SteB: Olympus are the most innovative of all the Camera manufacturers. Remember live view first appeared on an Olympus camera. Olympus film SLRs had TTL flash metering long before the other manufacturers. When Olympus innovates, all the others soon follow. The original Olympus OM 35mm film SLR was the first compact film SLR, soon all the others followed. They may not have the resources of the bigger manufacturers to sustain their technological leads, but they are always ahead of the curve with innovation.
There is a strong inverse correlation between innovation and profitability with cameras. Maybe it's just that the underdogs feel compelled to do more and sell for less. I wonder if this is something Olympus can license.
mpgxsvcd: Noise performance of the Canon 7D mkII is not its biggest issue. Actually the noise performance in low light is quite good. Even the DXO tests show that its low light performance is less than ½ a stop behind its competitors. Take a look at the low light scene near the bottles at ISO 1600-6400 and you will see the 7D mkII noise is handled quite well.
Dynamic range is the issue with the 7D mkII. It is almost 2 stops behind its competitors in dynamic range. The studio scene can’t demonstrate that difference because the scene simply does not have enough dynamic range to exceed what the 7D mkII can display. If the dynamic range of the scene does not exceed the dynamic range capacity of the camera’s sensor you can’t draw any conclusions about dynamic range for that image.
This is a fair criticism but it's not as if Nikon and Sony, or even Fuji have solved the dynamic range problem. I think a world without HDR would be great, but we're not there yet.
Biowizard: Back in my film days, I ogled and rather fancied the Olympus Zuiko 8mm fisheye for the OM series - but these days, I just use my GoPro. Not sure I would want a fisheye with intentially POLISHED internals: for me there is no such thing as "creative" flare. I want the best starting point image possible (high contrast, sharp focus on the subject plane, soft bokeh in the back/foreground as desired) - but NOT low contrast and streaky flare, thanks.
Especially at a price point higher than my original OM-1 cost (OK, that was 40 years ago, eck hem ...)
These guys are really clever. Fisheyes are known for internal flare so instead of dealing with it, make it a virtue. If getting lots of elements to line up precisely is a chore, use fewer elements and have the lens tilt. The soft/selective focus thing is a lot easier and cheaper to pursue than trying to make the world's sharpest lens and it's easier to produce flare than get rid of it. Hey, it's art.
Stefan san: If DPReview supposedly places the most weight on image quality, how can you honestly recommend the Rebel SL1 / 100D over or alongside equivalently-priced and similarly featured/functional alternatives when it is behind by roughly 1 to 1.5 EV in IQ? (Hint: the difference is large, very large).
The difference in size and weight to the D3300 is minor by comparison to the difference in IQ.
There is absolute image quality without regard to size, weight, cost, speed, "user experience", trendiness and so on. DPR doesn't make those kinds of recommendations. Some of us are willing to put up with less than state of the art convenience in exchange for a slightly better image. Camera sales suggest most people aren't.
armandino: Unless you have an impelling need of a more compact camera DSLR is still a more compelling tool:1) Ergonomics2) Optics (choice, value)3) OVFThis comes not as a surprise to me and I am glad that most people recognizes it still. The mirrorless class needs to cut down on the hype and slash their prices especially on the optics in order to make a solid impact.
Mirrorless cameras are swell and Zeiss lenses are tough to beat. One way or another, everybody already has a perfectly good camera they sunk a lot of money into.
The only thing that will significantly help Nikon and Canon now is for some other companies to drop out. For that to happen, all they have to do is wait.
photog4u: Nikon makes some pretty good stuff. And Canon,yes. But Sony is on FIRE! Fast AF with reliable tracking, well implemented focus peaking with magnification, legacy glass, smoking good EVF, FULL FRAME and now with FIVE AXIS IS! All for under $2k! "Despite the emergence of mirrorless cameras, the market is still dominated by conventional DSLRs" I doubt very much if you will be able extol that statement for very much longer.
Nobody's on fire. Those that have a significant customer base are playing it safe and those with nothing to lose are trying a little bit of everything. If SLRs had some fundamental limitation, as rangefinder cameras did, these new camera designs would be solutions, instead of different ways to accomplish the same thing.
webrunner5: Why do people come on here and knock a camera they probably are not going to buy. If you don't like it don't buy the damned thing.
But don't mock people that want to buy one, or would if they had the money. Jesus, this site is just getting goofier everyday. Sony has just come out with probably the best camera 99% of the people on here could only have dreamed of 3 years ago, and all they could ever need and still knock it.
Go out and take a picture, which 95% of the people on here will never print, or make a penny off of and have a nice day. Its just a camera people. A darn good one at that.
I don't know what 95% of people will or won't do, but to each his own. Certainly nothing to take personally unless you are a camera.
Given people's enthusiasm for minor changes (which, although small, make the camera they own "last year's model") it's surprising camera manufacturers are not doing better.
M Jesper: Oh boy $1150 for a F4.5-5.6 tele, let the shitstorm begin ..
DxO will give it a higher number than a less expensive lens that will do the job equally well.
Cheezr: If you are going to include the X100T, you should also include the Coolpix A and the Ricoh GR, IMO!
Yeah, if the Fuji with fixed 35mm lens is ok, what's wrong with a fixed 28mm? And both the Coolpix and the Ricoh have "strong image quality" which means their sensors are large enough to produce consistently good images.
Jogger: Would have even been better with the Df sensor.
It's impressive that it's low noise at 16,000 ISO. I'm sure someone will find a use for this. Star photographers, private detectives, CIA...
Alan Williams ZA: I can't imagine anyone that would want a Sony dressed up as a Hasselblad, and pay 100x the price! Photography is about technology and art!
This isn't about photography.
Silat Shooter: I have to say after handling one of these 7D Mark II, it's a nice camera to work with. The points go pretty far out to the edges of the frame too, so very handy. Felt extremely responsive.
I've watched all the videos and read many of the reviews on the this camera. All are pretty consistent. But have to say all my local camera stores are sold-out of the body, and they all say the D750 is not selling for them. The Rental Houses also mentioned that 95% of their rentals are Canon, Nikon only accounts for a very small 5%, maybe 7%.
I have absolutely nothing against Nikon or Sony. I own two Sony cameras, and a Canon system. I recently got a chance to shoot a D810 and that camera ROCKS!! But why is it that Canon has been able to maintain such a dominate position in the market place? I've heard their Professional Services are far better than everyone else. Is that it? I'm curious?!
Although they have gotten a little better, in the US, Nikon frequently backorders. Since dealers have trouble selling from an empty wagon, a lot of retailers steer people away from Nikon. Canon usually announces the stuff and delivers it before the scheduled introduction. They're flexible with dealer returns and will even tolerate some gray market. Does this make Canon's sensor as good as Nikon's? Nope, but it explains why they sell so much stuff. And then there's good lenses and nice rebates.
Peiasdf: A warning shot to Canon and Nikon, no one will pay for overpriced crap forever when new comers can deliver more for less. The few Japanese brands and Yongnuo are slowly killing overpriced OEMs.
And a lot of the OEM flashes aren't made by the OEM.
P Hartung: As a Nikon guy, I'm always rooting for Canon to advance the technology since it benefits everyone (forcing the R&D of competitors to bring to market better products, especially Nikon). While I applaud Canon for updating their best APS-C body, I'm not sure Nikon will respond in kind - much less try to leapfrog their offering. The format appears to be focused on consumers anymore rather than producers.
My guess is, their focus is on customers. At least they should be. Great lenses (mostly) and perfectly usable bodies. They won't make the cover of Popular Science but heck, if every employee of DxO bought a Canon camera, how much difference would that really make.
ozturert: Summary of some comments:
1) I think this is a horrible camera because I don't need it.2) This is perfect because it's Canon.3) This is terrible because it's Canon.4) X camera is much better because...5) I cannot afford it, so it's bad.6) It must be bad because I've just bought another camera, so mine should of course be better. See xxx forum if you don't believe me!7) It's ISO25600 is worse than A7, so why should waste my money?8) It's bad because DxO says so.9) 7DMarkII is way behind its competitors like A7s.10) This is old technology compared to xxx.11) There is no WiFi so it's bad.12) Fixed LCD? Come ooooon!13) No touch LCD is a deal breaker for me, I'll continue using my IPhone.14) Only 20MP? This is 2014!15) The old 70D sensor!16) The best camera ever! Does it have Instagram-like effects?17) My camera has more effects!18) Sony is kicking aeass, Canikon is waaay behind!
Have you ever had to sit through a meeting where people ask questions they already know the answers to, just to prove how smart they are?
topstuff: To me, it looks like something from the last decade.
I know its got killer AF and the BIF guys will love it, but to anyone who doesn't need the sports/BIF AF capability, its just a big heavy brick with average IQ, IMHO.
I don't know who Bif is, but this seems like a pointless exchange of irrelevant information unless Canon is making record players and iPods. And yes, the price will come down. It always does and Canon has really decent rebates several times a year.
Dr_Jon: Very sad, they and Yongnuo are IMHO the best 3rd party flash manufacturers.
At the risk of the obvious, Germany can't compete with China. Even Japan can't compete with China. Not with TVs and flash, anyway.
JurijTurnsek: There is still room for A7 in Sony's line-up. Some people don't need IBIS and are happy with the low price and lower weight and bulk, excellent performance of the original A7. Maybe Sony will prolong its productions as it did with the RX100 series.
The only practical drawback or IBIS, IS, VR, etc is that you don't get to boast about how long you held the camera steady. Instead of asking why is it needed with a wide angle lens, people should be asking what harm does it do?
atamola: - do you hear that?- ...nope.- don't you hear that?- No, I don't. What?- That silence. That deep silence at Canikon HQs.
Actually, when the Sony's shutter goes off it's very easy to hear.
4.5 stops if true, is impressive. The "III" should be near-perfect, and not far off.