Kim Letkeman: I laughed when I saw that Panasonic was (inevitably and predictably) left out of the running. One has to wonder who Panasonic ticked off to get left out of a category in which it should be able to compete very well ... after all, enthusiasts do shoot a lot of video these days.
I've shot the D300, D7000, and D70s in the Nikon "enthusiast" lineup and I would take a Nikon over any of the others listed for the system, the ergonomics and the image quality.
But ... I would take the Panasonic G6 or the GH3 over the Nikons for the smaller size, the incredible video, the same ergonomics and basically the same image quality.
And so it goes ...
Guess they had a change of heart? The article I'm looking at features the GH3...
Is there a formatting error on the mobile site or something? The line that reads:
" However, even without taking that step, these enthusiast models offer until recently undreamt of image quality in a more compact package "
Shows up at the start of the last paragraph, when I'm pretty sure it's meant to go at the end of said pantagraph (contextually).
Chris Noble: How can you not include the most innovative enthusiast camera by far, the Panasonic Lumix GX7? It can't be due to "timing" since you've already reviewed it. Or is this a case of "we need to pick one from each of our advertisers"?
They mentioned it'll be included in one of the other roundups... Looks like the criteria for this one was a mix of size/controls and price point, both of which were above the GX7's level. Looks like the GH3 was put in retroactively though, judging by the earlier comments.
Makes sense to me, even though there are outliers to this criteria (like the NEX's street price, by virtue of being the oldest), the GX7 is a closer competitor to something like an EM5 than to an EM1. There's always gonna be some overlap depending on your needs, budget, current deals, etc.
123Mike: The Sony A57 beats the lot of these.
Is Sony seriously gonna support three different mounts moving forward though? I think that's a big concern for many.
NEX's biggest weakness was always lens selection, now they've got FE on top of F on top of the old Minolta mount... None of them should be worth deprecating since they all serve valid purposes/markets, but if one of them had to go...
StevenN: I think it is a mistake leaving the Panasonic GH3 off of this list. It is just as, if not more, capable as any camera on this list.
He's probably alluding more to new buyers rather than someone eschewing an already bought system for another... I don't know how many people jump into ILCs right at this level but it's probably a sizeable market.
If you're already heavily invested in a system then that's obviously always gonna trump any number of factors, specially amongst a selection of cameras where there's not one bad choice, just better/best options.
The only exception to that, I imagine, would be if you're unhappy with the options your system currently provides... Or if you just the time and limitless budget to buy into multiple systems, you probably don't need a roundup in that case since you can likely just buy & test whatever.
onlooker: I am not following the logic of the categories. On the one hand we have "enthusiast" category, on the other "mirrorless". Are these mutually exclusive? Since EM1 did well, apparently not.
Also, will GH3 make it into any of them? It's not really small, so presumably not into the "Small, but serious". It did not make it into the current one, must not be for enthusiasts. Where will G6 be? Or will it be shunned like it has so far?
Or between truly pocketable compacts and not so pocketable compacts? (RX100/S120 vs LX7/G16?) The categories could be a bit more explicit... :P Guess it'll be clear enough in a few days.
Meh, after reading a bit more carefully I take that back... The models picked for this high end roundup clearly left enough room for mid/entry level categories etc... And the two compact categories will probably draw a line between the RX100 and anything below it (S120, LF1, etc) vs the higher end fixed focal length compacts (GR, RX1, etc).
WT21: The problem with roundups is that at any given moment, some camera is new, and some is old. The XPro 1 is getting long in the tooth. The 70D and EM1 are the lastest and greatest from their respected makers, as some examples. Not that there's any choice, of course. You have to roll with what you got. But I would argue the XE2 would be a better choice here than the XP1. I'm not a Fuji user, but I think the XE2 is competitive with the rest of this lot. The XP1 is kind of it's own thing.
Even if they were just updated twice a year that'd be lovely!
Yeah, it looks like there's some overlap between this category and DSLR/mid level mirrorless, as well as between the two compact categories... We'll see I guess. Are cameras that haven't been reviewed up for mention? Otherwise there's gonna be lots of holes here, though I can't really fault DPR for going either way in that scenario.
The Joby Tight Grip Micro Stand rocks, I use the tripod part with my pocket camera and my M43 all the time, often leaving it attached for the day, it's that unobtrusive.
I'm actually using the top part (the phone grip) as my car mount, it's screwed unto a small stick-on tripod screw that was meant for putting action cams in helmets and such.
Works great as a cart mount because it's easily to fold down so it's more conspicuous, or unscrew so it's not visible at all; plus it's sturdy enough to hold any phone firmly but easy enough that you can clip the phone on with one hand once you get the hang of it.
Karl Summers: At first I was concerned about the security breach, but I think that can happen to any company. I was also concerned about "renting" software vs owning it outright, but that's just the wave of the future. You can either ride that wave or sit on the beach as a spectator. Whatever, it's your choice.
I truly believe after the security hiccup that Adobe is getting its act together. I wouldn't expect it to happen again, and if it does? I'll just get a new card issued by my CC company. No huge deal.
Bottom line is, Adobe Photoshop is the best thing going right now, and $10 a month for the first year is an ABSOLUTE DEAL.
Adobe actually took it's sweet time in reacting (let alone notifying people) after the breach...
hiro_pro: i have seen too many companies that require constant authentication crash. now you are stuck with unusable software until they can verify subscriptions again. the gaming industry has already had huge fails in this arena.
It's also worth noting that Steam was vilified and heavily criticized when it first launched, half the people using Steam now weren't even gaming at the time... Now tons of people actually prefer buying games on Steam and they happily accept Steam's DRM in favor of more draconian or fragmented alternatives. Steam isn't tied to a monthly sub though! Key difference...
brecklundin: Given the way Google feels about Adobe...what are the odds they will even use DNG instead my cash is on a new "Google Standard" RAW....beta of course....screw Google. Once they were fine then they got stockholders and stopped being inventive and customer oriented.
When have Google and Adobe ever had a major spat? They supported Flash on mobile longer than anyone thought they should, and it was Adobe's decision to kill it off eventually... As others have said, Chrome actually makes Flash safer by building it I'm and auto updating it in a seamless way Adobe could never quite manage, and they continue to support the PDF format with lots of their mobile/cloud services. You can print anything to PDF on the N5 without installing anything. I think you're getting your Googles and Apples mixed up.
oluv: can someone tell me how canon manged to squeeze such a compact 15-60/2.8-5.8 lens into the G1 X, and panasonic only managed a 12-32 3.5-5.6?
even if the lens was not fixed (as it is with the G1 X) i still think it could be made similar in size to the 12-32 or x14-42.
when we have a small camera like the GM1, there should also be more really small lenses. i would even welcome collapsible primes, if it would allow them to be pancake-flat. have a look at the 40mm/2.8 pentax pancake, which even covers a fullframe sensor.
Several Leica M43 lenses also correct for distortion in SW... I'm sure there's an optical quality vs AF mechanism vs max aperture vs physical size tradeoff regardless, most M43 lenses were made with size in mind. I doubt they made any of them larger just for the hell of it... ;)
OneGuy: I like to read up on Nikon Df but GM1 is something I am actually thinking of getting. But I was looking for an answer to the ol' AF question. Is it better with 1.7/20mm lens? How much? I see some of your samples use the II version and -- come on, no comment on AF speed?
Is the lens protected well enough? I think it needs a wider (read noticeable) yet light and pliable shoulder strap (that could also be used for wrap-around protection in my daily regular bag).
Yeah they do.
neo_nights: There's one thing I fail to understand, though: you couldn't save RAW files previously due lack of proper hardware to process those files.
But, AFAIK, smartphones have better hardware (processing power) than most pro cameras out there. Which camera has a dual-core processor with 1.2ghz and almost 1gb RAM like my "ancient" Galaxy S2?
Depends on the phone, but those tasks are generally handled by discrete IPs, on some phones it's still built unto the SoC, on others it's a separate part altogether... I'm sure some stuff is offloaded to the main SoC CPU tho (HDR possibly?).
" Photo Mate is currently the only app that we know of that is capable of processing RAW files on a mobile device but Photoshop Touch and Snapseed will hopefully step up and offer RAW editing, with other app developers following their lead. "
Huh? There's a few RAW processing apps on the Play store... And a bunch of RAW backup/viewing apps too. I've been looking around because connecting a camera or a camera's SD card via USB OTG is so easy on recent phones.
RAW Vision actually looks more polished than Photo Mate, though I haven't really put either one thru it's paces. There's RAW Droid and Android Photo Review too. Think I saw one called RawPal or something as well...
Maybe you guys could save us all some money and test/compare these? Seems right up Connect's alley, not to mention more useful thananother rroundup of filter/retouching apps (no offense).
Zoom aside, how about an overall comparison? I still carry an advanced compact (LF1, even longer zoom than the S120 at the same size, plus EVF) and I've had a few decent smartphone cameras but nothing that would make me drop the compact, haven't had a Pureview mind you... Maybe a critical IQ comparison once RAW is available on the Nokia?
joe6pack: It is priced too expensively for open source community to pick it up.
If it is $500, this will sell like hot cakes. Developers will put every feature you can imagine on this camera.
Developers aren't Santa's helpers or the tooth fairy... They won't hack and improve every device that comes to market just because (specially not a $1600 specialty device), and even IF Samsung had released the source code or opened up an API (HUGE if) there's still a lot of downsides compared to a more traditional mirrorless camera.
I'm a huge Android fanboy, there's an Android logo decal on my car's rear window. I don't see Android making much inroads on camera bodiestho, there's a lot of potential but it'd take a lot of work AND vision to realize it (not Samsung's model, just look at the decidedly uninspired Gear; better ad campaign than product).
In the meantime, the more practical things I could get done with my photos on Android while on the go can all be accomplished easier and more comfortably by just hooking up the camera to my phone/tablet over Wifi or even over USB OTG if I wanna work with RAW or sync quicker.
wus: To me, 30 MB/s sounds more like a major step back, my old 64 GB Extreme Pro UHS I already has a write speed of 95 MB/s. Strange.
There's also the matter of sequential read/write speeds (like recording video), which are usually closer to max speeds, and random read/write speeds (like copying lots of smaller files or viewing them). Removable media's usually primarily optimized for the former but there's still a fair degree of variance depending on brand and capacity.