Johannes Zander: White background consumes more power and is not eco-friendly!
Depends on the screen type, on most phones (see: Samsung's sales numbers and the number of other Android phones using AMOLED screens) black will consume far less power; and that's arguably the one scenario where power consumption is most relevant (the different in consumption on a tablet/laptop's LCD display will be relatively smaller).
I've got no dog in that fight btw, I actually have a phone with an LCD screen, not AMOLED, and I don't use my a laptop much... I do read in the dark often on my desktop and the bright white is a little glaring so I'll probably stick to what I'm used to.
Can we get the same small reading mode theme switch somewhere on the mobile UI? If only for putting up with the annoying and much larger (relatively, within the UI) beta switch before... :p
Deano255: This thing is dead on arrival. Only two very expensive lenses on a proprietary lens mount. SD card tech when everyone is moving to CFast or XQD for large sensors. Best the video can do is 1080p at 60fps which is embarrassing for mirrorless. And that arrogant, exorbitant price tag. In another couple months Sony will introduce a large sensor camera with twice the specs at half the price and will leave this camera in the weeds, and any potential market will move on, except for those nostalgic for the Hassy name.
I can't tell if he's trolling or he really truly believes both Sony AND Nikon will be going MF in 12 month's time... Either alternative is equally ludicrous but at least a troll attempt gives me more hope for humanity, so I'm gonna go with that. Nice try.
Chris2210: It will be interesting to see what battery life is like - my guess is that it will be in a similar ballpark to the GH4 [I note that's 500 shots against its predecessor's 540]. That rating surprised me because I would have pegged the battery life of my GH3 as comfortably into the higher hundreds. It's certainly nowhere near as frustratingly short as most other mirrorless cameras where you certainly need to have a spare for a full days worth of shooting. The GH cameras do of course also benefit from the possibility of an additional unit in a grip.
I suppose it's a minor niggle, but having to switch batteries mid-shoot is a pain - hopefully this camera will have the stamina last a moderate day's worth of shooting.
CIPA ratings are borderline useless for mirrorless, specially if you're trying to draw comparisons to DSLRs... The video record time rating from the manufacturer is often a better indication (possibly not as relevant with this Hassy, but for ML in general I mean)...
The constant video feed from sensor to screens and the power draw of the latter means mirrorless battery life has to be thought of more in terms of uptime than shot count. You don't measure a phone's battery life in emails sent or pages loaded, this isn't very different.
Generally turning a mirrorless camera off is the best way to extent battery life, whereas it has a negligible impact on a DSLR's battery. This is relevant even if you're a pro in a studio and you need the camera on at all times for X amount of hours, perhaps more so...
You're gonna get X amount of hours of use, period, you could trigger the shutter 3,000 times or merely 30 times in those X hours, battery life will end up being roughly the same. Leaf shutter in lenses on this might skew that a bit but the bigger power draw is still gonna be the screen/EVF and constant sensor feed, by far.
Max Iso: Not my cup of tea but i bet in time these will put most other ML out of buiz. MFT might be ok as they can sell their small size, all other ML systems are in trouble.
" In time as more and more MF are sold, price will come down. When the price gets low enough, the format will dominate for it's superior IQ. For those who prefer ML anyway. " -Max Iso
People said the same thing of FF/APS-C, never happened... Price of new FF bodies might've come down a few hundred recently, but they're still dang near a couple grand and there's still a thriving APS-C/MFT market, ML or otherwise.
The camera market seems to defy other markets in this regard, possibly because sensor AND lens prices aren't really that volatile (glass has been around for decades and, unlike other electronics, new manufacturing processes don't seem to benefit sensors nearly as much).
" MFT cameras aren't significantly smaller than APS-C cameras. " -JackM
The lenses sure can be tho... Also, I must've missed the APS-C ILC equivalent of the GM1 & GM5. ;)
Sam Santana: Did they have to make it so ugly???
I think it looks better than the A7 line, speaking strictly to the aesthetics, and I've got no dog in the fight as I'll never own either (M4/3 user here who bought an E-M5 *despite* the retro chic looks)... Ergonomically, as far as control points, screen, etc the A7 line probably has it beat; but I don't think packing everything and the kitchen sink was Hasselblad's goal.
JackM: I'm still a fan, but on second look, there are no manual controls for aperture, shutter speed, or ISO. That's a pity.
You've been shooting Fuji for too long... Programmable dials are the way to go in this day and age. It does have some pretty slim dials tho...
razadaz: I find the decision to go with two SD cards interesting. SD cards have always had the aura of being for amateur based cameras, both Cannon and Nikon omitting them from their top cameras altogether. Perhaps this could be the start of that changing.
CFast and other CF-esque card formats used by Canikon still boast faster speeds than any SD card format... Must be why they're kept around.
Jacques Cornell: "only just as big as the larger Micro Four Thirds camera bodies"That's a real stretch. Here's the X1D next to a GX8 and GX85:http://j.mp/28OpKv1It's not even close.DPR was so eager to diss the GX8 as a "big beast", and now here you are fawning all over the even bigger X1D, pretending it's SOOO petite. Looks like bias to me.
I'm an ardent M4/3 fan and I didn't think the comparison was that out of line... I also figured that by larger M4/3 bodies they meant the E-M1 & GH4, and the X1D is pretty darn close to the latter (longer but also thinner)... The GX8 is somewhat smaller mostly because it has a corner EVF.
FWIW, I still view the GX8 as large for M4/3, specially for a body with a corner mounted EVF. GX85 & E-M5 (mid sized?) are much closer to my ideal all around size... That's very much a YMMV thing tho. I have and appreciate a tiny GM1 too, some think it's pointlessly small, others view it as a revelation of sorts.
One of the neater things about M4/3 is actually that it can scale so remarkably well in either direction, something few other systems (if any) can boast. Obviously it's never gonna compete with FF, let alone MF, on top tier performance but it doesn't really have to. Small MF bodies don't change that, just like the A7 didn't.
Ross the Fidller: "It is smaller than the average DSLR and only just as big as the larger Micro Four Thirds camera bodies"
OH, COME ON! It might be small for its format but don't get too carried away with saying it is as small as the largest Micro Four Thirds camera body's size. That comment was a BIG STRETCH OF THE TRUTH!
X1D - 150 x 98 x 71 mm (5.92 x 3.86 x 2.81″)GH4 - 133 x 93 x 84 mm (5.24 x 3.66 x 3.31″)E-M1 - 130.4 mm (W) × 93.5 mm (H) × 63.1 mm (D) (5.1" × 3.7" × 2.5")GX8 - 133 x 78 x 63 mm (5.24 x 3.07 x 2.48″)
It's not that much of a stretch to be honest, the only significant difference is that it's 3/4" longer...
It'll be curious to see how battery life pans out, the largest body of that bunch (GH4) also features the largest battery by far and it's one of the longer lasting mirrorless bodies... Not that I think battery life is that big a deal (given how small they are), mirrorless battery life needs to be thought of more in terms of uptime than shot count.
The bigger differences are the lenses of course, that's what keeps M4/3 relevant in the face of FF Sonys and even this (though price plays a role too obviously)... Even the larger M4/3 lenses are comparatively small and you can get to a downright tiny package with the pancakes and collapsible zooms line the 9-18, 12-32, and 35-100.
They're after vastly different markets either way... But Hassy seems to be doing a remarkable job in keeping things compact. It's not an outright given when going mirrorless, as evidenced by Leica.
georgehere: "upgraded 802.11ac Wi-Fi with speeds up to 20MB/s" -- are you kidding me? The 802.11ac goes all the way up to 1.3Gb/s. At 20MB/s it's slow as molasses. God forbid, you run Adobe on images on that drive, you need to take another vacation just to process images from the previous one.
A 2x2 antenna config could exceed those speeds, but it might've exceeded the power/space profile they were targeting with the unit. If you really care about speed over convenience you'll just use straight USB to your phone/tablet/etc anyway (and a SSD or thumbdrive over a HDD), or you'll use one of those portable mini router units with USB and card readers.
carterpmac: I think Instagram could appeal to more professional photographers by providing different compression settings for professional accounts. If Instagram allowed for the image quality that the Flickr app does, it would be much more appealing (to me at least).
It's still a pretty constricted format, even on a phone, the level of compression makes zooming in to catch details all but pointless... Pinch to zoom is like, one of the neater things brought to the act of viewing photos on touch devices. Even if you ignore all that, res is well below that of the screens on flagship devices.
There's no real artistic reason for those limitations, maybe aesthetically the square crop works well, but the rest was just done to save a buck (or a couple million) when the service was a startup... And now it's so massive that it probably adds up monumentally. I realize full res uploads wouldn't be realistic for a free service but still...
villagranvicent: What's the point of a 12mm 1.4 lens? You are getting basically infinite DoF with it regardless of aperture. In bright sunlight you need to close it down a few stops anyway.
I´ll save my money for the new Hasselblad anyway.
Someone already invested in M4/3 and generally happy with the system's overall profile and performance is more likely to step up to this than to just change systems altogether, or not, neither is a wrong choice... Regardless of how much the internet wants to make everything a binary scenario.
If you go shoot with a D750, most other lenses you'll carry with it will be pretty big, tho you'll enjoy that FF performance envelope with them all... If you go shoot with this 24mm f2.8 equivalent on a small M4/3 body (and no, it won't be unbalanced on a GX85 or something like that) you can still squeeze a 12-32 and a 35-100 inside a jacket pocket or the pocket of a very small bag.
Shockingly, both scenarios have their merits.
sportyaccordy: $1300 for an F/2.8 equivalent lens....... to each their own I suppose.
I'd buy it if it were closer to a grand, and I didn't already have a 12mm f2, and I wasn't holding out for a 17 or 18mm (please!)... Lots of ifs, but they're really just indicative of my overall FL preference and budget. I think it's a pretty appealing lens overall, somewhat overpriced but not obscenely so.
Halina123: The problem is what this lens offers for the price.The way for the m43 format, both cameras and lenses, to survive and thrive is to undercut FF in pricing.
Not for someone already invested in M4/3...
Autriche78: Doesn't matter to me either way. I enjoy the feel of a real camera in my hands - maybe I'm showing my age here, but that's what I grew up with and that's what I'm going to continue to use, because it's not just about capturing the image for some of us but the whole experience. Holding a FF sensor 24-600 mm f1.2 smartphone "camera" still wouldn't do it for me.
How about a significantly longer lasting battery instead that keeps the phone going for a week? Much more useful.
Meh, smartphone camera improvements are kinda hitting the same law of diminishing returns as battery/SoC/efficiency improvements... There's only so much you can do with the sensor size constraints. This is particularly true if you look at the overall cos,t and doubly so if your sole or main reason for upgrading a $600-700 phone is better photos... That same kinda money put towards a 1" P&S will yield far far better results, regardless of what phone you're coming from.
I think there's still room to innovate in the modular space, for people who don't want two devices or a dedicated camera but also want something that's far more of a jump... The Sony QX concept would've made far more sense with smaller prime lenses (which phone users are already accustomed to) than bulkier zooms, but we've gotten every permutation BUT that. There was a small sensor QX + longer zoom, a 1" w/less zoom, and even one with a lens mount (plus a repeat of that in the Olympus Air).
A 1" QX module with a very small pancake 28 or 40mm equivalent (and they can be pretty small, look at those kinda lenses for M4/3) would be much more pocketable and an easier sell to those who shoot primarily with a phone. I'd be much more jazzed about something like that than dual sensor software trickery which you could probably just replicate in post anyway with a single sensor/lens stack.
Impulses: There's not even a link/credible source for these rumors, seems beneath DPR to rumor monger like this.
NOTE: The GSM Arena and BGR links aren't showing up AT ALL on the mobile site UI, which is why I said what I said above. I could've swore in the past I've seen source links on mobile tho, dunno if this is an error or a site UI change, or if I'm going mad. Re-reporting rumors is still a little weak IMO but I wouldn't have made the same comment had the site displayed the links correctly.
" If you want MFT for it's small size then choose small lenses. The little F/1.7 primes, the small zooms. Getting something like this or those Zuiko 2.8 primes and a big OM-D body just seems pointless to me. "
Sure, if you look at one body one lens combos in a vacuum it might seem pointless... Is that all you ever travel with? 1 lens + 1 body? Try to put yourself in a M4/3 user's shoes... A mid sized OM-D and a GM1 are still smaller together than some DSLR bodies, and you can pair that with several small 1.7/1.8 primes or zooms and maybe one larger f1.4 prime or f2.8 zoom... The end result is still far more portable than a kit based solely on a larger format.
That's just one of dozens of possible combos and permutations, so it really isn't about the one body + one lens combo, but about the system's ability to scale in a decent fashion, which is something pretty unique. Sure if ALL you're gonna buy is f2.8 MFT zooms and f1.2/1.4 primes then maybe you're "doing it wrong", but the availability of larger gear doesn't make smaller gear vanish from the lineup, if anything it broadens user choice.
It's not very different from a FF user having both an f2.8 zoom and an f4 zoom, or having a slower f2.8 prime because he values it's small size over the f1.4. Neither choice invalidates the other, both will always live with a set of compromises. The M4/3 shooter will never reach the heights of a FF's light gathering and the FF user will never have the option to drop down to something as small as a GM1...
And if you're really lucky you just go splurge on two different systems, most people aren't tho so they make their choice and they go shoot with it, or they come here and question other's choice. It's all good baby.