Does that flashlight have any particular photographic function? Cause otherwise there's much better torches for the money that can go way brighter but still have multiple modes etc. I'd look at Foursevens, Olight, Sunwayman, or EagleTec's lineup (or ZebraLight if you wanna splurge). My pick at $30-ish would be the Olight s15 ($36 on EBay with free extender tube, pricier on Amazon), up to 280 real lumens. The i3s is a great stocking stuffer too..
/flashlight nerd puts his pocket protector away now
Zeisschen: Endless click producing roundups. Seriously, who cares? These lists simply made Dpreview less credible to me...
The effort is appreciated, I can make up my own mind after reading your reviews and others but these kinda guides are very useful to share with others. I'm sure some criticism is made merely for the sake of it or brand loyalty, but rest assured that some is made because we do appreciate the work and only wanna help improve it.
Impulses: Uhh, no MFT cameras? I'm guessing they were left out because no new entry level bodies were released this year... Could've swore I remember MFT (GF6 or a PEN) being included in a similar roundup last year. At the same time tho, the A3000 and others here were also 2013 releases, and you can get a mid to high end GX7 or E-M10 for the price of the X-M1...
Hey thanks for replying, I think the fact that you're listening to feedback and working on the method to the madness speaks louder than anything else. I wouldn't really think much of the omission after a few days (unless it was a recurring thing) but knowing that reader feedback is weighed does definitely stick in my mind, thanks again. Looking forward to a more flexible system in the future.
G-D: DPR, I think you should add some comment about why you left out so many other equally good and comparable camera's, like all those mentioned by many here in earlier comments. What a weird lineup!
I think there's a case to be made for your own rules not really serving the reader best... A lot of buyers are likely to read only one roundup they seem to think fits them better, so pointing at different categories or even last year's roundup is useless to them. What would be so wrong with having certain models in multiple categories if they fit? Just a thought... Maybe your internal page hit stats tell a different story.
I think it'd make a lot of sense, not just because it'd be good to have MFT represented but because Panasonic seems to be positioning the GM1 as their entry level option now, kind of bizarre given the original MSRP and the GM5's price but tough to ignore.
I get why you'd ignore the A5000 since it's clearly an outgoing model, and the A5100 was already in the other roundup... But why restrict yourself so much? What's wrong with double dipping?
If these articles are to have any lasting use I think it'd make all the sense in the world for you to be able to include certain models in multiple categories if they fit. Would save yourself a lot of grief and make the guides more useful.
I imagine most non enthusiast shoppers will look at ONE the guide/roundups and be done with it, so saying you didn't include a similarly priced model because it's in this other roundup is useless to that sorta reader.
Just my 2c, this roundup seemed far more constrained by your own rules than any other this year... Dunno if maybe it's your least read or what but it could be better.
Treeshade: These roundups are not very useful other than listing camera released in the year. In a buyer's view, many last-year models (e.g. a5000, GH3) are still current model and are attractive choices (lower price, different weight/shape).
It isn't even a listing of current year releases, as I first thought too, neither the A3000 nor the X-M1 were released this year. There's no logical selection criteria here...
tinternaut: Well, you only manage to miss out three manufacturers, and an entire mount.
The GM1 is now actually as cheap as the GF6 was shortly after release last year tho, it might as well be their current entry level option (with the build quality of a mid range!). It and some of the supposedly mid range Sony A5xxx bodies are actually cheaper than some of the bodies on this roundup, and the A5100 is even a more recent release than many. Doesn't make any sense whatsoever... I've generally found some logic with most DPR roundups but this one defies all logic.
Shoot even the GM1 is cheaper than the X-M1 at this point... And it makes as good an entry level choice as anything here, specially in light of larger bodies with smaller 1" sensors bodies being included. Even if you assume the list was compiled off MSRPs it still doesn't make any sense (other Alpha bodies are still cheaper than the X-M1).
How are they now pricey? They're often cheaper than the XM-1, as are the Sony A5000/5100 (significantly cheaper if you shop around). If they were just picking the lower tier models in each lineup why pick two Fuji bodies (one being decidedly not priced as an entry level option) and no MFT models? Two out of their top three picks were 2013 releases anyway, as were the GF6 and some PENs.
Hell, why aren't the Sony A5100/5000 in this roundup either? They're ALSO cheaper than the X-M1 and relatively recent releases... Quite a confusing selection.
Uhh, no MFT cameras? I'm guessing they were left out because no new entry level bodies were released this year... Could've swore I remember MFT (GF6 or a PEN) being included in a similar roundup last year. At the same time tho, the A3000 and others here were also 2013 releases, and you can get a mid to high end GX7 or E-M10 for the price of the X-M1...
CameraLabTester: What Sony should really IMPROVE is the public awareness of their MOUNT SYSTEM.
Walk in NEW customers wouldn't know their A's from their E's.
Average customer walking into anywhere isn't even aware mirrorless is "a thing"... Sony's always done better (than Oly/Fuji/Samsung/Panasonic) in securing retail space and trying to get the word out but they still fall short.
mrc4nl: its still of limited use, smartphones lack dynamic range.there is not much you can push.
On the other hand, stock JPEG processing on smartphones is often borderline horrible, specially from OEMs that have little to no imaging experience, so this could help on phones that tend to be let down by the built in processing rather than their hardware.
Cane: That's a woman's purse.
As opposed to... A man purse?
Many women like their camera bag not to look like one, what's the big deal, many men do too (except they often don't want it to look like a purse either!).
A less expensive option in the same vein as this one is the Tamrac Aria line, got the small one for my mother's G6 and she loved it.
Bring it Oly! Frankly I'd be more jazzed at the prospect of improved video paired with their IBIS, but I'll take it all...
Biowizard: Back in my film days, I ogled and rather fancied the Olympus Zuiko 8mm fisheye for the OM series - but these days, I just use my GoPro. Not sure I would want a fisheye with intentially POLISHED internals: for me there is no such thing as "creative" flare. I want the best starting point image possible (high contrast, sharp focus on the subject plane, soft bokeh in the back/foreground as desired) - but NOT low contrast and streaky flare, thanks.
Especially at a price point higher than my original OM-1 cost (OK, that was 40 years ago, eck hem ...)
Seems a little overpriced even by current standards/pricing, the Rokinon/Samyang/Bower 7.5mm f3.5 FE is often cheaper than this, and it's super sharp (not to mention a dedicated design, not one copied across mounts)... Maybe I'm missing something.
Charlie Jin: Between a6000 and 5100, it is not really the size and weight. I believe it is:touch sensitive screen or not;flip for self portrait or not;
EVF vs touchscreen, plus hotshoe or not too... I've never understood why none of the NEX-6 (and now the Alpha 6000) had a touchscreen when lower end models did tho, some people want a touchscreen AND an EVF.
Impulses: Nice roundup, tho as someone else commented below, I think it'd be wise to put up the earlier RX100 models up for consideration within the article. I assume the mk1 still holds up well against the smaller sensor compacts and instead of having to decide between spending $250-350 vs $700-800 you could very well opt to spend $500 on an RX100 mk1.
There's clearly a big gap in the lineup of these manufacturers, Sony has been milking the RX100 for a couple of years while it had no direct competitor and even creeping the price up, hopefully cameras like the LX100 put a cap on that and future iterations of the G7 X stay competitive. The fact that they still sell older versions at steep discounts show how much wiggle room there is.
It's pretty unusual for anyone to keep making and selling a 3 year old P&S model merely because it has no competition but that's exactly what Sony's gotten away with.
I know the G7 X is a competitor, I said as much about three lines before I said Sony had gotten away with charging whatever they wanted due to lack of competition...
And the RX100 mk1 is still fast at the wide end, it's not the best compromise I'd wish for at $500, but it is pretty much the ONLY compromise available if you wanna pay more than $300-400 for a P&S but not TWICE as much.
That was my entire point, the gaping price point hole between these models. Surely Sony could build a current RX100 variant with modern features at a lower price point, perhaps without EVF, flippy screen, etc but with the faster lens.
Until now they've had no incentive to do so tho, the RX100, whichever version, was a darling sans direct competitors.
Albert Silver: You might wish to update the information on the Sony models since the standard price (as per Amazon) for the Sony a6000 with the kit lens is $698 as of this writing, while the a5100 is $498. That is a significant price difference between the two.
Yeah the A6000 just has a very steep discount for Black Friday, but the price will surely go back up soon. They had originally discounted it only $100 but it's now a $200 discount IIRC.
Nice roundup, tho as someone else commented below, I think it'd be wise to put up the earlier RX100 models up for consideration within the article. I assume the mk1 still holds up well against the smaller sensor compacts and instead of having to decide between spending $250-350 vs $700-800 you could very well opt to spend $500 on an RX100 mk1.