rinkos: as usual Sony left the traditional guys with something something in their hands hanging :(what about the A580 ?!!!!! what about it?!!
Well I don't expect Sony to update my a900 because its discontinued. But It would be nice if they would ;-)
davids8560: Night has fallen again. It's been 16 hours since I upgraded my NEX-7's firmware. I'm holed up in a cheap motel near the border. The door is barricaded. The shades are drawn. All the lights are off. The room is illuminated only by the fluckering of the tv set. I've been chain smoking and drinking all day. On the table before me is a fifth of gin, my Glock, my NEX-7, and a laptop. The phone rang for awhile a little earlier. I didn't pick it up. I was afraid it was somebody from the press - or worse. I haven't been able to sleep at all. Can't really say why. The upgrade went smoothly. But something still doesn't feel right. People want to know what I think. To me, at face value, it seems kind of incidental. Somebody said NEX-7 owners are rejoicing today. But I don't know about that. I just don't know.
You should write a novel ;-)
Paul Farace: Why do we call this tiny sensor a 1-inch sensor when it's not! One inch is 24.7 (something) millimeters... this is much smaller... call it APS-T (tiny)...I really don't like the effects of the tiny sensors and I welcome the further development of a class of 4/3 sensors and APS-C sensor-based compacts with good zooms 24-28 to 90-100 with 2.8 apertures or better... or interchangeable lenses and OPTICAL VIEWFINDERS, even if its just a slide-on accessory like the ones I use on my 35mm rangefinders! We're getting closer and closer, but still too many turns onto dead end streets IMHO.
1" is exactly 25,4mm. And why it is so can be read here:
Kind regards D
Barry Fitzgerald: Disruptive technology = Ignoring usersD600= A99 killer, guess who will sell more?
Sony are way off base, lost the plot years ago and are too bone headed to admit SLT has failed big time
Well the OVF certainly works for me with my Sony a900. And for many pros. I think the a99 are a great camera but I need more MP and will wait for a future Sony solution to this whish and my wallet to grow.
Fraxinus excelsior: The sample images are a joke. look at the f stop chosen for landscape. any proper photographer would choose f11. the images are shaky and maybe also misfocussed. shame on dpreview for posting lousy images like this. they are of no use because of the photographers non existent skills.
Well I frequently use f/13 on my Sony a900 FF 24,6 MP camera and the photos comes out sharper than at f/5,6 ;-)
At least f/8 should be used for landscape.
The sample images are a joke. look at the f stop chosen for landscape. any proper photographer would choose f11. the images are shaky and maybe also misfocussed. shame on dpreview for posting lousy images like this. they are of no use because of the photographers non existent skills.
If I were Dpreview I would be ashamed of the photos and the technique or lack of behind the photos. This is simply unserious dpreview. You have to move your legs from behind the desk and get some photographic experience out in the real live.
Deleted pending purge: 114 entries were sent in to this Challenge.
During and after submiitting phase:12 complaints were issued10 entries were withdrawn (to replace with rule-conforming versions)60 entries were disqualified (for not observing the rules)6 comments had to be deleted (for being placed prior to Exhibit phase)54 finally remained to be voted upon.
This is by no means unique. To my sorrow, almost every Challenge shows similar statistic.
There is the Rules Warning in the Introduction. There are the Challenge rules. And there is an additional visual warning posted as a Sample Entry.
I wonder, what more does it take to make the Entrants read and follow the frame of a Challenge? Aren't photographers supposed to be more observant and careful?
PLEASE do remember to observe the Rules in ALL CHALLENGES!
Funny how my Exif data dissapired after uploading the image. Thank you DPR. But anyway why do anyone want the exif?
Well I certainly wonder why my photo have been deleted. Maybe there are to many rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
waiting for an explanation.
neo_nights: "So this Photokina is very important for us, with three new lenses and a new camera body, people will see 'OK, Leica is really pushing and investing in this segment' and this will help us to increase their confidence."Did you listen, Sony? Three lenses and one body. Not the other way around!!
And forgot that if we talk mirrorless Sony started before Nikon, and Canon and therefore naturally have more camerahouses. 4 to be precise.
Why would photographers take Sony more serious if they only had i.e. One camerahousing. That makes no sense. Nikon have 7 different camerahouses, Canon has 7, and Sony has 5. So maybe because I made it clear that Sony has less camerahouses than the two big competitors they are now been taken more serious ;-)
But Sony has just made a very serious RX100, RX1 FF, and the a99. And dont forget the 500f4 and the updated 300f2,8.
ZeevK: Thanks for the great, detailed and informative review.
As a RAW only shooter I am now quite sure which APS-C SONY backup I will go for, if I drop the A99 option, for the too high cost of upgrading from my A850. Looks like the A850 is to stay for the near future.
Now I gust have to decide which "kit" zoom to adopt to the A57 - Sony 16-50mm f/2.8 DT SSM or DT 18-135 F3.5-5.6 SAM
You could sell your a850. I am sure you can get a lot of money for it.I am thinking about selling my a900 and will maybe buy an a99.
The EVF in the Fuji camera is a new model with 1:5000 contrast. The viewfinder in NEX 7 and alpha77 is 1:3500 in contrast. The new NEX6 and a99 FF cameras will have the new EVF with 1:5000 contrast.
iBuzz: Another poor review by DPR about a great entry level camera from Nikon.Message to Nikon : remove the mirror box from the D3200 and PDAF, keep the poor lens kit and the slow CDAF, add some Instagram filters, double the price and name it NEX-7. Maybe DPreview will give you a good score! ;-)
The Nex is a totally other and more serious camera. You have clearly not hold the NEX in your hands.
EmmanuelStarchild: It's clear to me Canon leads ALL camera/lense manufacturers. What other manufacturer could possibly ellicit so many hateful/jealous comments from Nikon/Pentax/Sony camera users who wish they'd bought a Canon instead?
Right now it seems to me that Sony is leading the industry with better sensors and more innovative cameras. Remember that NEX was here some years ago. Before Canon even thought about an EOS-M. So lets instead say that Canon is behind the others.
Brian Slater: The only feature that is really missing from this camera is built-in anger/whine control. Judging by many comments here, that feature is sorely needed.
Other than that, the EOS-M seems to be a well-designed entry that will sell well to P&S upgraders, and current Canon lens owners who will be happy to have a smaller, lighter, cheaper second camera. Canon has achieved this by simply removing unnecessary features from the 650 that play to the strengths of the mirrorless format: portability, simplicity, and reduced cost.
Sooner or later, Canon will release an upgrade to the prosumer DSLR range (70D and/or 7D II) that will include an improved APS-C sensor (perhaps with some more MP, better DR, better noise control etc.). Following that they can reuse the same components in a second M series camera and sweeten the pot with EVF, articulated screen, and some anti-aggravation physical dials. Oh, and extra profit. They will take significant market share then too.
This camera is way behind Sony NEX. The lens adapter is a joke compared to Sonys with PDAF. So a EF-S lens on EOS-M will be unbearable slow compared to a Sony a-mount lens on a Sony NEX. No viewfinder is a big mistake. And the Sony 16 MP sensor is in a different league than the 18 MP Canon sensor.
Bad Dongz: Hard Core Pro would prefer these cameras for advertising. I would if I was a customer.
It seems identical to Phaseone IQO180.
Thats because the Danish company PhaseOne owns Mamiya and Leaf.
tkpenalty: no SLT is good. It means less degradation of IQ. Seems sony is now trying to become a serious player.
I wonder if they'll chuck a canon and ruthlessly replace canons with sonys at events like F1...?
SLT is good ;-) and thats comming from an A900 user.
(unknown member): Wow, those samples are stunning. The Nikon 1 and M4/3 systems have serious competition. In my case, there is no competition. This is EXACTLY the camera I've been waiting two years for.
In case you havent noticed. The camera has a lens that wont come of! Its boring and no alternative for a wastly more flexible 4/3 or Sony NEX system camera. Further those cameras are in a fact smaller by a large margin than this new boring Canon. The Nikon i regard in the same category as the canon: toy cameras!
ianz28: Looking at the release info and the video.....this is Canon telling Nikon and all imposters to "f-off! - you guys aren't gettng close to our video capabilities!"
And seriously speaking as a Nikon shooter. Nikon jumped into the video game but didn't really have much of a ground to stand on. Camera's like this are really changing the dynamics of "low" end projects and will quickly eliminate DSLR video options unless DSLR video capabilities quickly change to provide acceptable output.
Canon dosen't even come close to Sony Pro video!