Panasonic makes more smaller cameras than Oly does, makes for kind of an ironic framing for the ad if you're already familiar with the system... Where's the GM competitor or the PEN with built in viewfinder? :P
grasscatcher: Hey DPR, at some point can you start testing CAF tracking of these newer CDAF m43 systems as compared to, say, entry- and mid-level DSLRs with PDAF? I believe, at some point in the near future, these newer CDAF technologies may equal/surpass PDAF, at least entry-level PDAF. Apparently, Panasonic seems to think that, also.
I already suspect that a good photographer shooting a GH4 or G7, using back-button focusing and CAF, can compete with a typical DSLR for AF tracking.
Some sorta RC toy could work too, like an RC car that van keep a constant speed...
Tom Caldwell: YABS? Yet another battery size?
No, same as the G6. My GF6 shares the same one as your GX7 tho, which is different and works with the same chargers as the GM's... Hopefully they keep that one around for the GX8 since I already have a couple.
pocoloco: If it just had image stabilazition...
Some do, even cheaper ones like the 42.5 f1.7... Stuff like the PL25/15 or my 20mm and Oly 12 & 9-18 would still benefit from IBIS tho. The wider ones in particular, for hand held night scenes...
grasscatcher: I, too, wonder if this isn't GX7's replacement, with the X dropped. This camera is very similar to the GX7, with loss of IBIS, NFC, and pivoting EVF, but gains 4k and DFD (although GX7 focuses very fast anyway). A GX8 may have very little extra to offer over this camera, mostly being IBIS and rangefinder style, unless Panny has something else up their sleeve...
There's already a rumored GX8 announcement ands it's been listed under Wi-Fi certification etc, so there'll surely be one. The smaller rangefinder style with a flip screen and corner EVF (along with 4K/DFD) would probably be enough for me, if they somehow retain IBIS even if it's only for stills I'd pre order the thing.
I'd like to see better C-AF testing regardless of the tech or camera. A more repeatable test using something with a constant or controlled speed perhaps rather then the usual subjective testing. No offense to your bike riding editors...
The Squire: UHS-II card interface? Yey!USB 2.0 wired interface. Boo!
When are we going to see USB 3.0 on cameras, for those of us who prefer a cable rather than popping the card out?
I suspect the problem is that micro USB 3.0 is a really awkward shape. Very wide.
I guess we'll have to wait a couple of years for USB-C before we get faster interfaces to cameras...
The don't even use standard micro USB anyway, Panasonic, Nikon, and I think Oly use a micro connector that predates micro USB so you need a special cable regardless (Monoprice sells a long one cheap if you need, most bodies come with a short one that's great for USB OTG purposes). It's usually called 5 pin something or other but doesn't seem to have an official name, kind of a vestigial thing...
I hope when they finally give it the heave ho they jump straight to a reversible Type C connector which will likely end up replacing most other USB connectors (outside of full size ones on desktops), it's nowhere near ubiquitous or cheap enough yet tho.
Mirfak: General quesion for users. If for technical reasons you had to choose between IBIS and all of the 4K functionality, which would you pick?
Electronic shutter isn't a substitute for EFC BarnET, it has it's own drawbacks (rolling shutter with fast action and banding under certain lighting), it's better to have both as the E-M5 II does... Tho it's one of the few mirrorless bodies to have both across any system.
Corrections are applied automatically in Lr Caerolle, you can't disable it, if you wanna see how files look without them you can use RawTherapee or some other converter that lets you disable them.
From what I've seen the improved C-AF performance on the GH4 wasn't due solely to the lens profiling and even carried over to Oly lenses to a certain extent, but none of the big review sites tested that extensively... AF in general doesn't get tested extensively either way.
It'll be curious to see whether the G7 behaves similarly or whether it has less processing power, hopefully it gets tested more in depth... Not holding my breath tho.
SirSeth: Good specs and solid looking little body for the price. The kit prices are good and this would be a perfect recommendation over entry level DSLRs imo.
Wally World and BB may not be moving a ton of bodies, but Costco still moves a metric ton since they usually discount kits by at least enough to offset tax (and often have two lens kits etc). I've seen Sony Alphas at Costco, tho usually relegated to the same section as P&S, DSLR tend to be front and center, never seen anything M4/3 there regrettably.
Jim Hully: This is presented as an enthusiast's camera yet here in the US we are forced to buy it with a lens? No body-only options for us "rich mugs"? I'm annoyed at Panny for doing the same with the GM-5. And please don't tell me I can sell the lens.
I sold my 14-42 II for $100 to another DPR forum member, based on eBay pricing for grey market ones you could probably get a little more than that for it even. They should definitely sell it body only tho, it's possible they might eventually... If you're not averse to some backwards dealing, the 14-140 kit would probably be cheaper than buying it body only if it were an option (after selling off the lens obviously).
onlooker: Long overdue. I just hope the changed body retains the superb ergonomics of the G6. I fear because every time Panasonic improves one thing in the G* line, it screws up something else.
There are noticeable differences: http://camerasize.com/compare/#455,621
Even if the back (top?) dial isn't optimal, there's still the much more convenient one around the shutter so it's an improvement over the G6's single dial either way IMO.
No, USB 2.0 can't keep up with cards boasting 90MB/s+ read speeds and they're quite common/cheap now. Not that I think lack of USB 3.0 is a big deal, it's not as simple as people would like to think.
The camera would need a faster controller to take advantage of the interface and there might be no need outside of that for such fast read speeds, plus the 3.0 micro connector is all kinds of awkward and basically stillborn, while the new reversible Type C is still in it's infancy and not very common.
Get a reader and get over it.
It's a little more complicated than that IMO... E-M5 II has other things in it's favor like weather sealing, high res mode, possibly an EFC... The G7 might also have better C-AF performance thanks to DFD tho, in addition to 4K, plus a lower price point. The E-M10 hits the lower price point but has less going for it outside of IBIS (does have Live Composite modes ands whatnot tho).
I'm curious to see how well the DFD implementation works here, and whether there's an EFC option. They're packing a lot at a very enticing price point tho.
I'm glad they managed to hit an $800 pricepoint with kit lens on a body that also has 4K/DFD, it should have an audience.
Is there an electronic first curtain shutter option or is the electronic shutter still the only anti shutter shock recourse? Also, does it make Auto ISO available in M?
Cychen: Hmm...Olympus and Grado, a good match
Meh, Grados had their charm but I'd take a pair of Sennheisers, Beyers, Philips, or even AKGs over most Grados these days. They should've kept the old school Japanese theme and featured some wooden Audio Technicas or something. :p
lacikuss: Looking at these extra large lenses compared to FF equvalents I believe at this point only the Nikon 1 system has held to the original promise of a portable system
Throw in some body comparisons too, GM1 with either of those is still as small or smaller than a lot of the stuff being built around a 1" sensor... New Oly Pro lenses don't suddenly make the rest of the system irrelevant, they make it more flexible and versatile. You can have your pocketable GM1 + 9-19 or your E-M1 + 7-14 f2.8 or any combination of it, that's quite a bit of scaling under the same system/mount.
Impulses: The hood on the fisheye looks way too wimpy, leaves that front element rather exposed... Not sure if that's the realistic limit they could go for or if they just kept it tight for stuff like underwater housings, which will probably be one of the more popular uses for the lens.
Personally I haven't had much trouble with fingers entering the frame with my Samyang, and relatively speaking the Samyang's hood does seem to protect the front element better than does the Oly's... The Samyang's front element doesn't go right to the edges of the lens' diameter tho so it has a bit of an advantage in that regard.
SeeRoy: The 8mm FE is announced at $999. Currently the Samyang MF 7.5mm 2.8 FE is available for less than £200. I have the Samyang and it's excellent. It should be pretty obvious that if there's one lens that doesn't really need AF, it's an FE.Save yourselves lots of money unless you're planning to shoot goodness knows what, with an FE, in the rain.
Mine is f3.5, dunno about his... :p It's also about as small as the Oly 9-18, apples and oranges really. I'm not about to swap out either one of those but I can imagine certain usage cases the f1.8 fisheye would be good for, like underwater, or some action sports (shooting skaters while standing right in the action etc).
The hood on the fisheye looks way too wimpy, leaves that front element rather exposed... Not sure if that's the realistic limit they could go for or if they just kept it tight for stuff like underwater housings, which will probably be one of the more popular uses for the lens.
RichRMA: Ah well. I see the money difference (U.S. to Canadian) has caught up with us. I got my E-M5II for a U.S. equivalent of $900.00, and for a while, the 12-40 and 40-150 pros were par priced. But the party is over!
Did the same myself thing with the PanaLeica 25mm, came out to $450 from Henry's (full North American warranty to boot)... In any case, the price of the UWA seems in line with expectations, the extra stop and weather sealing are certainly worth the price difference vs the Panasonic.