edtav: Too bad Samsung does not make a powerful external flash with SWIVEL function for their NX cameras, otherwise I would really consider the NX20. Get serious Samsung..!
My first recollection about photography is my father complaining that: he has to shoot in B&W because color film and its processing costs too much and the only place which can develop the film is on the other side of the city.
I think somebody had to release B&W digital camera, if only to remind people why everybody went to color and haven't looked back much.
B&W and vignetting this days are art filters - not compromises one has to live with.
Now you can open an art Book, have a look at the current best photographers in activity today...and start wondering why you see so much Black and White photographs.
Jogger: The cost of the camera and 50/2 would buy you a D800 and $13000 of very good lenses. Am i making too much sense?
Just a matter of choice.If I had this amount of money, I would rather go for this B&W Leica with a one and only 50mm or 35mm than a new Nikon Machine Gun anyday.As a owner of a much older and much cheaper Leica M8, there is no reason I would trade my body for a Nikon D800E or an XPro1 whatever.Leica is the style of shooting style and experience I have been looking for. I want to stick to it because it is what I like.You can do all the comparison possible to show how superior an XPro1 and a D800E is superior in sharpness etc. to a Leica M8...I won't trade it anyday for my DailyLife photos. Then if you talk about a "workshorse"...sur I would never buy a Leica M for that matter...except if you work at Magnum as a streetphotographer.
photo nuts: Is this some kind of mistake: X-Pro1 captures resolution 'parallel, if not superior, to a full frame sensor'???
It cannot even compare with a 16 MP APS-C sensor!!!
All I see is mush.
I think what is wrong is that this statement is too general. They should have said: X-Pro1 captures resolution 'parallel, if not superior, to some full frame sensors
opticaloptimum: Those making negative comments about Leica nearly always overlook the superiority of Leica lenses.
sgoldswo > You know...a M9 sensor is so inferior that we could even hardly call it a sensor...! The reason to that, reading all those comments, is simple: It doesn't have LOL clean 25 000 isos to shoot in a sunny day at Iso 6400...so obviously this sensor may be crap! Moreover...2FPS and slow buffer??? Whaha! With my Sony A57 I have 12FPS and a fast buffer so I can review each of my pictures instanltly without any delay when I take pictures of my cat lying on the Sofa in burst mode! This also helps me capture the decisive moments and get cat master pieces like HCB would have done in this modern age!!! Since it's obvious he would have been using a 5d MKIII at iso 100 000 with a 500mm F4 to do streephotography and avoid angry people noticing him taking their pictures.
jwalker019: I checked out an M9 at a local camera shop to see what all the fuss was about. It was a lovely experience: the camera is clearly a fine piece of work, the rangefinder experience is enchanting and the lenses are to die for. But it's also heavy like a brick, has no hand grip to speak of, and has a *very* noisy sensor which was outclassed even when it was released.
I just can't buy into the idea of an $8k camera (no matter how seductive the look and feel) with a fixed, antiquated sensor. Unless you simply have money to burn, it doesn't make sense with a device you'll need to upgrade every 2-3 years.
I disagree. HCB was so obssessed by getting the picture right that he even refuse to crop any of his pictures. Now you say he would have jump on digital and so post processing? I don't think so, despite we will never get the answer to this question.
If people nowadays are amused and feel good with Iso 25000 well I'm happy for them. Photographers, with film cameras, didn't wait that high isos were inventing to start shooting at night tough.
If your thing is Sport phography...then I doubt a manual focus camera is something you should consider...even it has kickass crazy high isos...
clear glass: Yes, a Leica rangefinder is slower. You want to be slower with your digital camera? Wear gloves; that will slow you up.You think more about pictures with a Leica rf? Put your digital camera on full manual, take your time, and think.You see better with a Leica rf? A. You don't see your depth of field. B. Objects don't line up exactly right because you're looking through a separate viewfinder, not the lens. C. A hidden benefit for me, probably because I wear glasses: the rectangle outlining the field of view in the vfs of my M2, M3, M5 and CL looked like a trapezoid; really hard to line up horizontals.Leica rf's are beautiful? Yes. But that won't make your photos beautiful.Every time I pick up my GH1, I thank the inventor of the back screen.
You know what. If you are convinced that a GH1 is a much better camera for yourself...maybe you can possibly imagine and understand that a Leica body is what works best for others?No?? Ah...it doesn't work in the other side?...right.. :/
wb2trf: Leica cameras are bad and, more importantly, irrelevant in the digital age. One may as well have a political conversation about the Russian nobility. Leica's significance if it has any remaining, is as a lens maker. If you want to enjoy Leica lenses, buy a Nex and put it on it.
I'm always amazed how people can bash a product they even never touched once in their Life.Oh my bad...my camera is irrelevant in this digital age. I should stop taking pictures right now.Tell us what is best than an M lens, which is manual, on a M body...with a coupled rangefinder?Ah...yes...Sony guys all know it...an EVF with focus peaking of course! :/
starwolfy: For those who like racing Cars I feel a Leica M9 is a bit like a Porsche 911.It's a pure joy of engineering. It is well made, works amazing well, in a really "pure and raw" approach of racing/photographing. It is mastered best with all options turned off and is capable of producing excellent results under excellent "driving". But, in an other hand...it won't tolerate any mistake from you if you mess. Is is more subtle to use than any other cameras/cars and it may reward your efforts quite well if you do it right.
As the opposite...today's other digital cameras are a bit like the newer Nissang GT-R. It is super technological, super electronical, full loaded of options to help and avoid user mistakes and help him to stay on the track as fast as possible in any circumstances. It's capable of biting a Porsche 911 on the track but is regarded by "many" but not "all' test drivers as a super fast but taste less car/camera compared when piloting a 911.
qwertyasdf > I don't understand what you want to say with your Honda Civic...and the fact it's adequate at a cheaper price point.I have never talked about price nor said you cannot take pictures with cheaper tools. I have talked the feeling in use and tried to make a comparison between what I think is a Leica against what I think are modern cameras for those who never experiments a Leica body.
The funny thing if you agree my comment is that Porsche and Leica are German brands, and Canikon/Fuji/Oly are japanese one...as is the Nissang GT-R.
Do we face a cultural thing here?
For those who like racing Cars I feel a Leica M9 is a bit like a Porsche 911.It's a pure joy of engineering. It is well made, works amazing well, in a really "pure and raw" approach of racing/photographing. It is mastered best with all options turned off and is capable of producing excellent results under excellent "driving". But, in an other hand...it won't tolerate any mistake from you if you mess. Is is more subtle to use than any other cameras/cars and it may reward your efforts quite well if you do it right.
exifnotfound: I don't think it's the sensor that is way beyond DSLR, it's the lenses which are better.There's no way on earth they can justify that kind of price for a camera, it's just a fashion accessory for rich people.
You know I am not rich and I don't care fashion but I have a Leica.Reason? It's one of the rare cameras which are 100% dedicated to manual focusing and which is digital. To me a great, big and bright rangefinder coupled with Leica lenses could never be replaced by any EVF.Most people who do not own a Leica M digital think like you (and I mean...'to own a M'...not 'to try a M for 1 day' as it takes several weeks to master the camera.).
If Leica is selling so well...it's because its shooting style is suitable and valuable to some photographers. Regarding what a Leica can offer me today comparing to other offerings: Amazing built, Amazing lens, Manual lens coupling, Real Rangefinder, Small, Simple...there is no way I could trade my M for an other camera and the price totally worth it to me. If it's the price to pay for a traditional-wayofshooting-thought camera...then I'm willing to pay this price.
Marty4650: What we have here is an exceptionally well made obsolete product.
I actually own and love a Leica M3, but the rangefinder design just doesn't cut it anymore. In it's day, it was the ideal compact 35mm camera. Today, the MILC cameras do it better, and at a much more reasonable cost.
Frankly, I'd rather have my Olympus EP1 and $9,500 in my pocket than a brand new Leica M9 plus lens. In many respects the EP1 will outperform the M9, but it just won't have the same prestige or status.
Lets be honest for a moment. If this very same Leica M9 had a Samsung badge on it, then no one would pay more than $800 to buy it.
This isn't about photography, it's about jewelry.
Weirdly I am from the young generation and starting photogtraphy with all those new tools like mirrorless camera.MILC was a good opportunity for me to try manual oldies lenses.The experience was so great to me that I decided to buy one of the only 100% manual focus dedicated camera out here: a Leica M8.The simplicity and the raw approach of this camera was so great to me that I sold all my other gear since. I even bought a M3 cuz the M8 made me to want to try film camera.This randefinder approach is amazing for me and I could not go back to anything else.I feel these Leica camera are saving me from consumerism. I am not into the high iso race, nor the pixel war, I am just shooting without feeling any need for an upgrade...and happy with the idea I'll maybe keep my lenses foreover...and this for the first time in my Life.
I'm wondering how people shoot in their daily life and why they need so much high isos.I have an even older and worse Iso performer M8 which is use at Iso320 maximum. I rarely feel the need to go up iso640.If a camera was just about Isos...then I don't know how Cartier Bresson would have taken so beautiful shots for decades like he did with just a film camera.
Jeff Seltzer: The autofocus is only slow in comparison to some cameras. But, it's fine in absolute terms. It's not the camera for you if you want to shoot sports. But, it's fine for landscape and portrait work - at least for me.
People say the XPro1 is really comparable to X100 autofocus. I have a X100...god it's damn slow.....I focus much quicker with a manual focus camera because it's direct and precise. I don't need to clic 3-4 times before the X100 effectivly look on what I want to focus.For a high end camera...I expected much more from Fuji with its XPro1. I thought this camera could be a great High Iso partner to complimente my other bodies like my M3...but what to do with such good Isos when it just won't focus?
gordon lafleur: I'm an x100 owner and had higher hopes for the xPro1. I'd hoped Fuji had listened and learned. Obviously not. Why are there bugs at all? Heads need to roll at Fuji
if you have customers who complain...at least that means you do have customers.
thewhitehawk: It's a shame that the compact models don't seem to have as many manual controls as the Nex cameras, at least the Nex 7's. This seems more user-friendly oriented than enthusiast-oriented, it seems to be more in line with the Nex 5 or the Olympus Pen series.
They do look nice though. Not that it matters much to some photographers, but the construction quality and design seems to rival (or borrow heavily) from Sony's cameras, like Samsung usually does.
So you won't buy any Canon and Nikon because their first cameras were basically a copy of Leica cameras?
Still...you will not buy any car other from German one...since German people invented car...so all other brands copied them?
These days some people are going back to film cameras (like I do) and much enjoy it. Do you think in few years, when we get older, we will be able to say to our grand children things like : 'back my time we had DSLR to take pictures'. And then you will get the DSLR off the dusty shelve, turn it on and give it to your grand child to play with this "classic". :D
Adam Filipowicz: within two years 4k tvs and monitors will be available for public consumption. at prices that high end 1080p tvs are today
Funny for me who do not have a TV at home.
Robert Daniels: Whoaaaaa Nelly!!! I think Leica maybe in a little trouble to say the least. these images are good. Especially the low light. Leica will still kill them softly with their lenses...albeit expensive ones.
I'm always intrigued why anytime there is a new camera some people say 'Leica is in trouble'.Still...a M9 is still one of the only 3 digital rangefinder in the world and still a M9 is the ONLY Full Frame digital rangefinder in the world.If a Leica user was making his purchase decision based on a list of 'Specs' he would not buy a Leica M9.Think again and try to understand that no everybody require the sames 'needs' when chosing a camera. This FUji could have 10FPS and clean Iso100 000 that it won't make it more attractive to me.