I'd love to know what conceivable drawback bsi could ever have. Oh, I suppose you could claim another surface (the sustrate) in front of the photosites, but that isn't necessarily a major problem. I'm surprised at Sony's 40% claim, because I doubt bsi alone would give that much improvement on a sensor this large, though it is rather packed with photosites. They likely made some other improvements, too. In any case, this looks like a killer camera that addressed most concerns about the original. Oh, a wider, faster lens would have been nice, but this will do.
Impulses: Oh man, I had already been planning on getting one by the end of this year... It'll be my first MFT lens. Hopefully they don't jack the price up (specially if there's no improvements on AF speed or propensity to focus hunt), otherwise I guess I'll be on the lookout for good deals on the old model.
I'd say it's perfect timing. You might get a slight price reduction on the old lens. It's a classic either way.
Gully Foyle: Fuji has a winner here. Though I kinda not like the looks of the plastics. I'm sure the build quality is excellent but the looks don't show it. Especially the lens. But that's subject to change, until I get one in my hands to get the full picture.
A nice (and inexpensive) touch, the gentle sloping of the upper plate is very much like the Hermes Leica M9-P!
Yes, the plastic is very shiny, as it also is on the X20. It feels indestructible, but also slick and not very nice. I don't know why Fuji can't come up with a nicer finish that would look more like real leather or leatherette. At this premium price they have no excuse. Or just make it out of metal like most competitors at this price point.
peevee1: "This makes for a pretty mouth-watering package that looks very close to the Olympus PEN E-P5 at a distinctly lower price point"
True, but E-P5 is still a better camera:1) The elephant in the room is, of course, 5-axis stabilization2) Touch screen3) Better controls (with 1-2 switch)4) Faster shooting speed (9 fps vs 5)5) Faster shutter speed - 1/8000s6) More powerful flash, and with flash sync 1/320s vs 1/180s7) Accessory port for EVFs and other stuff8) More compact lenses9) Electronic levelsetc.
Not sure it would justify extra $300 for many people though. :) Oly definitely needs to shed $200 or so before becoming reasonable with competition like that.
Also better build quality. The Fuji is mostly plastic, and not very nice plastic, at that. This looks like a nice enough camera, but the price is too high for the features.
stealthhacker: fuji may be good at retro design, but their lens&accesseries are quite expensive. and the body is bulkier than its competitors.
Oh, and I looked it up. The NEX-5R is noticeably smaller at 4.37"x2.32"x1.54". And the 3N is even smaller, at 4.33"x2.44"x1.38", mostly because it has a small grip. Both are much smaller than the Fuji. Which is pretty average.
Sure there are. The Sony NEX-3N is smaller than this, with a much more compact kit lens. The NEX-5R is of similar size, thinner through the body, but with a bigger grip (a good thing). This is a typically compact mirrorless model. They are limited by the need for a rear screen, controls, and a grip as much as anything. Those plus a lens mount and you have a modern camera.
limlh: At last, a company has produced a tiltable LCD only camera without making it look like a cheap P&S and without astronomical pricing. Good job.
There's something wrong with the comparable E-PL5? Similar retro styling, tilting screen, similar build quality. I do like the two Fuji control dials, an overdue feature (no, I don't consider rings around the button pad equivalent).
cgarrard: Decent price, bet that grip isn't comfortable though... needs to be deeper into the body a bit (wider) by about 1/2" from the looks of it- however, I'd need to hold it for a 100% sure opinion. No viewfinder/option I presume, that's fine since they have the X-E1 but would have been neat to see Fuji put a viewfinder on this one then every camera in the line up would have one.
Btw, that brown and silver one is SERIOUSLY sexy looking. Wow.
The brown one will only look good if Fuji gives it a different finish. The plastic Fuji has been using seems tough, but it is hard and glossy. A softer, less shiny finish would be much more pleasant to touch and look at.
MrTaikitso: Not to troll, as know how lovely the Fujis are, but spec wise, this is still not as good as my similarly priced Sony NEX 5R + 16-50mm Power Zoom kit, that offers an identical lens to the Fuji zoom, plus 50fps video (important), touch screen that can be flipped forward, faster high speed still shooting (10fps), and correct me if I am wrong, but a larger sensor amongst other things.
The very reason I would move to Fuji was their twin tactile exposure controls, but here, they have removed them, bringing back the same usability issues that effect the mid to low end NEX cameras with their somewhat fiddly on screen menu system. (I only keep my NEX because the IQ and shot to shot speed is superb. As is the articulating display.)
This may not have the traditional controls, but it has two control dials that can likely be set up to control the same functions. That rear dial looks weird to me. I can't imagine using it. I guess I'll have to wait until I see one.
Jefftan: Anyone know why pair with 16-50mm instead of 18-55mm kit lensIs the 16-50mm worse than 18-55mm?
It's a very handy zoom range. Starting out wider (fov equiv. to ff 24mm instead of 28mm) makes it more attractive for many uses, especially shooting indoors in small rooms and landscapes. The minor loss of length in insignificant. A lens like this has all the width many people need. I'm sure it's optically superior to the Sony 16-50mm, but it's about twice as big. The Sony power zoom is also attractive for video. I like this lens, but do wish they had gotten the size down a bit.
scrup: I would say one of those shock proof, water resistant cameras will be good to start with. it won't break in the first week
Depends on how young the kid is, but not every kid is careless with his possessions. I got my first camera when I was about eight and was very careful with it. By that age many kids understand the idea that things break if abused.
mandophoto: How is the 3G/4G connection accessed? Is this another revenue stream for Verizon, ATT, et al.?
Yes, of course. Got to have a data plan from somebody. Or don't use that and rely on WiFi. That's very realistic these days. My tablet is WiFi only and I never feel I'm missing a thing. If your phone can act as a hot spot, you may be able to just use that, though 4G would be faster in a city with good service. Many of my friends use it exclusively now, even at home. They all work for Google and can afford it.
Sergey Borachev: Not a big camera at all considering its APS-C sensor.
Silly for Samsung not to put a few more buttons and dials on the top of the camera though. Look at the waste of the space there, compared to the other two cameras in this diagram.
Exactly what I was thinking. They seem to have wanted it simple, but it would have been better with a second dial on the front, as well as an exposure comp. dial and another couple of function buttons. There may not be much room on the back, but the top and front look barren.
Kuturgan: With Android platform the Galaxy NX will constantly freeze up as my Samsung Galaxy smartphone does.
That's not a given. My Android devices rarely have problems. When they do it's typically a app that stops working abruptly, but it never freezes up.
gerard boulanger: How do you handle it to talk/listen? The idea of having to hold a camera and its lens on my ear is troubling to me.
It's not a phone. OK, if you use voip it can be one, but it doesn't have phone-style speaker and mic placement. You can always put in earbuds and the mic will pick up your voice if you talk anywhere nearby. And it will have small speakers built in that will be loud enough to hear without holding it anywhere near your head, if you don't have anything plugged into the headphone jack. I don't know whether they designed this to work with Bluetooth headsets or not. I hope so.
HowaboutRAW: Who cares, if like the other Samsung Wifi cameras, this one doesn't allow uploads of raws. The camera's wifi function is next to useless to those interested in high quality images.
Anybody know if this camera can upload raws over wifi?
The Samsung already had a good OS and menu system worked out for the NX cameras, so who wants this variation? What does it actually improve?
With other comments, this is real likely to slow down the menus, that's dumb.
Has Samsung fixed the buffering problems the NX20 had/has when shooting raw (the NX300 is just okay)?
In other news, when shooting raw the late 2012 firmware update for the NX100 gives that camera the high ISO performance of the NX20--that's free if you own an NX100.
Then of course, is there all sorts of crapware one has to suppress or possibly uninstall on this camera? Samsung has a bad habit of loading its perfectly good Android tablets with crapware.
No, it really isn't a different question. Anybody with any sense uses sleep mode constantly on an Android tablet. If I push the power button all it does is go to sleep unless I hold it down and tell it to turn off. I reboot mine about once a month, otherwise it gets a little flaky. In sleep mode the battery use is tiny and the tablet comes to life almost immediately. It's exactly how I want my camera to work. Unfortunately, my V1 takes longer to wake up than to turn on, so turning it off is essential. But that's bad design. Sleep mode is perfect for devices that get used intermittently, like cameras.
techmine: where is that guy who says Samsung copies everything?? :-)
No, or OS. Android has had some teething pains over the years, but recent versions are quite nice. No doubt it will continue to get better, and the cameras, too, but this looks like an OK first effort.
Gesture: Interesting development but I'll never understand why folks want to work by waving their fingers in front of their field of vision. For me, a computer mouse or dials/buttons will always be preferred for most things and much, much, much more powerful in manipulating information or a device. NX cameras: great. Connectivity: great. Not interested in this interface.
It would be better if they had left a few hard controls, but I suppose this has simplicity going for it. It's easier to write software for a consistent configuration. That's why Sony screwed up in leaving a touchscreen off the NEX-6. Who would want to write apps for that? Awkward. My ideal camera would have both a biggish touchscreen and a few straightforward buttons and dials. As long as you got the configuration right and kept it consistent it would be a nice platform for useful apps. But it has to stay consistent.
rusticus: good camera - unfortunately ugly - I do not buy
Ugly? Don't see it. A simple, utilitarian shape rendered in basic black. It will never go out of style. If you need retro fripperies this may be ugly, but the old cameras retro cameras emulate were designed to be functional. Just like this is.
onlooker: "what a smart camera!", "perfect camera for street photography", "one of the rare cameras which have been designed for the use of photographers", "Nice little APS-C camera for The Photographer. Not for everyone..."
What is this, an alternate reality, or has DPR Connect finally taken over? The damn thing has neither a viewfinder nor an articulating LCD, so I suppose "The Photographer" would be the one walking around with his hands extended in front of him, squinting at the screen. Have phone cameras really done so much damage?
Long before Connect, or the ubiquity of phones with cameras, millions of people were managing to take pictures using cameras without vfs. They didn't feel the need to hold them at arm's length, and most had displays smaller and dimmer than this one. Let's not exaggerate the difficulty of taking pictures with such cameras.