A different approach. Instead of giving it to DPR and getting free publicity while calling it a prototype, or DPR's euphemism, "pre-production" looks like they want to wait until its something a person can actually buy. Bravo.
In the meantime, let's go ahead an give it a Gold Award. It's inevitable so why wait?
crazyryoga: It looks beautiful :) Do we already know what sensor is inside?
Looks almost thin enough to be a pocket camera that fits in a pocket.
justmeMN: Large sensor compact cameras are the future. MILC Dinosaurs are just so behind the times. :-)
When the Sony RX100 us the same size and thickness as my cell phone, I'll consider it a pocket camera. For now, it has to be carried separately so the small size doesn't make much difference.
Obviously, drives that spin are being replaced by drives that don't. But judging by the prices of SSD, there's not much money in WD's new business. There still seems to be good markup in CF cards but how many are sold and how long will CF be around?
SanDisk has much better marketing than WD so that's something.
Robert Kempen: I think the price is over the top, no the ergonomics are all wrong or maybe there should be no post processing when shot with a Leica
Read: I cannot afford Leica or Rolex or Breitling or Mont Blanc or...
My oh my, there is so much jealousy on display here, not to mention the endless ignorance
This camera is not too big, has stunning image quality and is NOT over priced for what you get - if you don't want it go troll elsewhere
Oh and by the way, lenses do not only produce image sharpness , they produce a whole lot more and the typical Leica photographer wants a tool that enables them to create stunning images - the almost child like ergonomics of a Sony and the Fuji toys are hardly in the same league
The analogies are wrong when making comparisons to Rolex or Mont Blanc. These are luxury brands for people who like nice things (who doesn't?) and have something to prove. The actual utility of a DuPont pen or a LeCoultre watch is no different from items that cost 1/100th as much.
While Leitz has produced some mediocre products, the majority really are better than stuff that costs less. In other words, you pay more but you get (a little) more.
aftab: I see lots of never-going to buy-jealous kind are talking about how ugly this camera looks. I will agree that this camera is not the best looking Leica. But the prize for ugly looking cameras should go to Sony. Forget DSLR, Sony can at least look at Pentax, Panasonic, Olympus, Samsung and Fuji to to learn how to make a decent looking camera.
If Sony had been making cameras 50 years ago, they'd have a handle on the aesthetics. But before we be hating on Sony, how many Walkmans have Pentax or Fuji produced?
LFPCPH: Please allow me to explain why this camera and the lenses are so big. The camera size is all about providing a good grip for handling big lenses. And so Leica provides lenses of a suitable size to match the camera. It really makes sense.
It's like matching a shirt and tie! More likely, they designed the lenses to perform well and properly cover the sensor.
Marty4650: Nice looking lens. And they priced it right. Weather sealed.... f/2.0.... normal lens. Hopefully, it will be optically superb.
Fuji.... the Leica everyone can afford!
Reichmann had an article about how the Sony guys really love photography, talking about "Photo Flow" (he didn't even get that right; it's Photo-Flo.) But from what I see, Fuji is a camera company, and thus can draw from an understanding of classic cameras. Sony is about electronics, chips and gadgets. And it shows in their cameras.
mosc: I can't even remember the last time I printed a picture...
People who worked in a darkroom understand the expense, time, effort, creativity and satisfaction. Those who grew up in a world of instant gratification see only trial and error and ink cost.
I think both are valid. Not eager to go back to spending a whole night printing, toning, washing, drying and flattening a few images. By comparison, inkjet printing is effortless but even this is too much for many busy people.
PazinBoise: So many people here seem to be of the mindset that if a product doesn't appeal to them it must be stupid and they can't fathom who would pay for that kind of money for this kind of camera.
Leica is a niche company and their customer base either loves the brand, loves the designs, loves the look they produce, or simply loves the exclusivity of their products. Regardless of what is their customer's driving factor to buy is what we do know is they can afford it.
Their products are like exotic luxury cars, they aren't meant for the masses. There may be other cars that offer better value to performance however that's not the point of buying one.
Well, products cannot be "stupid" as they are inanimate objects. But I think they're trying to have it both ways--small cameras for doctors, attorneys and some professional photographers and big stuff like this for specific applications and rental houses.
It sounds snobbish but if the price concerns you, it's not for you, especially with the short lifespan of digital cameras.
SergioSpain: Who is the target audience for this? I can see people buying compact Leicas to show off how rich they are, but who's going to want to carry this brick around?
This seems to address all the issues with DSLRs. They're too big, they're too heavy and they're too expensive. At last, these problems have been solved.
Dave Oddie: Unless there was something funny with the light the shots of the brick wall show very strong vignetting at F1.8 that only clears at about F5.6.
Even then the top right hand corner continues to lighten as the lens is stopped down.
There is a shot of the plane at F1.8 and that doesn't show this strong vignetting so either it's been processed out by Lightroom or whatever PP program was used (with a lens profile???) or there is something very odd about those brick wall shots.
Seems to be a characteristic of a lot of the new fast wide angles, even more expensive ones. But as I like to say about fast lenses, they're usually very good if you stop down.
mpgxsvcd: I really wish I had the opportunity to go to half the places he has been to at the age of 17.
Never discount the value of beautiful subject matter. I think these are very good. The shot underneath the Golden Gate is a view I haven't seen before. Well done.
D200_4me: There are still several reasons why I just can't convince myself to make Sony's full frame mirrorless my next camera. There are several reasons why I'd like to, but I still can't justify it based on how pleased I am with my Nikon full frame DSLR and my Fuji APS-C mirrorless cameras. It's tempting, but not nearly tempting enough yet. What I would be really happy with is Sony's sensor (not X-Trans version) with lots of dynamic range and a slightly altered version of the X-T1 body. So, I guess that means I'm still looking forward to the next Fuji body (even if it's X-Trans)? ;-) Personally, I don't see a need for X-Trans. My Df files are just as detailed as my X-T1 files, the Df files are smaller on the disk and my Df raw files load many times faster than the X-T1 raw files and converted to DNG much faster.
You have to wonder where Fuji has been lately. DPR has become a billboard for Sony, through no fault of their own.
straylightrun: Sony should release an entry level full frame a6 body without the EVF (like the original NEX-5) along with some budget primes. Instead, they are really pushing the premium market with their $3000+ bodies and $1000+ lenses.
How does anybody know a camera was a success or if they made money on it? The vast majority of people are not going to pay $2000 for a body so smaller sensors will be around for a long time. And of course some people prefer small and light.
You might be able to convince a few more consumers to step up to full frame if they could be assured their camera would not be replaced by a better model in 90 days.
Thank you Sigma, for preventing PhotoPlus from becoming SonyCon.
The little details are interesting too. I don't know what Global Vision is (a new fisheye on the way?) but I like the mount conversion service in case Nikon and Canon go out of business and we all have to use Sony. Special lens cap made from metal as an accessory, and Sigma thinks MIJ is a selling point (I agree.)
J A C S: The word "world" in the context of world's first, etc., is mentioned 5 times! BTW, Leica has 21/1.4.
By the pound, the Sigma is an even bigger bargain.
There are two reasons for the ubiquity of jpg and .pdf. One is, small file size but the other is the lack of unnecessary complexity. Though beloved by some, unnecessary complexity tends to make people look for something easy to use. Though I have been pirated and bootlegged more than I could ever count, I still think jpgs should be kept simple.
--And, as pointed out elsewhere, the DRM will take months to develop but, with any luck, just days to crack.