Marty4650: Fuji is doing something very smart here.
They realized that the CSC market is already overcrowded, and they would never get much shelf space at Best Buy or Costco, so they created their own niche at the high end.
They have become the "MILC Leica" with an outstanding set of beautifully styled well made cameras and nice extremely nice lenses to go with them. They also deliver outstanding image quality, so they have credibility with high end users. They are expensive... but not nearly as pricey as Leicas are.
Leica is positioned on the niche market of cameras as a good photographic tool as well as a luxury good (more and more).
So for you, and simply because you don't like the brand (for whatever reason) you are telling us that they are not positioned on a market ?
I think you shouldn't make such basic and public reasoning simply because you don't like the brand.
You didn't say it, but you are surely the kind of guy who could have said: "I wish Leica will sink soon".
I've always wondered why someone may wish a company sink just because they don't understand their products or market position.
dpLarry: In USA years ago you used to lose a wallet and somebody will return it with the cash intact. I think those days are gone unless the people who picked up the wallet are senior citizens.
Hey ! I lost my wallet 3 years ago in France. I never got it back since then.
Is it sharper than a Leica M11 at Iso 12800 ?
Where is DxO sensor sharpness test chart for this camera ? Couldn't find it and it's all what matters.
Am I the only one not to like touch-screen ? I think I am doomed regarding mobile devices and camera. I should try to get use to it... ;)
jorepuusa: 1. To have any common sense in an article like this, a photojournalist should always show an 100% faximile of the page with the picture and headline, those work together, these kind of pics need text as all press pictures do.2. Most of the others who comment cannot understand that photojournalism is 95% of something else than actual photography.3. Somebody was p.....d of because he did not get exact advice, well why should a pro give exact advice for an amateur and then loose his job cause the amateur gives his pictures for free and steals pro´s job.Dreview shows pictures of war but cannot show swear words like p.....d, what hypocrisy, thank god I live in Europe.
Not so sure about american freedom of speech. I remember once on this forum a guy took a picture of little girl playing in the street.
I can remember all the comments saying he could go to Police or hit by parents for such a shot (it was taken in the US).
At first, as I am not an American, I didnt understand what everybody was talking about and why every body was so hot on that picture until I understood people were meaning the photographer could have been taken for a perv.
I was astounded.
When I looked at this girl picture I've never ever thought of such a thing. This was just a candid street shot of a little girl... :/
I was a little chocked because I did the same many times here in South Korea and I am not a perv nor never got hit nor never went to police nor never was taken for a perv...
I am just a amateur photographer who has the right to take pictures in public places.
samhain: The 56mm isn't coming out till the end of the year!?! Wtf fuji.I'd like to know what marketing genius at Fuji said "hey- we're gonna make this awesome retro rangefinder style camera- but lets do the initial release with a slow 60mm macro and wait 3 years to put a proper portrait lens out, because this camera is much more suited to people shooting macro than portraiture & candid street shots ". That guy should be fired, but only after being kicked in groin repetedly. The initial 3 should've been:23mm 1.435mm 1.456mm 1.4 Macro/wide angle/zoom should've been secondary.
Or maybe that marketing genius just thought:
Hey ! Let's make a crazy sharp sensor with crazy igh iso so that any amateur jumps on it. Then let's make some basic slow lenses so that they can buy them all as they are on GAS...and wait a bit more to launch crazy bright glass so that they are on GAS again !
So finnaly that guy is not fired but promoted ! ;)
whtchocla7e: What serious photographer posts their images to google's search engine?
I run an online business and I have a competitor who stole an entire part of our Home Page design...and put it on his own Home Page design. The reason was that he found these pictures on Google Images and thought it was rights free because it is on Google... :/Because we work hard on SEO, of course our images have titles and descriptions...so it is well positioned on Google Images if you type the right key words while making a research. It is what this competitor just did...and has he was ignorant regarding copyrights laws...he stole it. After some hot discussion he finally accepted to get rid of the pictures from his webpage...because the moron just won't accept he was violating copyrights. I had to threaten him of law pursuits to make him understand he did something wrong. It's hard to discuss on an intelligent and calm basis when the other party believes he his 100% right because is ignorant.
Isnt' the X-E2 coming soon ?
Just a tought for Fuji...which never recognized the sticky aperture issue with its Fuji X100.Mine is still blocked a full aperture...and I think will remain as such for my FIRST and very LAST Fuji product that I've had and will ever buy in my all Life.
I got sucked the same with an ACER computer in the past. I will never buy an ACER product again.
I know you can face problems with any brand...but at least there are brands which recognize their mistakes and take responsibility for it. Those are the brands I prefer to invest in, despite it cost me more sometimes.
f8BeThereToo: Well, what I have learned from this debacle is that I should wait at least six months before I buy a new camera or lens. And not just from Nikon; this sort of thing also happens to other companies.
One of the great things about the Internet is that it is easy to find actual user reviews about gear that has been used for a period of time under a variety of conditions. Most editorial reviewers do not have the luxury to shoot thousands of images over a period of weeks...
If you get sucked-in by the marketing hype these days you are sometimes doing beta testing for the manufacturer.
My dad has been saying this to me for the last 20 years.
soundtrip36: I had a D600 before but sold it eventually because of this issue. At first I never mind the dust in the sensor because I can clean it right away but when the oil spot shows, I'm getting frustrations in cleaning the sensor. And Nikon service center here charge for cleaning eventhough I bought the units from them, though the price of their cleaning is haft the price against the grey units that wasn't bought from them. That was before they admit that the dust are coming from the inside and not because in changing lenses. Now they have free cleaning service for 2 years until the warranty expires. I hope I didn't sold it in the first place.
But before I acquired these D600. I never looked at the LCD for every image I took. When the dust starts to appear, I have this insecure feeling in every image I took and feel like I have to look at the LCD and IQ every time I press the shutter.
Then if you feel stressed by your camera I think you took the right decision to sold it. I hate when I cannot trust my equipment.
Wilmark: "We covered this issue in our in-depth review of the D600, last year."From the review final page "We're working with Nikon to understand (and further test) this issue and we'll update this review accordingly as we use the camera over time."
First off the problem seems to be OIL and NOT dust. Big difference. The other point is that I see you did consider this issue in your D600 review and yet you awarded it your GOLD AWARD. I cannot see how one can recommend this camera with this problem - it was prevalent in the model you tested, yet you gave it one of your highest ratings for a DSLR. Now you will understand why I never look at DP review for buying choices, I just come for news. How can anyone trust your reviews, when you have highly recommended a camera that probably has a serious design flaw, even when you picked it in your test model. Your high rating is that with oil or without? (a la Mc Donalds combo)
Vignes...I have a D7000 and was thinking of swiching FF with this D600...but I got stoped by this issue, mainly.Since now they announced the D7100 and improved so many things from D7000...I know feel I did the right thing not to invest into a D600. The more I see the D600...so more I see a simple D7000 with only an FF sensor in it. That is not an improvement and when I see what is ready for the D7100 I feel this D600 is a pure joke in the end...especially at its price.
I have to agree with wilmark that if under real field condition the camera spreads oil everywhere...then it seriously deteriorated it's overall IQ...despite this IQ being very good once you clean your sensor...again and again.
Micky Nixgeld: Further more, I never heard that they use oil in cameras. They use a special grease which is quite a different thing, and even IF they did grease a little too much, they´d do it with a few and not hundreds of cameras.NO! I think the main problem with this camera is a bunch of extremely envious Canon users who are constantly trying to degrade Nikon. (There are several postings who ad 6D for example). And that´s why I´ll stick to Nikon. The probs with D600 will soon be solved. Whatever the REAL prob is.Period!
I own a Nikon D7000 but I am not a Nikon fanboy nor a Canon one. I think nobody can be in deny regarding this "issue". It's not the biggest issue ever...but it's still an issue.
Anfernee Cheang: I don't mind if you make it 50% thicker but with F2.0 aperture Sony. We need more fast lenses. The 35/1.8 and the upcoming 85/1.8 are definitely better idea.
And also we need more premium lenses like 16-50/2.8 and 50-150/2.8. I am still in the transition from single Alpha body to double E bodies, with the issue that my 16-50/2.8 SSM and 70300G do not have any nice replacement... That's really a painful long wait.
Funny how people are getting crazier and crazier for fast lenses as time goes by.
F2.8 for a 20mm is quite bright already. Moreover with the good high Iso's we can find in today's cameras I am wondering why anyone would need a faster wide lens ?
It's not like you are looking for bokeh when you put a 20mm lens on your body.
I'm amazed that for most people a picture is good only when there is creamy cheesy bokeh everywhere. This must come from the fact that it looks "pro" to beginners.
Juck: I'm dying to see what this thing can do with my EF 50mm 1.4 & 85mm F1.2. The possibilities certainly make me look at my lens collection a bit differently. ,,, even my ancient 70-210 f/4 and 28-70 F3.5-4.5 might see the light of day again.
I agree the price is a bit of a sting, but I'm nerdy enough to give it a whirl if the early reviews and example photos are good.
So basically, the lenses supported are newer lenses with NO focusing scale on it. Is that right ?
forpetessake: In the final analysis what it means is that APS-C and m4/3 lens manufacturers have no excuse creating lenses same size as FF but faster proportionally to the crop size. If the typical f/3.5-5.6 zooms were ok on FF, the APS-C typical zooms should be f/2.3-3.7 and m4/3 should be f/1.7-2.8 to collect the same light on smaller surface. Why do Olympus/Panasonic/Sony produce those terribly slow APS-C/m43 lenses instead?
Noirdesir what you say is a non sense for a simple reason.If there is one lens for Leica which is 0,95 it simply because it is a really specialized lens which is damn expensive to produce to get good result wide open.
The fact there are three for mirroless just show that the marketing understood than most of mirrorless users would break the bank for one those because there are the kind of users who still believe the brightest the lens, the best the high iso, the best the picture. That is so wrong :)
Moreover these bright optics for Mirrorless are quite low performers overall.
wakaba: A.) take a camera that can hardly resolve 1200lpm-slow AF-no viewfinder-supersmall sensor-heavy incameraprocessing-hardly enough battery power to run a "big" AF-lensB.) stick an adapterring on -that has additional glass in it- lots of electric leads-is generic to lensesC.) stick an expensive lens on-that can resolve 2000lpm-is hardly compatible with the ring
...and get what exactly? Better pictures? DoA.
Is the more modern the better ? I don't think so.
MrPetkus: Tantalizing cam. As a consumer, it's frustrating that Fuji's 3 APS-C offerings are in such different evolutionary states. I like the XPro1 but the recent XE1 has a better EVF spec. Now the X100 comes out with on-chip phase detection and both focus peaking and split focussing...
I, for one, will certainly not purchase either the XPro1 and XE1 knowing that these important (to me) features are in the pipeline. Fuji's outstanding trio is out of sync.
You didn't know MrPektus that 'Frustration' is the key to a good marketing strategy ?See how all those happy Fuji X100 owners are about to break the bank again, some months only after the X100 (if they didn't already did it for the X-Pro 1 or X-E1) because Fuji adressed their frustrations with the X100S.
Don't worry thought...there will remain some frustrations to be adressed in the next next camera update ;) to be willing to switch to X-Pro3 and X-E3