Let's be honest, here. It's a testament to Nikon's name that they can get away with something like this. And people are not going to switch to Sony or Olympus any more than they will refuse to buy the 5DIII because they think it's too expensive.
chiane: My God, could they sprinkle that with any more rose petals and perfume? it's like their spin team (I really mean marketing team) went into overdrive to make this problem sound as mundane as humanly possible and their camera as fantastic as humanly possible. I don't work in advertising, but do the people that do really think they can fool customers by writing flowery prose?
I don't mean to be rude but when things like this occur--and we're not talking about bad Tylenol, just spoiled photos--companies never admit "guilt" or beg for mercy. Besides, even falling on swords would be an inadequate response for some people here.
The reason given isn't the reason. Nikon USA has had a long and difficult history with gray market, going back to the EPOI days. Since gray market isn't illegal, Nikon US can't effectively go after the source, leaving them to target the customer. Crazy, I know. The idea is that if a US customer knowingly or unknowingly buys a gray product Nikon will refuse to service it. They have even gone so far as to refuse to repair these products if the customer is willing to pay. But those crafty customers have found they can sometimes get their Nikon fixed by an independent repair facility so Nikon is closing this window of opportunity. BTW, I'm a Nikon owner. But I'm not a fan. And I have never bought anything gray.
I think the real villain in this fiasco was the person at Fuji who published the literal translation "the camera performs within specifications". Obviously, this meant that all the stuff in the back of the instruction manual-- shutter speeds, focus, exposure were working properly. And that's all that it meant(!) The technician could just as easily have said "well, we don't have a specific test for orbs". But Fuji misread the consumers, some of whom flew into a rage, saying that Fuji was denying the existance of these orbs when nobody has ever said they don't exist. I personally doubt they were even aware of them but I am quite sure that before any new camera is released they will take lots of photos of car headlights.
My only question is, what should people do until late May (which sounds like a date that will slip)? I have yet to get a white orb so I'm not personally concerned, but if I was having this problem, this would be frustrating. At least they've made it clear that it's the sensor and developing and producing a new type of sensor cannot take place overnight.
Rawmeister: 60D - $950 Canadian7D - $1350 Canadian5D2 - $2300 Canadian5D3 - $3700 Canadian
The real value gaps between these cams is not so much.The 5D line should be 1899 and 2699.Canon is attempting a fleecing of the herd because they think they can.They didn't hear about the worldwide recession bound to last long time yet.Or maybe they did and are trying to stock up on cash reserves. Either way it just is not good customer relations. Those things do still exist - yes?
The Japanese have had a tough year, too. But more to the point, the price is not too high when the product is sold out in advance of the first shipment.
Frank C.: totally embarrassing for Sigma imo, those SD1s must be in a warehouse collecting layers of dust for them to slash prices like this, the original price was beyond wacko and so is this price cut totally beyond wacko again
Sigma is not large and as for the price, they simply could not miss by this much and have had some elaborate, clever plan. They goofed, plain and simple. They are also hobbled by their name (reputation) which, fairly or unfairly is not the best.
Paddy MBA: I was quite interested in the replies to my previous contributions. Some were very thoughtful. Some, obviously, were not.I spent my whole business life in marketing. Specifically, I specialized in the development of products that fit into identified market niches. No product can be everything for everyone. Camera companies tend to develop their products forwards; that is, they develop the products from a tech / design standpoint rather than identify the market first and develop the product to meet needs / opportunities (the proper way to do it). The D4 and the D800 are engineering marvels, to be sure, but that's all they are. The Nikon engineers are in love with their technology at the expense of the marketplace. Specifically, what market niche does the D800 fit into? The D4, with its speed and low light capabilities, will be great for indoor sports. But, the D800? Perhaps, the D700 is still a better option.
While the camera industry is no different from any other in creating solutions looking for a problem, my experience was the Japanese were very receptive to customer wishes; the Germans less so (I worked for both) and you can see how the two approaches worked out. The manufacturer has to balance what is theoretically possible against what will sell well. The customer simply wants what they want and is convinced that things they deem essential are also essential to everybody else which is almost never the case. Sometimes, the same doctor who would would buy a microscope without questioning the price is a real tire kicker when it comes to his "profession", photography.
IcyVeins: What is the point of having ACR and Lightroom when they edit photos in exactly the same way?
Lightroom was designed by and for photographers, some of whom prefer to spend their time shooting and editing instead of being "technical". I agree that you can spend hours or days doing fantastically complicated image manipulation in Photoshop. What joy.
Yanko Kitanov: Too late - the image of the product is settled among the masses and the image of Fuji has been confirmed again - a producer that doesn't care for client support at all...not the best LT strategy.
If they do fix it, the amount of free publicity will have been astounding. Probably more posts on this little camera than any other, ever. Even now, with less than a week to go, people insist on speculating, based on no knowledge whatsoever. Some folks have even decided that whatever Fuji does will be unaceptible, even though they have no idea what Fuji will do.
kociasek: They will provide each registered user with a free hammer bearing the Fuji logo...
And a mirror.
Oh dear. I knew this day would come. Not sure how they will resolve it, but if they do, DPR readers will have to find something else to complain about. My suggestion: The D800 has too many megapixels and the 5D III has too few. This way, you can argue in both directions at the same time.
snake_b: If it is a recall, I'm betting it's going to be an upgrade, where you have to shell out more money, in order to get an XS1 or x100. Betting it's an exchange/credit program.
Enjoy paying more!
How do you know this? Did they consult with you?
Looks like a big improvement. I've been amazed at how my D700 is still usable at 2000 whereas my 5DII gets noisy at 500. Still not sure what ISO 50,000 is used for, though. Maybe if you leave the lens cap on?
Wubslin: Yet another winner for Canon! I wonder where this leaves Nikon? Maybe they should just break up the company and give the money back to the shareholders.
It leaves Nikon making cameras and Canon making cameras. And people who use Nikon cameras will continue using Nikon cameras. And people who use Canon cameras will keep on using Canon cameras. This "battle" exists only in your mind. And, as this stuff gets more and more expensive, users are even more locked in to one brand or the other.
FelixM: I hope this video was not shot using a 5DM3 ...
I ordered the camera. But what I remember most from the video is the barrel distortion of the brick wall. Somehow this distortion is considered entirely acceptable with video, even with big Hollywood movies.
jesusrc: I don't think it has any relation to the tsunami/quake. Cameras and lenses are small pocket money for Canon. Their big business are corporate printers, photo copying machines, big tv cameras.
True. And even with all that other stuff--(January 30): Canon Inc. (7751) said its president will step down after the world’s largest camera maker forecast profit will increase by less than 1 percent for a second straight year.President and Chief Operating Officer Tsuneji Uchida, 70, will leave both posts effective March 29 and be replaced by Chairman Fujio Mitarai, 76, the Tokyo-based company said in a statement.
Weyskipper: I am a great believer in in Canon. After all remember the company that gave us fast autofocus and the 5D MKII. Nikon has been trying to play catchup for a long time. Although I think the 5DIII is a damp squib, I am more than convinced that Canon has something awesome up its sleeve. Remember that they had the tsunami to deal with.
Funny; I thought Nikon had to deal with the tsunami as well.
rjohnson8: The comments so far have been hilarious. Just had to register to throw in my 2c.
Seriously, you lot are the definition of what ken Rockwell calls measurebators
People here are talking about how they are going to dump all their gear because there are phone cameras with higher resolution? It's pathetic. Even if you have half the gear you claim you have, you are the same people who run a mile when anyone asks to see your portfolio.
How about all you armchair experts get off your fat ass*s and actually take some photos rather than bitching about numbers? Yes I know all about the importance of equipment when it comes to commercial photography blah blah but you would get a hell of a lot more work if you put half the energy that you spend on bitching about canon/Nikon into learning how to take a more creative shot. That's why there are kids with 3Mp camera phones who can smoke you.
Yes, absolutely. Get out there and produce some Ken Rockwell-level photograhy. Then we'll take you seriously! P.S. If you found this comment helpful (I don't see how) please consider supporting my entire family with a donation.
Vidar NM: The comment stream. What a fabulous tool for people to interact and participate in discussions. Looking at skilled people revealing their insight and politely exchanging viewpoints is just wonderful.
I'm afraid you're in the wrong place. Everyone here is a "professional" and this informs their comments.