E-M1 + 17 f1.8/20f1.7.
What you said might be true for the smaller PEN style bodies but E-M1 is getting seriously large and straying away from the small and compact concept. It's larger and heavier than Sony A7(R) twins!
Certainly wouldn't upgrade from my E-M5 for this one.
The body is still only a third of the equation... A 10x super zoom on MFT is the size of a 3x kit zoom on a DSLR. Similarly, there's no comparison between f/2.8 zooms... If you're sticking with primes it might not matter much, but for a lot of others there's still a very tangible difference even with a body as large as the EM1...
It's not my preference either, though if I was made of money I'd certainly grab one. There's something appealing about a system that can scale from a GM1 to an EM1! I'm fairly new to it so I only have the one body at the moment, but I could seemyself with two in the future.
Impulses: $400 mini vs $230 Nexus 7... Tough sale, I didn't think there'd be a price hike with the Retina display but I guess it makes sense if they're keeping the old one. Selling the old model well into 2014 would be rather odd tho... It's gonna start dragging a-- with updates.
No issues whatsoever with my Nexus 7 2013... shrug It charges in a couple of hours even when using wireless charging (which is very convenient) and I actually prefer the 16:10 aspect ratio for both movies and reaching (web pages aren't square...).
$400 mini vs $230 Nexus 7... Tough sale, I didn't think there'd be a price hike with the Retina display but I guess it makes sense if they're keeping the old one. Selling the old model well into 2014 would be rather odd tho... It's gonna start dragging a-- with updates.
jkoch2: Will the new devices tilt the global onslaught of smart phones upon camera market share? Or are they, like the machinations of Alex Lippisch, or the late Cretaceous giant sauropods, merely specimens for future museums?
If phones are the paradigm, anything resembling a traditional camera (or a vinyl record) is a tough sell.
An irony: people who praise the new cameras don't amount to a drop in the ocean and will be no more likely to buy the stuff than volunteer to ride in an ME 163.
The argument that smartphones will eventually replace cameras completely is like the same argument against desktops, it'll keep going for another 10-20 years and people with higher end needs will continue to exist and prove it wrong.
larrytusaz: I am NEVER going to stop complaining until you guys realize we don't like it.
What am I talking about? You know what I'm talking about.
"Next, next, next, next, next, next, ne....."
ONE PAGE will do. All that clicking is annoying & there's no call for it.
(Hint: view in mobile)
Heck, as long as I'm here:
(2) Nikon D5300 & Fuji X-E2(3) Fuji XQ1(4) Fuji brings X100 back from the dead(5) Panasonic GM1, smallest m4/3(6) Nikon 58mm f/1.4 "pricey prime"(7)Nikon sues Sakar over Polaroid (J1 ripoff)(8)North Korea Looks Lovely this Time of the Year(9) Full-frame NEXs not called NEX(10) New lenses from Sony, Sigma & Samyang(11) Sony RX10, a "RX100 superzoom"(12) Hasselblad hoax we hope stays a hoax (Sony A7/A7r re-badge)(13) Canon's pimped-out Powershots
Throw in the detailed paragraphs, and THAT is how you do it. **ONE PAGE** (maybe 2, but 13, no no no no no). I just saved the rest of you some time, no need to thank me.
Is lack of ads the reason they don't do it for the mobile site? Kind of backwards since a lot of sites do it the other way around... Whatever they need to do to keep the boat afloat I guess. I agree it does kinda defeat the point of a quick look summary post like this tho. Breaking it up into a dozen pages is fine for one off stuff like buying guides, the essential camera bag stuff post, etc. For this type of post it's counter productive.
Hans and Lidy: Thanks for this overview! big help to keep track of things in a nut-shell. What amazed me - again - is the final image about Canon's pimped-out camera's. I like Canon since long, but... these camera's... I can't imagine I would pay thát much extra for a few coloured elements :-)
It's not a whole lot extra, didn't MSRP for the S120 go up from the previous model? (which was already like $350 street at the end of it's cycle) $50-100 extra (15-20% more?) isn't that obscene for a limited edition, if you're into that sorta thing and you actually think the base model is a good value (it's not IMO, LF1, RX100, new Fuji are too close to it; street price for the S110 was a decent value tho).
I'd maybe buy the fisheye separately, if available, since I'll probably neve get to shoot with a fisheye otherwise... It'd be interesting to fool around with. I know if I get the whole pack they'll just collect dust tho.
shademaster: what was wrong with the PZ 14-42? Could they not fix the shutter-shake =/OIS issues? Seems like it would be as small as the 12-32.
It's just about as small as the 12-32... There's that one blur issue tho, and I guess a lot of people prefer a normal zoom ring (specially on older bodies without a rocker switch for power zoom). This new collapsible lens starts wider which might also attract some... Specially if you're already carrying an Oly 90mm with ya and aren't too concerned with tele zoom.
I dunno, I was actually about to get the PZ but now I'm tempted to get this just for the wider FL and zoom ring. Then again, there might be some killer sales on the PZ, I think I'd be willing to risk/see about the shutter shock myself.
Think I read the 12-32 will sell for $350 tho, which seems rather steep, it's not hard to find the PZ as low as $260. Why'd they bother with a metal mount on a plastic body anyway, could've made it even more ridiculously light! Wonder if they're discontinuing the PZ, B&H lists the black one as discontinued but I think that's happened before... Silver's still around even, more like ugly grey but w/e.
Andy Crowe: "There's no such thing as a free lunch, it seems. The Panasonic Lumix DMC-GM1 offers a larger sensor than many of its big-sensor-small-camera competitors, but enters the market with only one lens designed to fit it without tipping over"
Surely all the pancake lenses (14mm, 17mm, 20mm and PZ14-42) would make perfectly good companions to this camera?
They've all got a slightly larger diameter (outside of the 14mm I think), so they'll probably protrude a little and not allow it to sit flat... Doubt it'd be to a degree that presents a problem tho, and there's always that add on grip.
Well shoot, I was literally days away from getting myself a GF6, as my first ILC, with plans of also getting the 14-42 PZ too... Actually bought the Oly 45 already for it too (caught a deal on it for $300, was gonna grab the 20mm too).
Now I'm debating whether I want to just grab the GF6 and later get this new kit lens (the wide end is actually more attractive, specially if I have the 14-42 II anyway), tho $350 for it seems steep (street price for the PZ is usually <$300).
Tempted to just wait a bit and get the GM1... New sensor, peaking, electronic/faster shutter... OTOH I'd give up the tilt screen, NFC, sweep panoramas, more control points... Argh!
JawaT: Surely Panasonic/Nikon/Canon will reply with a super zoom based on a larger sensor. Its an arms race after all.Makes for a good choice for those who have smartphones and are looking for a single camera that covers a wide enough zoom range. And of course they must have deep pockets.If the IQ and performance proves out, this and other super zooms pose a challenge to mirror-less and DSLR cameras.
What makes you think that? None of them have built an RX100 competitor and I'd imagine that requires less R&D (cheaper lens) and it'd be easier to market... I wouldn't pin my hopes on direct competition any time soon tbh.
I do agree this poses a threat to mirrorless and DSLR to an extent, but the price will insure it remains more of a niche even if it proves profitable for Sony. The market at large is just very uneducated as far as basic camera tech goes, there's tons of people buying DSLR that would be better off with a mirrorless model or even an RX100 but there's no one to educate them or a proper marketing consumption to entice them.
I don't even think the price on the RX10 is too high, btw given what it is and the market, and my last Sony was an HX5 P&S years ago so I've got no skin in the game...