b craw: Okay, I'm pretty clear about many thinking this model a status symbol (and perhaps Leica cameras on the whole). And performance criticisms - fair. Criticism of price and value - fair. But at the end of the day some will choose this camera. And that will be dependent on a range of justifications. So long as a modern camera can produce good image results (as I'm sure this one can), then handling, tactile qualities/build, interface are relavent in relation to the depth of one's pockets. And I know quite a few less than wealthy but pretty successful art photographers who simply preference feel, and feel it part of the photography experience to a degree that they are willing to pay a premium (even without trust funds). They are talented individuals - not dumb or misinformed in any way. And their accomplishments are evidence of this. Many comments paint all Leica users as something akin to surgeons, casual photographers, whom want to walking about with expensive, chic gear. That is naive.
munro harrap says it well. After Nikon and Canon got out of RF cameras, a Leica M was standard issue for low light, low noise and sharp wide angles. These cameras were never cheap but they offered things you really couldn't get with a Nikon F or similar.
At the same time there were cameras like the Leicaflex, SL, SL2, R3, R4, etc that while being perfectly good cameras did not offer anything you couldn't get from any other SLR and the fact that they were Leicas and priced accordingly didn't change that at all.
Richard Franiec: Barney,
Since you have the cam for testing, could you drop it on concrete pavement to see if the premium price for " body carved from solid block" of T6061 Al alloy machined in Portugal is worth the expense?
It's expensive, sure, but you save $30 by not having to buy one of Richard's handgrips.
These are ok but I still think there is untapped comic potential in this new art form. Drones gone wild. Drones at the Bohemian Grove (ok, that might not be so funny.) Drones playing with pets. Drones at weddings, or Disneyland, or Walmart.
There are so many possibilities, it could be a year or more before it becomes a cliche.
Mike FL: I first saw this picture is from Leica's home page from "The legend lives on 100 years of Leica photography".
Below is the link for Photos' being displayed (including 'Flag Over Reichstag') in "EXHIBITION „36 PHOTO ICONS“ at Leitz Park Wetzlar (opening May 2014)" in English.
The Hindenburg conquers the skies...and the Titanic conquers the ocean!
Except for image quality, sounds like a great camera.
And all of this can now be replaced by an air conditioned sheet-rock room in San Jose. The intricate architecture, the experience, the jobs, all in the dustbin of history. Like watching a DVD instead of going to Radio City.
wetsleet: I'm constantly amused by so many armchair experts pontificating to whichever manufacturer how to fix their cameras and pricing to make them sell, and then just carry on with their mantra regardless when, guess what, the camera sells as-is, due - but of course - to a gullible public who sadly lack the archair experts' expertise and tragically don't realise that they should be buying a different camera at a different price.
Thing is, if the armchair expert happens to be a potential customer, their "expertise" really does matter.
Over and over, the Japanese have shown their mastery of understanding the mindset of western markets. When you work with them, especially in the photo industry, you realize they have a complete understanding of the North American/European/Australian customer.
I don't know who's buying these or how many were made but at least Nikon is addressing the situation. Of course, in true Nikon form they're giving themselves a pat on the back by saying it's so good, we're sorry we can't keep up. But it's a step.
Michael Piziak: I was unaware that the strap that came with my camera was inadequate until now.
Changing the strap will definitely make your SLR less obvious. But that's obvious.
You're in a crowd; people have knapsacks, purses, messenger bags, etc. But not you. As I scan the crowd, looking for something to grab, I see you have a strap that says NIKON in bright gold letters or CANON in equally enormous red letters.
I wouldn't expect anything exciting from this but at least Canon makes a good product.
forpetessake: How is Sigma's "try before you buy" any better than buy and return for full refund if not satisfied most vendors offer? In fact it's worse, Sigma offers just one week, while most vendors allow 30 days of use.
The open/demo stuff usually does go back to the manufacturer. Retailers know it's tough to sell a "repack" (and rightly so). Some camera distributors are much easier to deal with regarding returned goods, while others prefer to antagonize the retailer.
Rupert Bottomsworth: Actor Dennis Hopper gets first London exhibition - 4 years after death
What bad taste this title is. They guy has been dead for 4 years, for god's sake! It should be: The Hopper Art Trust is showing an exhibition of the late Dennis Hopper's photos.
The point was (I think) that in the art world, your art is appreciated more after your death, even if you were famous in life.
Antony John: Seems that many posters are upset that Nikon has dared to upgrade' the D800.If current users don't need the benefits of the D810 then I don't understand why they should be so animated.Relax.In a couple of years there'll be a D810 upgrade (D820 presumably) that will be "The best of the best - with honors" (courtesy of MIB #1).That Nikon are 'refining' an already excellent camera should be applauded not denigrated. It shows that there was little that needed modification on an already excellent camera with currently available technology.
There's a long tradition of "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything". And since this is mostly preaching to the converted, someone who has spent a lot on Nikon wants to hear that everything they make is wonderful. In fact, by this standard, DPR can be relatively critical.
I like to look at the whole package. What lenses are available? Are any exceptional or any dogs? How often are new items backordered and for how long? Last but not least, what is their tech support and repair service like?
ET2: "Unkind people might say that ‘early adopter’ is a polite way of saying ‘guinea-pig’."
Early adopters of bitcoin in 2009 and 2010 when it was trading for less than 1 penny and all of them millionaire now would disagree with being called "‘guinea-pig’."
Yes, and this is typical of what happens to people who stand in line to be the first to own new technology. It's always trouble-free and besides, they become millionaires.
Parry Johnson: I bought a Fuji S2 in 2002 for over $3000, sold it to a friend in 2006 for $400, and recently sold it again as part of his estate for $79. Resale value should not be a concern in this industry. Usefulness value should. I never expect to get any money back from my camera equipment, but expect it to pay for itself (and then some!) through actual paying clients or through the pure pleasure of the fun of photography.
So, for those well-heeled amateurs, go for it! For those not-so-well-heeled professionals and professional-wannabees-who-have-another-actual-full-time-job like me, euh... maybe, but only if it's really going to "pay off."
Investing in a high end digital camera is like investing in a BMW. You tell yourself its an investment but unless they stop making them after the first 500 pieces it never is.
You could argue these things are too cheap. Medium format digital is still for professionals because of the price but $3000 SLRs have created an army of new professionals.
JKP: Has enyone figured out, what specifically Nikon means when that say D800E has effects of AA filter 'canceled', while 810 has it entirely left out? What is the difference between the two cameras?
With the D800e, they had a AA filter but figured a clever way to negate its effects. With the D810, they left it out altogether but the customer still pays an upcharge for not having it. Like "yes, we have no bananas" only it's an AA filter instead of bananas.
eastwestphoto: For the money the A7r is a well featured DSLM camera Vs. the other so called Pro DSLR cameras. Adding the 100 adapters i have for legacy lenses and my Sony FE lenses; my image quality has been outstanding. True i use tricks, always focus with DMF, always use a polarizer filter to add help too the Contrast AF focusing system. Throw away the plastic sunshade and get a collapsible 55mm rubber for using Polarizer filter. Shooting great video, I am now wishing that websites upgrade their obsolete submission protocols to take 25 meg files or 1080P video on YOUTUBE or others. Still my ISP cannot handle more than a 10 meg jpeg image, so YOU SEE that the cameras are light years ahead of the web services already! Regards, Don@Eastwestphoto
Having a few more adapters might be helpful.
Donnie G: Combining the D800 and D800E into one camera will cut production costs and justify the bump in price for the D810. That's 2 wins for Nikon and one for D810 customers who will no longer be forced to choose between AA filter or none. IMO, this is the Nikon D800 that should have been made in the first place. Still, better late than never. Go Nikon!
Making it in Thailand will cut production costs and having a single model will mean that customers won't have to make Solomon's choice although I doubt very many people spent the extra for the D800e.
Kaj E: The highlight weighted metering may be a good solution for optimizing exposure for RAW-shooters.
Much quicker than spot metering and recomposing.
Still add RAW RGB histograms and we are there.
I thought Nikon's dynamic range was so superior to everyone else that you just could not blow out the highlights.
57even: Perfect. Such a relief. I have no need to upgrade my D800.
Now back to the 1980s when I only had to upgrade a camera every 10 years because I wore it out. That's worth spending $3k for.
"Improvements" that allow you to do something you could not do before, are worthwhile.