gl2k: Fence image (DSC_0127) shows that there is pretty much DOF. More than I would like to see. I credit this to the APS-C sensor and f2.8 aperture.Most of the sample images could be taken with any P&S as well. If this camera style is what I like I would rather buy a V1. Dirt cheap and gives me the same shooting experience.
Not comparable, really, except that Nikon makes both. The V1 sensor is smaller, and the camera is bigger, has a nice electronic viewfinder, and offers impressive speed. The A gives you a bigger sensor in a smaller body. I really do like my V1, and the low price I paid, but this clearly offers more potential image quality.
Chuck Lantz: I have a background in limited edition prints. Not photos, but graphics, and the legal principal is the same. If I do an edition of one image using one type of printmaking, for example a plate etching, I can then legally do an entirely new - and legal - edition using serigraphy, stone litho, or whatever, still using the same image.
As someone else has commented, I could even do another edition of the same image, but using different colors or paper, and again, it would legally be a separate and unique edition.
The key is in how each edition is described by the artist. So, "An edition of 100 plate-etching images on d'Arches cold-pressed paper" would be legally unique from "100 plate-etched images on DFK Rives paper" , even if the images were identical.
Buyers of expensive art are not idiots, usually. Even if they are, it's not the artist's responsibility to educate them on the details of the art world. It's no secret that there are often multiple editions of prints. If the artist makes misrepresentations, sue him. And maybe lose, if he didn't make specific promises not to reissue that image in another form.
afterswish1: I think the artist was just biting the hand that fed out of pure greed. In my opinion Sobel was right despite what the ruling said.
Fair enough, he should have got a contract. It's pretty clear that 'limited edition' implies more copies will not be made whenever the artist feels like it though.
Clear to you, but not in the art world, where multiple editions of some kinds of print are common. The world of 20th century prints is so messy many collectors will have nothing to do with it (partly because of all the fakes), but a real Chagall print can still be worth thousands, even though he authorized massive numbers and they are late, uninteresting examples of his work from long after his brief period of importance. They're valuable because some people will still pay good money for them, even though they're far less significant and no more attractive than this photograph. At least it makes me smile.
Binone: When you purchase a limited edition of any art - be it photograph or painting, unless it's the original, it will have a number: x of y, where "y" is the total number of prints, or lithographs, etc. that are going to be produced. The value of any one is very much dependent on how many are produced. I have to agree with the collector here. The artist, in effect, increased y and that results in a decrease in the value of any one of the copies.
My other issue is: Holy Crap!!! I'd have thrown that shot away. Like another poster wrote - where's my kid's old bike.. If I had exhibited that photo at a club where I have competed, at a minimum, I'd have been criticized for the little bit of a car that's on the right. I see a lot of photos that are truly remarkable works of art. But, $250k for this??? I must be getting old.
I'd be surprised if it is overturned. Artists have been making various editions of works of art forever. Collectors may have taken comfort in x/xx in pencil, but barring a detailed contract between artist and original purchaser, what does 'limited edition' mean? Not much. High-end dealers will henceforth require their artists to agree to detailed contracts limiting future reproduction. Collectors will know what they're buying and selling and all will be well. Yawn.
Cal22: No judge can decide whether new prints decrease the value of older ones. It's the market! Of course, the exorbitant high prices for photographs (and for so many other things, by the way) might be ridiculous. But these prices have nothing to do with photographic or artistic value. The higher the price the more significance is being put into the collector's item - and in the collector himself. It's the input of humans imagination.In the 70s and 80s, when I saw Egglestone's photographs (among them the kid's bike) I was interested but didn't attach great importance to them. My view hasn't changed since then. I wonder if photography regarded as art will be good or bad.
It may be judged rare and valuable (or only semi-rare) without being judged very good at all. People collect (and pay a lot of money for) much less pleasing objects than this. Or it may be judged a good example of a particular movement, a point in time in artistic taste. Very few people love stiff medieval depictions of saints, but they are still valued as representative of their time and its tastes. This photo is a good example of avant-garde taste, circa 1970.
PhotoKhan: Seeing things like this popping-up is a bit like reading that story about Phil Bronstein entering a Komodo dragon enclosure, taking his shoes off to reveal white rat look-alike white socks to an animal with a brain size slightly larger than a walnut and then being surprised to find himself with a bleeding foot trapped in the creature's mouth.
You forgot the interesting part, that the backstage zoo tour was a birthday treat from Bronstein's wife, Sharon Stone. That's exactly what I'd expect for my birthday present from Sharon Stone - a giant lizard eating half of my foot. Komodo dragons also have filthy mouths and their bites often cause nasty infections. Maybe we can send a Komodo dragon after the head of this photo printing service. He is adding so much to our culture.
soloryb: Without a hip belt for proper support with heavy loads this thing is not for prolonged equipment hauling. Also, the worst place you can attach a tripod to a pack is on the back, where it's far enough away from your center of gravity to pull you backwards.
Mike, thanks for giving us your take on how well it works in real life. I won't be buying one soon, but it's nice to know what's available.
windmillgolfer: This looks likes a strong and high capacity backpack but the price seems very high. I guess if you've invested $1,000s on kit then this would be appropriate for the 1% of your time you might have this lot with you. Meanwhile, I'll just keep the LX5, mini-tripod, 18mm LWA52 and EVF1 in my jacket pockets :-)
Cheap and common are bad? Are you a Leica owner? If not, I'm sure they'd love you as a customer.
Cheap means an item costs little. That is good. Common means there are many of them, suggesting they have attractive properties or meet the needs of many. All other things equal, I prefer cheap and common to expensive and uncommon.
Light Shaft looks terrible, super cheesy, but Motion Shot is a nice effect familiar from TV sports. I don't shoot action, but if I did, that would be a nice option.
MichelBB: What about the 80 percent of the world camera users who do not use ounces and inches ?
In theory and officially they're metric, but in practice many in the UK actually use a mix of old and new. People are still giving their weight in stones, and distances are not uncommonly measured in miles.
Valiant Thor: I was hoping for a nice small M43 Canon with the ability to use all the M43 Lumix and Olympus lenses, and with a new sensor. I have Nikon, Olympus, and Lumix and would love to get into a nice compact Canon body but what a boring release this is.
I was hoping for a Ferrari shopping cart (oh, wait, there probably is one.) Canon already has the barest beginnings of a mirrorless system and has no reason to abandon it (yet). I would have loved to have seen other camera makers buy into Micro 4/3, but they've all decided to go their own ways. Just as they did with dslrs in years past.
Cooperation is not natural for these very competitive companies. Even Olympus and Panasonic have done things differently enough in their MFT bodies and lenses to discourage mixing and matching. Canon would have been even less likely to stay within the standard.
Michael Barkowski: Heckle me all you want folks, I'm gonna say it anyway:
*Camera of the Year*
And yes, one of the biggest reasons is that it is a Canon.
No, that's silly. By the end of the year there will be plenty of other Canon models to choose from if they want to give it to Canon. Maybe even something other than a shrunken retread.
Cool shot. Doesn't matter that others could replicate the shot (though I doubt it's as easy as it looks) as much as his conception of the shot, and working that idea through to a cover-worthy shot. That's what makes him a high-level pro, that he can deliver, and on time. He had one opportunity to get the shot and delivered.
Steve: now i'm on the fence between this and the OMD.I am trying to cut down on weight and size from my D7000... the panny seems to be almost as big as the nikon, although it is 1/2 lighter than the nikon..i'm using a 18-200mm lens as well. i'm just wondering if this is a deal killer for me... although there are some nice pluses to the camera...i guess i will just have to wait until i get both in my hands at the same time ?
If you don't see the advantages of the GH3, you aren't who they were targeting. It's not very attractive to still photographers because it was designed for video primarily.
bobestremera: Video notwithstanding, how will the image quality compare to the G5? I'm getting a little interested coming from a 60D with large, heavy lenses and would love to downsize but not at the expense of IQ. My Holy Grail is 16X24 prints with great inherent sharpness. My Canon lenses give me that. I've always liked the Lumix but never trusted the smaller 4/3 sensors but I'm reading that the gap is closing.
APS-C lenses will always be bigger and heavier, as will bodies, typically. Larger sensors will continue to cost more, though the difference will likely narrow. The reasons for creating MFT are as valid today as they were a few years ago. Given that neither Panasonic nor Olynpus make any larger-sensored cameras, why would they abandon aan attractive product line? Sure, sales have been a bit slow, but that's poor marketing and limited access to retail channels. Best Buy can more easily sell Nikons and Canons and even Sonys because they have stronger brands with better name recognition, especially outside Asia. So you don't see many Micro 4/3 models outside camera shops, and camera shops have been dying off fast. Switching to some other sensor size isn't going to solve their problems and it would put them back to having no product to sell.
RyanMancuso: This is a video (footage) comparison of the 5D Mark III and the GH3
Hope you enjoy.
Given that the GH3 is mainly aimed at video shooters, I'd say its pertinent for many. For a still photographer, of course the FF DSLR will have better image quality.
NovicePhotoFella: I am in the process of choosing a new platform to go with and think this new GH3 might fit my lifestyle and shooting needs. I inquired to Panasonic about additional lenses which has left me a bit more confused. Panasonic emailed the transcript to me after the chat:----------------------------Transcript from Panasonic dated Jan 9, 2013 5:37:12 PMIn response to question: Digital Still Camera System: Welcome to Panasonic Chat. A transcript of this chat will be emailed to you once you disconnect. Agent Ashlee R. says: Hello. How may I assist you?Customer John says: hello, i'm hoping to find a local retailer that would carry the new Lumix GH3 near Des Moines, IA Agent Ashlee R. says: Please contact our Sales Department at 1-800-405-0652 or e-mail them at firstname.lastname@example.orgCustomer John says: also, which optional lenses are water resistant? Agent Ashlee R. says: unfortunately we do not have any
The X lenses are just premium lenses with special features, not necessarily weatherproofing. They didn't even have a weatherproofed body before the GH3, so it's unsurprising that they don't have many lenses. Those zooms are nice lenses, if kind of expensive. Better than the bulky, low quality Olympus 12-50mm (also weatherproof).
pedroboe100: I own GH2 , EP1 and 2 plus 12-35, 45, 25 lenses. But I also own Pentax K5 with a bunch of "limited"lenses. Call me a fanboy, but if I am about to upgrade bodies, look at the K5IIs results. Astounding and not that much bigger than a GH3! plus similar price and weather protection....
They couldn't be much more different. Yes, they're both weatherproofed, but that's about it. The Pentax is an exceptional APS-C still camera with very weak video features barely adequate for home movies. The GH3 is a Micro 4/3 camera aimed squarely at serious video shooters. It's a capable still camera, though its price will discourage most still photographers from considering it when there are cheaper, better still cameras available. Its impressive video features are aimed at pros and serious amateurs who won't find the price excessive. The Pentax is useless to that group at any price.
Panasonic hit an accidental home run with videographers with the GH2 (maybe more of a ground-rule double) . Now they're trying for a grand slam (and got a home run just over the fence with nobody on.)
tjbates: A bit off topic but.....I tried the GH3 in a local camera store. I compared the viewfinders with the GH2 and the GH2 for me won hands down. The GH3 viewfinder seemed a little smaller, darker and slightly soft. Many have commented on the GH3 viewfinder being soft but I was pretty shocked to see how small the viewfinder image appeared especially in 4:3. It was like looking down a tunnel in comparison. Of course it's a personal choice, but for me I'm hanging on to my GH2.
Brightness is not one of the strengths of OLED viewfinders. They are contrasty, which makes them look brighter. Still, I bet the brightness just wasn't set as high as it might have been.
The size is a measurable attribute. You should be able to look that up and see which is bigger. I just briefly handled a GH3 and the vf size looked OK to me. Nowhere near as big as the best dslrs, but comparable to many mirrorless models. Some, like the Sony oled used in the NEX-6 just don't work for me because I wear glasses. The eye point is poorly designed for a glasses wearer so I can't see the whole vf without jamming my glasses into my face. My Nikon V1 evf is a little smaller, but it is just right for me as I can just see the whole screen.
SeeRoy: It's ENORMOUS! Why the hell would you buy an M4/3 camera when it's as big as an APS-C DSLR? I have an OMD and for this reason alone the GH5 is no competitor (no IBIS either...)
It's mostly for video use where it will usually be mounted on a tripod and size and weight don't matter much. Using a larger sensor would have increased the price and, more important, Panasonic only has lenses in this format. It's a very nice set of lenses, too.
A budget videographer could do some very solid work on this camera and save a lot of cash. And not have as much weight to carry around as with a dslr, with the lighter lenses available. I wish they had kept the size a little closer to tge GH2, as it would have made it a more attractive still camera, but it's clear they were trying to meet the needs of current GH2 users. They were probably requesting more and better control points.