That Russian quality control does not come cheap. Not anymore, anyway.
Old Cameras: All of their comments are self reinforcing, they sound a little too sure of themselves. In ten years they'll be in exactly the same market position they're in now. They make cameras that try very hard to look like retro film cameras, and simultaneously can't wait to stop making film. Their products overlap each other and until yesterday they all had the same sensor. Their products are the opposite of innovation. Typical sales guys, toeing the company line. I think they're just throwing cameras against the wall, trying to find one that will stick. I like the style but I can't think of a compelling reason to own one.
They can't wait to stop making film because it isn't cost effective in small quantities (it was pure profit in the glory days.)
As for not innovating, these Fuji are cameras are ideal for people who used to use a rangefinder camera with a wide angle lens; not an experience everybody wants or is familiar with. You can tell when they make comments about how small the frame line is when using a telephoto (which is why a guy would have both a Nikon F and an M4.)
One area in which I think they are on the "cutting edge" is keeping the megapixels down. Customers, although not the DPR crowd, have repeatedly said no more megapixels (Thom Hogan has a good piece on this) but the "innovators" keep piling on the megapixels anyway.
You can tell these guys are from a photo company, not an electronics company. Guys at Samsung or Sony for that matter would not be drawing comparisons to 400-800 ASA film and how we got along just fine.
But your conclusions are obviously correct. Sony will not flounder and Fuji will not take their spot anytime soon. On paper at least, Sony will offer more for the money too. Fuji certainly knows medium and large format but who knows how many they could sell.
I'd be curious how the Sigma holds up after a year or two of hard use. Roger seems to think it will be ok.
arhmatic: I like your subtitle "retro slick"
I am still amazed how many people deny the importance of good design "because we are pros and because we need good ergonomics" or "this is a tool, not a fashion statement".
Industrial design does matter.Well done Fuji, well done Leica.
Who cares, indeed. What is beautiful to one person doesn't even register for another. There's a famous quote about the early sloped back Porsches "It looks ugly until you see what it can do."
Canvas is heavy and cheap (at least to the manufacturer.) This bag is over 4 pounds, empty. Canvas tends to soak up water too, even when treated. The only upside is that it looks like you're roughing it. Those big metal hooks add weight as well, and there's no shoulder pad. Ballistic nylon may not look as cool but it's much lighter and the good stuff is practically waterproof. To each his own.
mclaren777: The margin on these things must be at least 80% so it's only a matter of time before other companies help drive the price down.
Come on, China, bring on the knock-offs!
You mean they're not made in Italy (smiley face)?
It would be a shame to give this a silver award because the viewfinder behaves like a Leica M camera. In fact, its surprising people are surprised. If the appearance of the camera doesn't offer a clue, the film simulation should be indication. This camera will seem familiar to people old enough to have used a M3, M2 or M4.
Vanitas Photo: It is surprising how this companies operate inside:
The CEO screws up the pricing the new camera and the ones paying for his mistake are the 7% of workers being laid off...
But not only that they have less revenue, IE financially speaking they are doing great... There isn't REALLY a reason to lay off 7% of the employees.
Truth be told the real problem of Gopro is their business strategy, they have focused on action cams and now 360 cams, problem is you can't expect the market to be forever like when you started...
These days, layoffs are the solution to every problem, every bad quarter. Photo is no different, except some companies are so short staffed, people have to fire themselves.
But it all pales in comparison to a giant like Carly, who laid off 25,000 in one pass. There are small cities that don't have 25,000 people.
A (relatively) simple optical viewfinder would have made this a cult camera and distinguished it from the GR and $300 Coolpix A.
role_of_72: "Image stabilization: Unknown"
I hope it has one...
Not likely but brace yourself for the pros and experts telling you it's not needed with this focal length. Not correct, but they're entitled to their opinion.
johnvanr: How can it be called a camera in the vein of the X100 if it doesn't have a viewfinder? That viewfinder is a key part of the X100-series, the very essence of it.
Its like the X100 except for the lens and the viewfinder.
Dave Oddie: Another digital camera without a tilting or articulated rear LCD.
I honestly don't understand why. Having the ability to use it as a waist level finder or for other situations is a real boon and with digital it is not anything hard to implement.
Arguments about robustness are spurious in my opinion. The forums are NOT littered with stories of broken articulated LCD's.
This would make sense if Fuji knew a majority of their customers did, or did not want a tilting screen.
P.S. I almost forgot. My clairvoyance tells me this will receive a gold award. Now we have "non-final image quality" to go with our pre-production cameras so I predict a virtual gold award.
This one seems really nice. Reasonably light and without the fixed 35mm lens. Plenty of megapixels, plenty of dynamic range. Menus and options as complicated as Sony so there's something for everyone.
Geekapoo: Goll dang, what a tough crowd. Talk about nattering nanobs of negativity. LOL
Nice pics Barney...thx for the share.
It's true. You'd think for $2400 these guys expect perfection.
I don't expect this to go anywhere but the same "pros" who disparage film are quick to accept pretty much anything electronic that has a long menu and a lot of button presses.
And it's not as if there were any big breakthroughs at CES. About the best that can be said is that Nikon's timing was good in that nobody else showed anything.
At least they won't have to deal with DxO. Besides, all this sharpness business is getting boring.
Michael S.: Ahh...so far 28 CANON-fanboys "had it".
Oh boy, always those kiddies.
It was Ken Rockwell pressing the button 28 times.
Henrikw: Awesome camera for the pro market. Can I just remind people that the pro segment value build quality and more than happy to carry the weight of it? The lenses they attatch to it will often diminish the size/weight of the body. Seems people have become too accustomed to mirrorless/light weight/portability marketing and shocked when a camera of this caliber and purpose enters the market.If you consider weight a disadvantage it simply isn't aimed at you. And that's when you move on.
You're right and people buying this camera will not hesitate to call themselves professionals. But I think you meant that some of the lenses are so large and heavy, the weight of the camera isn't that significant.