PeterTom: I do not shoot (many) selfies, but the flipping screen may be useful also for other purposes. It would be twice more useful (IMO) if it would not only flip but also rotate (swivel is the right word? the descriptions on DPReview name it "fully articulated").I shot many pictures in portrait orientation and many times I would like to have them shot easily from waist level or ground level without the need of doing additional gymnastics (with my current Canon Rebel).
But many m4/3 cameras have only flip screen.Actually, it seems that there the only m/4 cameras with "fully articulated" screen are the SLR-sized GH4 and G6 (and when I look for m4/3 I want to downsize my equipment).Why m4/3 cameras tend ignore the portrait orientation (how many of the current)?Would it be so much more complicated to make, for example, this screen fully articulated?
The G6 isn't exactly DSLR sized... Only DSLR as small as it is Canon's SL1, and that one doesn't have any kind of articulated screen. A G6 with a 14-140 is still smaller (or on par at worst) than the smartest DSLR with a 3x kit zoom. The GH4 is far bigger tho. The EM5 was even smaller than the G6 and rumor is it's successor will have a fully articulated screen tho.
Impulses: Looks like a technical step forward but an ergonomic step back... It gained the current gen sensor and all that entails (e-shutter etc), but lost the more articulated screen of the GF6 along with the exposure compensation toggle and the more traditional (read: less limited) shutter mechanism.
Ironically, the GM shutter is probably why it went up in price, seems the design was largely driven by aesthetics/size, if it were just a little thicker but cheaper it'd make a more appealing entry level model IMO. The smaller kit lens is probably contributing to the price bump too.
Oh, forgot battery life too, another big ergo step back there... GF6 used the same pack as the GX7.
John van Stralen: Oh my oh my, what a lot of negatives I read here.To me it looks like a very nice camera that could be a nice addition to my Panasonic GF 6 which I liked using very much over the past few years.
So you don't like selfies, well ok but many do and when I see so many people, especially in Asian countries, enjoying so much to make them and more fun in posting them, well it brings a big smile to my face. And though I am not so young anymore I do enjoy making a selfie or so with friends once in a while, why not………But other than that a tilting screen for me is almost a must have on a modern camera, once you get used to it, it can become quite handy as the tilting screens on the GF6 and the Sony A7R showed me; to be honest I wouldn't buy a camera without it anymore………
Yes the GF 1 was also in my opinion the best they made, so if they bring a remake with a tilting screen I will buy it also, and it would not be so bad on the G7 also, if it might appear.
So that's my 2 eurocents for today.
You're been happy with your GF6 for yearS? It's only been out like a year and a half tops... :p I'm happy with mine too, tho I waffled between it and the GX7. I also only paid like $400 for it in Nov of 2013 tho, had I been forced to decide between a $600 GF and an $800-900 GX I probably would've just gone for the latter. Looking forward to a GX8 with 4K and DFD personally...
Looks like a technical step forward but an ergonomic step back... It gained the current gen sensor and all that entails (e-shutter etc), but lost the more articulated screen of the GF6 along with the exposure compensation toggle and the more traditional (read: less limited) shutter mechanism.
blue hour: Nice but it lacks 4K, therefore i'd rather choose the LX 100, which has also got a viewfinder.
Panasonic, where is the G 7, by the way ?
They didn't exactly disable 4K, if that really is the crux of your argument... Neither the GX7 nor any of the GMs had it, the GH4 does but that surely has a different processing engine. Plus, it's not like anyone else has an entry level ILC with 4K yet (maybe Samsung? I know Sony doesn't). Now, if they were to announce a GX8 without 4K, or the Sony A3xxx/A5xxx had 4K, I'd be raising my pitchfork with ya. I have a Nexus 5 too and it's video isn't that impressive, happy with it tho but I couldn't care less about it's camera.
.Sam.: Hmmm... the GM1 proved impossibly hard to use without the rear wheel, and it was corrected with the subsequent model, GM5. Now Panasonic comes out with a NEW camera, repeating the problem ?
Never had an issue pressing/turning the wheel on my GF6 inadvertently... Haven't had the pleasure of handling either GM unfortunately.
photo perzon: Does the flash tilt up to the ceiling for bounce?
I'd be surprised if not, my GF6's cab be tilted back...
Ben O Connor: Not looks as good as my GM1, but I wish I would have a svivel screen too!
Its brilliantly designed Fn button also will be 2nd shutter! Ergonomically, SUPERB.
Should've been $500 at release IMO, the last GF wasn't any higher than that, not totally unexpected given that they're using the 12-32 tho. With the GM1 selling as low as $400 it's a tough sell tho.
Seems kinda backwards they released it for phones before tablets (you cab side load it but it's buggy and crashes, go figure).
HowaboutRAW: Samsung needs to provide free software (say for download) that will convert the H265 videos this camera shoots, at all resolutions, into the more editor/playback friendly H264 format.
Yes, I realize that GOM, LightAlloy and VLC will play this H265 format, but for some time editing is going to be real difficult sans conversion to H264.
And even the new 5K Mac struggles to play video from this Samsung camera--using VLC for Mac. The Panasonic LX100 4K files play without trouble on the same Mac.
It matters not that Samsung would be giving this software away free for use by any competitor which also chooses to use the H265 format to record MP4 video, since for more than a few months people will ignore the video features on this camera, if the video can be edited.
Windows 10 Beta plays H265 natively in Windows Media Player.
Must've not searched very well (no offense), Handbrake is like the most popular open source tool for this, has been for ages... I wouldn't know whether it fully meets your needs since I haven't dabbled much with 4K but I use it for lots of other things and it's where I would've looked first.
mpgxsvcd: Samsung has the exact opposite strategy as Canon. Samsung knows that if they build a quality product with lots of features their customers will still be willing to spend the same amount of money and not ask for rock bottom prices.
They also know that if they are not leading the industry then there will be no catching up. It is lead or simply get out of the way and die by the roadside.
Canon on the other hand believes that its customers are for life. They believe that as long as they don’t change things too much their customers won’t want to change too much. Canon’s market share will be drastically reduced by the end of this year thanks to innovations by Sony, Olympus, Samsung, Panasonic, and even Nikon.
@Cheng True, but while Sony is seemingly backing away from mirrorless, Samsung seems more committed to it than ever and the company is bigger now than ever. Four years ago Samsung wasn't dominating mobile etc. I'm just hoping someone, anyone, puts mirrorless in the limelight. M4/3 user here so I'm not any fonder of Samsung than Sony.
@Vlad Not many, I didn't mean it in a disparaging way, but there's still only a handful of MILC with decent C-AF and only two under a grand, whereas plenty of cheaper DSLR nail that and become automatic recommendations for soccer moms etc. My skepticism in general doesn't have anything to do with the technical merits of one vs the other.
coldcut: I like the bold tone from Samsung. No overconfidence, just self assurance leaning towards innovation and a firm belief that there is a lot of technical improvements left to implement. Others just rest on their laurels, waiting to see what the next big thing will be, hoping somone else will do the heavy lifting.I really hope Samsung will drive this home.
M4/3 is pretty close, there isn't an uber cheap nifty fifty that has been in production for over a decade but outside of that the price gap for different kinds of lenses is never too large and it tilts in either favor. DSLR bodies can still go lower tho, unless you're a savvy shopper looking for older models ($200 GX1, $350 GF6, $300 E-PM2, etc).
Actually there's one other exception but it's pretty recent, that new APS-C UWA Canon launched is like the cheapest UWA zoom in any system (mirrorless or otherwise), by a couple hundred at least. Dunno if it's any good but I'm sure it's a hot seller at that price. When you start looking at mid range bodies things get much fuzzier tho.
Cheng Bao: Should it be called CES 2015?
What do brits call them? And what's Barney's punishment after Jan 31?
Seems pretty comparable to Olympus' FL-300R, right down to the price.
Snikt228: Has anyone ever seen a Samsung ILC camera in the wild?
I don't really see MILC in the wild much, living in a US territory, it's all DSLR... BUT I do see more Samsung MILCs at Best Buy than any other brand's, Sony has a small booth that still says NEX on it (/facepalm) whereas Samsung has a whole table in the middle of their in store kiosk not twenty feet from the entrance.
Can't remember if I've seen them at Costco, I know they're currently carrying the newest E mount Alphas tho they haven't always carried them in store. We still have a Sony Style store at the biggest mall in the area (think I read a big number of them closed nationwide), tho it recently shrunk to half it's size so maybe it's on it's way out.
No Fuji, Panasonic, or Olympus at any retail location nearby, at all. Even when I've visited my sister in Maryland I've barely been able to find one or two stores that carry Olympus, despite looking in big cities like DC and Baltimore. One of the two I visited last time already went bankrupt too (Penn).
justmeMN: Whatever. Samsung is just another miniscule-market-share player scrambling for leftovers in a shrinking market.
Samsung is probably better vertically integrated than any other camera vendor, since they not only manufacture sensors and batteries (like a Sony or Panasonic) but also a wide array of SoC and other electronics that others might source elsewhere... And they clearly have a big marketing muscle, they're definitely a dark horse that's not going anywhere.
There's no probably about it, the average US consumer doesn't have a clue what mirrorless is, like at all... It's not "a thing" and nobody has marketed it well enough to make it one. Samsung probably has the biggest marketing muscle of all three mirrorless players tho (AND they're about as vertically integrated as a Panasonic or Sony), would love to see them flex it and put mirrorless on the map... Ask the other players would ultimately benefit.
Love me some mirrorless, but frankly I don't buy that for a minute, nor do I buy Samsung's prediction or some of their statements (there's a few things DSLR still do better, specially at the very high end, no point in denying it). I do love their apparent commitment tho, and aggressiveness.
Sony has had a few years to push mirrorless into the limelight and they haven't gained much more mass market recognition than even smaller players like Oly and Fuji... If there's one company that could really grab some mindshare for mirrorless as a whole right now it's Samsung.
I say that even tho I'm not the brand's biggest fan, couldn't care less for their phones... I do have a Samsung TV, mostly because it was the last great plasma available when I bought it, shame they're all EOL now.
Kurt_K: Overpriced, I would say, given the lack of stabilization.
Yeah, that seems like an odd choice... Doesn't the XF f/4 UWA have IS even? Do Samsung's f/2.8 zooms for their mirrorless mount feature IS? I know Oly/Panasonic's do, but Canon (and Nikon's?) EF/APS-C f/2.8 standard zoom doesn't... I'm curious how much of a deal breaker people view it to be, particularly in light of Fuji's excellent kit zoom.
photogeek: Video mode still sucks. Better luck next time.
I'm only half kidding btw, this was quite an impressive firmware update by any measure. Way beyond fixing stuff and tweaking stuff due to user demand (which they also did), I'd be ecstatic if I owned Fuji and I'm indeed a little jealous.