soundtrip36: I had a D600 before but sold it eventually because of this issue. At first I never mind the dust in the sensor because I can clean it right away but when the oil spot shows, I'm getting frustrations in cleaning the sensor. And Nikon service center here charge for cleaning eventhough I bought the units from them, though the price of their cleaning is haft the price against the grey units that wasn't bought from them. That was before they admit that the dust are coming from the inside and not because in changing lenses. Now they have free cleaning service for 2 years until the warranty expires. I hope I didn't sold it in the first place.
But before I acquired these D600. I never looked at the LCD for every image I took. When the dust starts to appear, I have this insecure feeling in every image I took and feel like I have to look at the LCD and IQ every time I press the shutter.
Then if you feel stressed by your camera I think you took the right decision to sold it. I hate when I cannot trust my equipment.
Wilmark: "We covered this issue in our in-depth review of the D600, last year."From the review final page "We're working with Nikon to understand (and further test) this issue and we'll update this review accordingly as we use the camera over time."
First off the problem seems to be OIL and NOT dust. Big difference. The other point is that I see you did consider this issue in your D600 review and yet you awarded it your GOLD AWARD. I cannot see how one can recommend this camera with this problem - it was prevalent in the model you tested, yet you gave it one of your highest ratings for a DSLR. Now you will understand why I never look at DP review for buying choices, I just come for news. How can anyone trust your reviews, when you have highly recommended a camera that probably has a serious design flaw, even when you picked it in your test model. Your high rating is that with oil or without? (a la Mc Donalds combo)
Vignes...I have a D7000 and was thinking of swiching FF with this D600...but I got stoped by this issue, mainly.Since now they announced the D7100 and improved so many things from D7000...I know feel I did the right thing not to invest into a D600. The more I see the D600...so more I see a simple D7000 with only an FF sensor in it. That is not an improvement and when I see what is ready for the D7100 I feel this D600 is a pure joke in the end...especially at its price.
I have to agree with wilmark that if under real field condition the camera spreads oil everywhere...then it seriously deteriorated it's overall IQ...despite this IQ being very good once you clean your sensor...again and again.
Micky Nixgeld: Further more, I never heard that they use oil in cameras. They use a special grease which is quite a different thing, and even IF they did grease a little too much, they´d do it with a few and not hundreds of cameras.NO! I think the main problem with this camera is a bunch of extremely envious Canon users who are constantly trying to degrade Nikon. (There are several postings who ad 6D for example). And that´s why I´ll stick to Nikon. The probs with D600 will soon be solved. Whatever the REAL prob is.Period!
I own a Nikon D7000 but I am not a Nikon fanboy nor a Canon one. I think nobody can be in deny regarding this "issue". It's not the biggest issue ever...but it's still an issue.
Anfernee Cheang: I don't mind if you make it 50% thicker but with F2.0 aperture Sony. We need more fast lenses. The 35/1.8 and the upcoming 85/1.8 are definitely better idea.
And also we need more premium lenses like 16-50/2.8 and 50-150/2.8. I am still in the transition from single Alpha body to double E bodies, with the issue that my 16-50/2.8 SSM and 70300G do not have any nice replacement... That's really a painful long wait.
Funny how people are getting crazier and crazier for fast lenses as time goes by.
F2.8 for a 20mm is quite bright already. Moreover with the good high Iso's we can find in today's cameras I am wondering why anyone would need a faster wide lens ?
It's not like you are looking for bokeh when you put a 20mm lens on your body.
I'm amazed that for most people a picture is good only when there is creamy cheesy bokeh everywhere. This must come from the fact that it looks "pro" to beginners.
Juck: I'm dying to see what this thing can do with my EF 50mm 1.4 & 85mm F1.2. The possibilities certainly make me look at my lens collection a bit differently. ,,, even my ancient 70-210 f/4 and 28-70 F3.5-4.5 might see the light of day again.
I agree the price is a bit of a sting, but I'm nerdy enough to give it a whirl if the early reviews and example photos are good.
So basically, the lenses supported are newer lenses with NO focusing scale on it. Is that right ?
forpetessake: In the final analysis what it means is that APS-C and m4/3 lens manufacturers have no excuse creating lenses same size as FF but faster proportionally to the crop size. If the typical f/3.5-5.6 zooms were ok on FF, the APS-C typical zooms should be f/2.3-3.7 and m4/3 should be f/1.7-2.8 to collect the same light on smaller surface. Why do Olympus/Panasonic/Sony produce those terribly slow APS-C/m43 lenses instead?
Noirdesir what you say is a non sense for a simple reason.If there is one lens for Leica which is 0,95 it simply because it is a really specialized lens which is damn expensive to produce to get good result wide open.
The fact there are three for mirroless just show that the marketing understood than most of mirrorless users would break the bank for one those because there are the kind of users who still believe the brightest the lens, the best the high iso, the best the picture. That is so wrong :)
Moreover these bright optics for Mirrorless are quite low performers overall.
wakaba: A.) take a camera that can hardly resolve 1200lpm-slow AF-no viewfinder-supersmall sensor-heavy incameraprocessing-hardly enough battery power to run a "big" AF-lensB.) stick an adapterring on -that has additional glass in it- lots of electric leads-is generic to lensesC.) stick an expensive lens on-that can resolve 2000lpm-is hardly compatible with the ring
...and get what exactly? Better pictures? DoA.
Is the more modern the better ? I don't think so.
MrPetkus: Tantalizing cam. As a consumer, it's frustrating that Fuji's 3 APS-C offerings are in such different evolutionary states. I like the XPro1 but the recent XE1 has a better EVF spec. Now the X100 comes out with on-chip phase detection and both focus peaking and split focussing...
I, for one, will certainly not purchase either the XPro1 and XE1 knowing that these important (to me) features are in the pipeline. Fuji's outstanding trio is out of sync.
You didn't know MrPektus that 'Frustration' is the key to a good marketing strategy ?See how all those happy Fuji X100 owners are about to break the bank again, some months only after the X100 (if they didn't already did it for the X-Pro 1 or X-E1) because Fuji adressed their frustrations with the X100S.
Don't worry thought...there will remain some frustrations to be adressed in the next next camera update ;) to be willing to switch to X-Pro3 and X-E3
digby dart: Doubtless the Sony RX1 and or a single lens Leica M/Nikon D4 have their advantages, some physical, some in the ether - this Fuji X100s is the one that makes the dream affordable - plus it brings some advantages of its own.
Like sticky aperture ?
I highly recommend the NX series. Very capable and user-friendly cameras. Can't be disappointed.
Karl Summers: Sorry I missed it. I was at the LG booth checking out their vacuum.
I was checking Samsung's cars !
Chris Tofalos: No EVF! Very poor thinking, Samsung...
ChrisKramer1 it seems you know more than what you say here ! You say a Nex5n has a better sensor than the one in this new Samsung camera which was not yet released. I'm impressed and look forward to see all your testing reports, charts as well as all the secret documents you stole from Samsung. Thx
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>>> In an other word...this company does not really know what it wants to do. They are lusting for the kind of electronics + Trend marriage product thing...in any field it seems.
It seems they even cannot make a decent picture of their own product:
zinedi: I appreciate some progress (especially if split-image MF will be usable in practice). But I am deeply disappointed that the old unreliable SAB prone lens was not replaced. I'll wait about 1/2 year to see some service reports - if the lens is likely to survive at least 2-year's working cycle.
Yes they did redesigned it. But what about people like me who didnt' shoot their X100 much and who got the problem after the end of warranty period ?There were so many problems about this that I'm astounded Fuji just ignored us regarding this issue. So basically....as an early adopter I got screwed by Fuji because of their product design error. They didn't take responsibilities for this and that is a huge disappointment.
How can I be willing going for an other Fuji camera again and spend 1300$ in it again ?People may say: hey, I don't have a problem with mine. Well that's fine until it happens to you.
starwolfy: Sure that sounds like an amazing re-born for the X100, now called X100S for Steroid.Too bad Fuji didn't agree fixing my sticky aperture problem that occured with my X100...for free.
They didn't. Out of warranty. That kind of sucks when you know this is 100% product design issue...
Sure that sounds like an amazing re-born for the X100, now called X100S for Steroid.Too bad Fuji didn't agree fixing my sticky aperture problem that occured with my X100...for free.
Gioradan: Nice to see that Samsung have such a loyalty to the brand.But unless a camera manufacture pay you to shoot with their product, the loyalty should be to yourself. And you should be able to critic a camera even if you spend good money on it. While looking like a nice camera, it is lacking any dials to control quickly the exposure. Samsung blurb mention some aperture control in the lens but there is not aperture ring. So you probably will to sacrifice other function to do that. This where most of Panasonic equivalent cameras and all of Sony NEX cameras have the advantage.Seemingly Lack of direct control make this camera more of a very smart point and shot rather then a full creative toll.
Wow, basically you don't know what you are talking about ;)The lack of button won't be a big issue I guess simply because the main photographic features are available from a nicely placed button on the lens linked to a fast ergonomic menu.
Spectro: Samsung evil camera has been out for awhile. Saw one at fry's years ago and ask if they sold many, and she said no. Advertisement and branding play strong in shopper minds. I thought it was a good series for the features at the time.
He didnt'mean evil. He meant Electronical Viewfinder Interchangeable Lens camera :)