FTW: Nothing against the concept, but in a period where a TV screen and camera manufacturer builds a camera as big as 2 matchboxes with a 20 mpix 1 inch sensor in it and that makes pictures as nice as a dslr, Pentax finds the way to make a box as big as 8 matchboxes with a ridiculous mini sensor in it. Probably it targets the buyers who have to make a huge present to some people they really don't like. Who really wants such a camera while some huge tools like the RX100 and real good mirrorless concepts exist.
I see no real progression at Pentax since a 2 years now, just dusting old hats, or making real expensive gadgets like the Q. I like the concept of the Q, I just await Sony to do something similar that with a correct sensor, an RX100 with interchangeable lenses. Pentax will probably never do it, this new dslr like camera does not points in that direction.
I can't believe the trash which comes out in such announcements. It's a bridge camera, which is a replacement for the x90. Most bridge cameras use the same size or similar size sensor.Go have a look at all the other line ups from Canikon, Fuji, panny etc. They all have similar spec units for sale because those who dont want interchangeable lenses and great zoom.Look at the price point ! It's plugging a gap in the present line up and well liked by people who don't want to shoot with phones cos they get a lot more photo control.Never seen such dribble from supposedly knowledgeable people in all my life. If you want a compact matchbox sized WiFi compatable cappuccino making, cam that will beam you up to the starship enterprise, go find one, buy it and forget about stupid comments about a total different market n strategy by Pentax most likely designed to increase market share.
Another good and fair review. If you go into the various categories you find that its no class leader. There's a lot of catch up with other brands like pancake lenses, HDR, photo stacking and "not quite up to its peers" in some areas. I like the feel and constant evolution of the Canon's and one can only assume that its the sum total of all the parts that makes it what it is, with a nice touch screen (which wont help photo image quality).Theres no going away from the fact that they have a huge marketing campaign and build solid performers that tend to be treated as the benchmark........but still like to see the K30 review please Dpr !!
Smart article Dpreview, great info and good to see some other peoples comments here. A worthwhile entry.
zigwi: hmm i like multiple exposure... but i think it isn't new things.I already shoot something like this with prosumer camera several years ago.you can see my shoot in
My camera is Casio
Did you bother to look at his photo? I counted at least 15 movements of a baseballer at the moment of pitching.Thats impressive from years ago.
I appreciate this a tweaked version and maybe a step up from whats been used before, but if the others were really serious about this function, i'm sure it would have been developed further themselves.
1. The gymnastics shots are not quality,2. Its just a take on some old technology, and3. It comes across as a marketing excercise for Canon.
Zigwi's photo is very impressive indeed. Yes its an old camera from way back, so the IQ wont be anywhere near a 1Dx, but it shouldnt be at that price.
What everyone is saying here is......who cares !! It was done in the film days, several brands have had a version of it for years and now Canon get heralded as some techno genuises. I dont have any problem with Canon, but its like them coming out with a Rueters shot in cam HDR in 5 years time and saying ...LOOK!! WOW!!
Blackfjord: Boring. A special effect that's not that special. Canon, you try to impress with this? Just make a solid camera with a huge viewfinder, dead on focus accuracy and speed, and a supremely comfortable body, and IQ bordering on medium format. You're charging plenty for this already. Just do it or get out of the business. Geez.
Wow, Juck again, this time you copied and pasted someone elses reply...........and using terms like Bitchslapppp and baz-ing. Are you sure your in the right forum? Try www.gofindsomethingintelligenttodo.com
Just had a look at the Dpreview announcement.....they obviously didnt fully review it. The 60fps is insane and so is the constant buffering. I guess that was possible with smaller files. The sensor wont compete with modern ones, I had a fuji s7000 about the same time. We dont see much of casio downunder apart from some small point and shoot cameras.That baseball multi exposure is a fabulous example....dont get rid of the camera even if you get a new one, you may regret it.
Hey, great shot...............thats a classic use of multi exposure !Yes, this cracks me up, how old was the camera? Was it a casio that you used ? Maybe you should have gone to the Olympics too.I guess we know that its been around for years and its a surprise to see the function in a pro level camera, but that really does make a mockery of the headline article then.
robbo d: Um.....read all the previous posts. So many brands have been doing this for years, Pentax, Nikon, Olympus etc.Maybe Canon have tweaked it, but my Pentax Kx can put 9 shots together, (possibly not in a single burst) and thats an entry level DSLR designed, what three years ago ?? This is a case of Canon just catching up with the rest. I am not a Canon basher, but a major article on what is effectively some old but tweaked technology seems to get people all excited and effectively some free advertising......probably some smart phone app can do it too.I do like something different though and a good subject matter to work with.The photographer and Canon will get the kudos now......bit of a chuckle !!
Nishi, not sure what angle your coming from here in adding to this thread ?? But I think video in DSLR's has given many a photographer the choice of doing both stills and video.Weddings are a classic. My son often asks me to video him skateboarding, then I can switch to stills for my preferred action shots. Its actually become a definitive market and Canon and Sony are market leaders in this area.Canon are market leaders and video is an area they excel in, but it would seem that in the APSC cams, the leading video is not the leading stills....unsure if there is a correlation here and a compromise ?? My original comments here were about seeing Canon being vaunted as showcasing new technology, when its dubious as to wether its new or a catch up with a twist ???
Yes I shall clarify and agree that Canon have done a lot of the basic ground work very well and their pro gear , L lenses, video capability and others you mention.Its now an interesting market because all this, shall I say 'additiona'l tech like the smart phones, HDR, Sony's multi shot layering etc is starting to push the traditional makers.I do think Canons recent lower and mid level DSLR's arent exactly leading tech, but I think thats a well thought out plan. The others have to come up with stuff to compete with that big Canon name.My 'chuckle' with the article was the heading and reading would and obviously does give many the impression that Canon have developed this technology and its only availbale with them and on the pro level cams.Dpr are a major site that has a lot of influence, any heading is going to get attention and not always be understood. Cannot ask them to 2nd guess everything they put up. But if it gets hits and views, they got to love it.
Vitruvius: I do not own any high end camera so I am actually surprised that this has not been available till now. I remember using this on my EOS 600 film camera in 1988. I was not able to print the 9 pictures seperately after using the ME funcion :-) Still, I don't see why you wouldn't just do this in PS later with more control. I can't imagine doing this on the little screen on the back of a camera. Obviously the camera has the processing power so why not add the feature for those that want it I guess.
I wonder, if the camera was tripod mounted, and if so, why is the text on the horse blurred? Image Stabilizer shift between frames? Would this be better without IS on?
Vitruvius, I read the article which stated they only received the cameras just before the Olympics and had not time to fully investigate the feature.It did not mention wether tripod was used, but you would bet he has held it firm as possible somehow. Lots of those guys carry mono pods to hold those big lenses. I suspect a tripod and remote would bring about a slightly better result. As an in cam special effects shot, he probably got it to their website or a newspaperASAP and they dont have time to do lots of PP. Its like in cam HDR.....good for people who just want to push the button and let the cam do it, but newer technology stuff takes a few more goes to develop properly and often PP is the way to go.As many people are saying, other brands have had the beginnings of this tech in their digi cams for the last few years.
Wow Juck, you just made yourself sound really mature................
Yes, I did read what R Butler says............hence my reference to all previous posts, I didnt ignore that one on purpose.Its all about marketing and Canon have put the effort into supplying pro gear for years and now its paid off. Most newbies look for a new camera and think Canon......good for sales and they have done their job right. They arent always going to be the best camera for the job or person.This little article is a psuedo advert and as I stated, now Canon and the photographer are getting the kudos....good on them, but as I commented, "a bit of a chuckle".....its a statement of understanding.....if your a Canon fan dont get offended, but they arent leaders in technology, just leaders in marketing, sales and supplying good quality pro gear, because hardly anyone else wants to join an already small market and split the already small profit margins.Give me a Canon and i'll take photo's, had quite a few of them, they just didnt suit my purpose right now.
Um.....read all the previous posts. So many brands have been doing this for years, Pentax, Nikon, Olympus etc.Maybe Canon have tweaked it, but my Pentax Kx can put 9 shots together, (possibly not in a single burst) and thats an entry level DSLR designed, what three years ago ?? This is a case of Canon just catching up with the rest. I am not a Canon basher, but a major article on what is effectively some old but tweaked technology seems to get people all excited and effectively some free advertising......probably some smart phone app can do it too.I do like something different though and a good subject matter to work with.The photographer and Canon will get the kudos now......bit of a chuckle !!
Impressive, as i thought. the highlight clipping was a little disappointing and the HDR feature on my HTC has just arrived with an upgrade. So i'm sure thats no real hassle for a Nokia firmware upgrade.
With technology advancing like it has, this was inevitable. Compacts may well be in danger
Thanks Dpr, that was a justifiable and well put together review. I know you have issues being pushed for time and so many reviews to do.
Not available in Australia unless buying the whole handset from an importer.
Canon has a huge following worldwide and an offering for someone who wants more than a mobile phone, but not DSLR, this should sell in reasonable numbersThe photographer in the family will buy DSLR's, but the 'significant other' will want something more suited to their mobile phone style, of which millions if not billions are now using.Forum followers are already in their zone of interest and therefore not necessarily the target market for this. MOST SMART PHONE USERS DONT WANT A VIEWFINDER......Same whinging and moaning as we saw about the Pentax K-01, yet real world users are getting stunning results, so its all about perception.Again, being able to use existing Canon lenses, albeit with an adapter is another bonus. Be interested to see what the full review makes of this, which will be a comparison with other similar offerings, so Nex and K-01.The onus will be on the reviewer to look at their K-01 review and judge accordingly................
I thought the 18-135 looked pretty good here. Its been given a bad wrap and yes some of the shots looks a bit soft on the edges, where most look well within what I would say is acceptable for a kit lens.The squirrel shot had soft edges and some of the scenery was pretty sharp to the edges, which would be opposite to what I expected.Without the exif data, hard to know the settings and physical distance of surroundings.I would expect this is northern hemisphere summer and some heat and atmospheric fall off at the edges of the scenic shots, but its pretty good.Overall, for jpegs out of the box its good stuff.Thank goodness they didnt use the 18-55, I have almost given up on taking photos yesterday because of that soft piece of junk. Have to bide my time, use my 55-300 more and save my pennies for some better primes or zooms.
Have 2 friends at work with N8's, which is what I wanted, but no longer for use with plans in Australia. They have upgraded to belle and love it. At least Nokia have constantly backed up their systems. I had a play n it looks to run great.Unfortunately Nokia not bringing this here as well.....suck ! Enjoy using my HTC for of the cuff snaps n some good ones at that, but this thing ROCKS for image quality. With reverse interpolation it rivals much better cameras for IQ in good light.I am one who is happy with symbian especially if i get this camera and it'd apps.
1. Plastic: doesnt matter, its all good nowadays.2. AF: Typical Canon....the best and very reassuring.3. Features......Yawn, boring Canon never ground breaking.4. Sensor: Cant match the sony sensors in Nikon and Pentax.5. Megapixels: Who cares its all gone silly and glad to see only 18......6. Sales? ...........bucket loads because its Canon and who can beat the EOS marketing machine.7. video: pretty good, up there with sony.......or go buy a video cam.Summary: Just another solid Canon product with no major class leading or ground breaking ideas which will sell by the gazillionsTime to roll over and go back to sleep.
Yip, just read the conclusion again and found it to be pretty impartial and reasonably well written.DPR givs Pentax DSLR's a good wrap, but with its unusual design and leaving some things out has got a few people stumped, not to mention the very polarising design, the K-01 deserves what it got.Again, this doesnt make it a bad camera! it scored high in IQ and a few strong points, but I can only guess that we are now comparing it against the very best in all facets of camera technology.Just because it AF's slower than modern tech, I would be happy compared to my kx with kit lens ??? Design, if you really want to like it, then you will adapt and not find the ergonomics a problem.I think the nit picking of reviews has gotten as bad as nit picking cameras themselves for pretty small differences.Its pretty hard to compare to anything though and I find comparisons to the Nex getting tedious. Obviously good cameras, their ergonomics dont make sense 2 me.....but hey they sell well!!
JoeDaBassPlayer: Having shot with it at indoor events, in lower light, it is comparable in speed to a sub pro canikon DSLR. However, it always gets the AF right.
When things get too dark for AF, it will still MF accurately due to focus peaking. Meanwhile, a DSLR is out of luck. The OVF will be too dark to get an accurate MF. This is not just my experience. Ask anyone who owns one.
Spider..........love your style and your right.i feel that far too much attention is paid to minute or even just relatively small differences that dont always affect the real world user. Sure nice snappy AF is good, but where are we going with all of this?????