papa natas: I don't understand the mud slinging here on account of the Leica's very expensive lenses' distortion, plus the long explicative text about it on BobYIL 's text on a different link.Why to prove & test it with brick walls?Who, in his right mind, will buy such a pricey camera to shoot walls?The results will show two hard headed guys: one arguing that his Panasonic is the real bargain, and the other one trying to convince the World that those bricks on that wall are crooked.Hasn't anybody get it?:LEICAS ARE NOT TO SHOOT PICTURES.THEY ARE TO BE SHOWN, SAME AS WE DO WITH SHOW DOGS.THEY ARE NOT BRED TO KEEP YOUR HOUSEHOLD SAFE.
I didnt know I would lose my status of (amateur) photographer at the right moment I put my hands on my first Leica after a long savings period (sorry I am not yet a millionaire like all Leica owners; obviously). My bad. I thought I was just enjoying shooting with a well made camera, to me a perfect mix of modern enough digital technology coupled with the appeal of using your camera like in the old days (manually), but I was just a fool. In fact after some Dpreview psycho therapy I realized I was just in the seek of a status symbole and I was just hyponotised by the red dot sect. Thats right. Damn...I don't know if I will be able to look at my pictures ever again or worse...be able to sleep tonight. But the real question is: will my Leica improve my photography? Because it is so important that my photographs, seen by nobody except me and my friends, are up the mighty mighty highest standards one could expect one this planet. Just as only a pro pilot should be allowed to buy a benz or a bmw...obviously.
Yes these lenses are corrected like all manufacturers do (thats called a lens profile), but it doesnt lower the other quality of their lenses: edge to edge sharpness and micro contrast from wide angle to maximum zoom. Since barrel distortion is very well software corrected these days then why bother. I dont know if they lied or not (where are evidences?) But if I agree these lenses are nowhere near the performance of Leica M lenses, they do not seem to be any slouch either. When I hear people saying its just a basic kit lens it just bugs me. This lens have nothing in comon, performance wise, with a standard cheap kit lens. Its focal length should not fool you. Then if price bugs you, well its certainly overpriced for what it is but Leica always was. To conclude this camera looks very nice and the new T mont seems able to take on a full frame sensor whic is good for future possible development. I am tempted by the body itself as a backup or easy go camera but to put M lenses and not T ones.
BeaverTerror: To get off the "Lie-ca" lens controversy: it is amusing that people have spent the last three years criticizing mirrorless cameras for adopting touchscreen interfaces at the expense of reduced physical buttons. Now that Leica has announced a camera with basically no physical controls, the same people who said "touch screens are not for real cameras" are now lapping up the "elegant touch interface and body design" like it's the newest cool-aid. It truly goes to show that some if the opinionated individuals on these forums have no idea what they want in a camera and have been spewing out if their back sides all along.
Certainly Leica is currently the only camera maker that successfully integrated a touch screen technology that is actually ergonomically working in all aspects. At least it is what all previews are saying so far, including Dpreview which is now praised by all Leica haters for saying the holy "truth" about Leica.
HawaiiVolcanoes: Leica sells cameras to collectors....NOT Photographers.
thank you very much
The fact that you don't need a Leica to take that kind of photographs does not make you less a photographer. Very stupid comment, as well as HawaiiVolcanoes saying.
And now people complain about Leica price.
Amazing optics and built quality = expensive.
Seems people are too used to "Made in China" pricing these days, so they don't really have a clue of the real value of things.
That means: paying your skilled employee well, have a lot of social advantages because our society is developed, long and paid holidays, decent working hours, rights, will make your products very good but expensive.
In an other hand, of course you can like in China make your products built by almost unpaid ants, with no social advantages, no holidays, mediocre working condition, mediocre life.
It will much cheaper to make...so usual buyers will be much happier too and they won't complain at anything until they lose their own job because they cannot produce as cheap as those ants so their own company has to move in Asia in order to satisfy their "always cheaper customer's philosophy".
I am into the M system, and I am proud to buy "Made in Europe" because it means something.
JEROME NOLAS: "If you want, you can take photos without a smartphone (as the cameras have physical controls) and transfer the photos later." How do you compose/view images without smartphone?Thank you.
A HotShoe where you can put an EVF. THen you basically have a standard camera. xD
What are they smoking ?
HOLY CRAP !!!!! I sell mine right away on ebay cuz Sigma's are noobs !!!!!Just kidding but this could have been a true reaction few months ago.
So...he was a gear head...like all of us, seeking for the brightest lens. LoL
starwolfy: This lens sounds quite promising but "Nocticron" ?That is name is...marketing $!/"@%* lol.
In Leica territory a Noctilux is "currently" F0.95A summilux is F1.4A Summicron is F2
So this lens is a mix of F0.95 and F2 all together (Since the use of "Lux" is impossible due to Nocti"Lux") ? lol A F1.2 lens. Hmmm No ! A Nocticron of course ! xD
I'm not criticizing the lens...but just the name employed.
HowaboutRAW>I know the first Noctilux was a F1.2 that is why I wrote "current Noctilux" are F0.95.
I'm not talking about F stop or lens quality here, but about the meaning behind the denomination of this lens which is, as Leica do, based on its F Stop.
I've read somewhere that Leica, when they cooperate with Panasonic, don't design these lenses and don't build them. They just "validate" the optical design and share their Name.That is why the fact Panny is mixing "Noctilux and Summicron" to define this lens is a bit hilarious to me. Despite it may make sense to some, that is pure Leica-Like Marketing.
Again...I am not criticizing this lens. But its name.
This lens sounds quite promising but "Nocticron" ?That is name is...marketing $!/"@%* lol.
A brilliant 2013 camera well fit in our "modern" society.The best tool for lazy people who don't care, nor have time to spend learning photography. Thank you OMG for this automatic drunken party masterpiece pictures makers. Thanks to its 28K auto crappy trough-all-in pictures capability I guess we will be able to contribute easier to Facebook, Twitter, Flickr or whatever to make sure the world keep a piece of our absolutely essential footprint on the web.Since the world has never had so much active "photographers" thanks to the web I guess we could all say that the best camera in the world is the camera that is with you that's for sure. I can't wait to see all trendy "photojournalist" launching this new trade by advertising their amazing auto-skills while on duty on field work. lol !Since in our day anyone with a camera can pretend being a photographer, I guess my dog will be happy to join DPR soon enough with this around its neck.OMG !!! (not the company name)
Sean65: Note how, in spite of all our advancements in photography, the photos from 1935 are so much better. The framing, depth and clarity are all way more engaging.
I guess in this time being educated in art was more important than in our days.
My wife bought it with the kit zoom and the 40mm pancake.It's an excellent camera. Very simple to use, superb touch screen. There is lack of buttons so sometimes you have to find your way into the menu but hey it's an entry level camera isn't it ?The weight is sooooo light you can carry it everywhere. Lenses are ultra silent, focus fast and have great IQ.I was damn impressed really...it's a very good product by Canon !
Ok...but the most important question remains unanswered: How many Isos ?
Eric KIM on DPreview ? Now it's 100% sure that in today's society one just need to be good at social media and blogging to become famous...
v_lestat: Samsung Samsung SamsungOh dear lord you people crying Samsung have no idea what on earth you are doing.If Samsung made a good camera at any price it would be on a list some where of must have cameras.But it's not.Not hereNot thereNot anywhereI own a lot of Samsung gear (phones tv's and more) but I would NEVER buy a Samsung camera because they are garbage and are destroyed by nearly everything on the market in its vertical.There are even p-n-s cameras better than the NX cameras.
Wow you kids should really use a GOOD camera before call dp review the names you have and imply the childish things you have.
So is DXo mark worthless too?
Show me one Samsung camera on their site anywhere near the caliber of these cameras.
I remember not so long a ago many people were saying: I'll never buy a Toyota because they are garbage cars. Now guess what is the number 1 brand in the world ?That comment about Samsung cameras is kind of idiotic. Samsung camera, despite being the "best at something" are very nice overall cameras at a decent price.
micahmedia: What a garbage "me too" product. Why remove one of the most desirable features of the Fuji mirror-less cams. I hope this model tanks as a lesson to the entire industry, which causes everyone else to jump on the integrated EVF bandwagon.
...but that ain't likely to happen. Because most people haven't had the experience of using an eye level finder to know how awesome it is.
That is always what I think when someone try to tell me I was a fool buying a real Leica rangefinder. Most people havent'had the experience of using anything else than an electronical viewfinder and focus peaking, so they don't know how a awesome a real rangefinder is.
Troll ON. I would rather buy a Samsung NX300 with a 30mm F2 pancake.