Nikonworks: Most retailers hold a straight forward 'Inventory Sale', of which this article clearly seems to be, except the straight forward part.
DPReview please take notice:When I was a kid 'slot cars' were the newest and 'biggest' thing.Stores opened up just with slot car race tracks. It was fantastic but very short lived because the market place became overloaded with slot cars and accessories to the point the kids could not keep up with the market.The whole market folded like a deck of cards.
Of late, you, the editors are doing the same thing here at DPReview.You have too many Final Reviews to post before listing 'Old cameras under $1000'. You are reaching in all directions, phones, tech, cameras, etc.You are making this site unwieldly and soon ambiguous.
You better get together and focus on your mission.
At the same time you can discuss formally thanking me for my 'Real World Samples' suggestion.
Goodness, we get worked up don't we......Thought it was a good read, especially on a weekend.....Nice job. Especially when the old cameras are for some a very relevant market. Not everyone can afford new stuff straight onto the market and choose our upgrades very seriously. So this IS very relevant......gosh even the Pentax supports will have to be fairly happy with the comments here...and that takes a lot...LolAlso...being an old filmy, I am now very much a smartphone user and value some of the recent articles which is very much now a huge part of photography. Look at what Samsung and Nokia are in the process of bringing to the table??Understand the times and Dpr's need to keep up with everyone, not just the traditionalists
Wow, casio and Fujitsu make phones?? Casio are underated in the camera stakes with some good cams.That rugged phone has some great specs for outdoors types, hope it will make it down under, that's got some serious potential
Great review Dpr and pretty much shows they are all very close. I have an HTC sensation which produces reasonable images but is now old tech and find my even older Pentax X90 still out performs other than app generated effects.
The next Generation Samsung smart cam and Nokia EOS must almost be with Dpr for preview by now, so be interesting to see the leap in IQ
Hmm................okay this is a challenging product.Now I have played with my partners Samsung compact and there are cool things about it and things I don't like, butI do use an android phone, andI'm a Pentax user, which means i'm also a traditionalist who likes 'normal' SLR's.This thing looks like an overgrown Samsung Galaxy with DSLR grips and lenses...............kind of hate it and like it. Very confused.However, never had a look at Samsungs aps-c sensor or results, but have to say, this is the future and well done for setting it in motion.I suspect that there will be battery issues? using such a big screen and everything that goes with it.I just think the technology of Samsung and the soul of Pentax would be a great combo.Got to be worth watching though........tempting, and the product will get better
jaygeephoto: I think I saw this in Finding Nemo. The Pentax WG-3. Better camera all around and doesn't look like a tub toy (at least in black). Lets see that comparison! Canon makes some superb advances amateur and professional equipment; this stuff is beneath them. It's is as if Lexus made a skateboard.
Look forward to the WG3 review. Was recently given a WG2 for Christmas. Def no landscape tool, but these are a must for families at the beach, people who need the microscope feature like coin collectors, jewellers, stamp collectors, archaeologists etc. A brilliant macro feature. The front LEDs and close focusing is stunning. Have to give Oly the thumbs up for general IQ, but maybe from reports, the WG3 has improved in that department.Seriously worth having in your kit.
Wow, with the choice and prices now, I'll upgrade the Kx soon. These are killer prices for what you get.Begs the question now, what the upper level announcement will be. The 24mp sensor, tilt and touch screen with a movie mode to satisfy those interested......a three or four Dslr line up will be a big step forward.I also would like to see a dedicated Ricoh home printer system aka Canon pixma to match your Pentax Ricoh cameras. That seems to me to be a natural progression for marketing and increased product value. Linked with a Bluetooth or WiFi system.
Zvonimir Tosic: If DPR didn't wait 9 months, the K5II(S) would have scored better — according to DPR's own words of balancing expectations of a camera relative to its current situation and peers.So where is the logic in that — be late to make a review for 9 months, and honour it with "today's relative value"? Someone could even think that you have waited for a new model of Nikon to come out, so that the K5II would not look as good as its newer peer, from a brand you'll always favour with timely reviews (as Simon acknowledged few weeks ago).In a way, you guys on DPR do protect Nikon's interests. You care more about Nikon. If this Pentax camera is often overlooked even if full of unique treats for photographers, to paraphrase your words from the review, you do contribute a great deal to it, by writing damn late reviews, when camera is almost to be replaced with a new model.
@ HubertAgree with your assessment of the Pentax systems and product lineage.I own a Kx, still a formidable sensor, when teamed up with good glass. Like the cheapo but stunning 55-300, produces great images. So much so that according to snapsort, the sensor quality still outperforms recent Canon models. Obviously other factors like processing to consider, but an entry level Pentax designed how many years ago, way ahead of the opposition on many counts at the time, still comparable, much like the K5.Pentax problem is marketing and dropping the ball at the end film days and beginning digital days. Never recovered from that, however product wise and kit lenses very good in their class, some very nice zooms and well known high quality primes.Just got to move with the times and technology.
Zvonimir Tosic: WG-3 in white is a good news for all kinds of doctors, dentists etc. who use WG cameras and their excellent macro capabilities (and LED light) in their everyday work. Because the camera works in clean medical environments, more white colour on a device is better than all black. And it seems WG cameras are becoming increasingly popular in that market segment.You may all roll your eyes, and not understand it, but from that perspective this addition is truly newsworthy, yes, and Pentax does listen to its customers.
I have the wg2 and I know your point. This camera is an absolute must for people doing stamp collecting, document investigation, bugs, insects, even hands on medical applications.The wg2 is very soft wide angle landscape shooter, but comes into its own close up, especially with those LEDs.Teachers, researchers, families etc this thing rocks.
Finally and a good review / conclusion.
So what we are saying here..... if you want to take photographs, this is a damn good camera, possibly one of the best in its class...........if you want to shoot video, its not the best video cam around. Sort of ironic way to view a DSLR, but getting with the times.........
Now Pentax just need to get their s*%t sorted in terms of product development, systems and marketing to be taken seriously. Shops here downunder getting less enthusiastic about the product and selling of their existing Pentax stuff. Good time to pounce for a bargain I guess.
marike6: I don't care for the chubby body design, but this is one of the better 16 mp Sony cameras in recent memory. It performs particularly well in video mode. Looking at the Studio Scene Comparison (RAW), my little K-30 beats up on all 3 other cameras pretty good. I fully expect come K30 review time though for DPR to find some arcane reason why it's not even a Silver Award, but we will see.
Anyway, just messing around. Thanks DPR for the review.
Whilst I am a Pentax user and presently see no reason to change, its the sum total of all the areas of a camera that must be taken into consideration when reviewing. Canon and Sony offerings are well rounded packages that perform.better on video. And a few other little tricks, whilst our beloved Pentax produces excellent IQ at a gazillion ISO. Most people don't shoot there. They also don't review based on excellent kit lenses like the 55-300.I am looking forward to the completion of the K30 which is taking a bizarre length of time.I expect it to score around the same ball park. Dynamic range on K30 was not top score either, and WR wont suddenly make it a winner.It's a horse's for courses choice for most people.
K5 is still a top performing aps-c, so tweaking a good thing and not completely falling for the higher mp trap must mean an excellent cam.The removed aliasing filter version should produce stunning quality for commercial shooters producing near FF results in a handy package.The q to k adapter could be a lot of fun on a 55-300 lens. That's wildlife shooting at a cheap price for lots of people.Still can't help thinking another higher end cam is coming.Am pleased with the announcements thus far.Real world Users should be impressed despite those negative people who always pop up for the sake of it.
robbo d: Whilst I find the rolling review disjointed and disappointing, is it playing into Pentax hands ?At least its k30 time every couple of weeks.Soon the Canikon fanboys will be claiming dpr is on Pentax payroll......Lol. Ironic?Will be an interesting time after photokina with so many products coming onto the market.
@BarneyI thought my post added a little light hearted humour to balance out the criticism of some Pentax die hards who think yr on Canons payroll.The K30 isn't my pet camera, but I do find the response time compared to other major dslr reviews more than a little odd.I happen to think the 650d review was a good read,especially as it all came at once. The K30 is significant model as the 650d, so I guess some have a right to be suspicous of your motives, despite their blinkered thinking. The K5 reviewed as one of the highest scores ever, so I am still believing in a balanced viewpoint.
Whilst I find the rolling review disjointed and disappointing, is it playing into Pentax hands ?At least its k30 time every couple of weeks.Soon the Canikon fanboys will be claiming dpr is on Pentax payroll......Lol. Ironic?Will be an interesting time after photokina with so many products coming onto the market.
I like Nokia's camera technology and am one of those who aren't worried about many apps.What I will want when my phone plan changes next year is better battery life. I am leaning to the Nokia phone tech, but I think the Samsung battery life rocks unless this improves on that. Be nice to have best of both worlds.
I personally feel an overkill by just one or two nieces using it and posting images on facebook, however: This is photography love or hate it and there is an application for it by some of these professionals in certain situations.Like it or not, much like HDR it polarises opinion, but I liked the content of the article as a read and the reason why DPRis the 'go to' photo site for many.Thanks for the informative article.............
Benjamin Kanarek: Pentax, Canon, Nikon, Sony etc all build really good camera's that in most cases out perform the potential of those using them. The K30 is a good camera, but in the hands of a pixel peeping dysfunctional user, it will be of no consequence to anyone other than those who spend time in front of a screen determining which pixel outperforms the next. Just get out there and use your stuff. Yeah, I use Pentax to shoot for magazines the likes of VOGUE & Harper's BAZAAR. But I could do so with pretty much anything out there. We shot all of our HD video's with the Pentax K-x and K-01 and I hear no complaints from the clients. My K20D's and K5's have been used for everything that has been published over the last 5 years. I almost switched back to Canon last month with their 5D Mklll. But I might just as well get the Nikon D800 if I do switch. But for now, I am using K5's and Pentax lenses. None the less, I like the K30, especially in Blue.
Ben, great to hear some sense. Sick of bashing of cameras and brands for reasons purely of point scoring or just plain lack of knowledge.I have used Canon and have no trouble doing so again, chose Pentax because their strong points suit my style of shooting. I played with a friends Sony a77 the other day and was impressed with the tech, again could easily use it and enjoy just taking photos.I took photos with my phone yesterday because I had some spare time, so went for a walk.Quality glass on the front of any modern camera should yield excellent results. I found the review on the 650D fair and he seemed to like the sum total of the way the cam worked and its a fine camera in anyones hands. Yes the K30 is a great cam, esp at that price. Is it better than anything else? depends what you want it for an what matters to you.I would like to know why we are getting a rolling review on a cam theyve had for longer, however marketing wise it playing into Pentax's hands isn't it?
rockylui: Dear dpreview, I want to suggest that the Pentax K-30 should be classified as COMPACT DSLR instead of mid-level DSLR. I think that it will be more fair to it, as its street price is the same with D5100 and 650D. It seems very unfair and irrelevant for readers to have it compared with D7000 and 60D which are definitely a higher class in the market (in terms of price).Thanks!
Yes agreed, no matter how its scored its a damn fine camera at the price.I have a fair bit of trust that dpr will give it a fair trial. The K5 & Kx reviews scored pretty high.I think the x5, photokina revelations n the K30 marks a significant move forward especially with renewed retail approach to marketing.
Or is that just a compliment to it..................???
amicus70: Why do we have to read so much crap in the postings? Many sentences with nothing concerning the camera...
Just some replies to the most unuseful postings:A bridge-camera with a handle... because you could hold it a lot better then a common super-zoom. A bridge-camera with an electronic view-finder... because sometimes it's better than just a little monitor. A bridge-camera that looks like a dslr... why not? Perhaps there are people who like the appearance of a dslr, but don't want all the possibilities. I could continue endlessly.
I will not buy this camera, although I'm a Pentax-fan. But I would like a camera with much more possibilities (I hope a K-3 is coming). But some of you should be aware, that not your untechnical opinion on such a camera is decisive, but the opinion of the buyers.
FYI, Pentax is changing to retail again and many reporting seeing them in stored again and precisely why this camera is here on the market.
Tape5: Please tell me,
Did somebody ask for this camera to be manufactured?
These are the people who make the 645D. But products like these remind you how slowly things change. Affordable photography technology is falling way below Moore's Law for affordable computing. I genuinely thought by Photokina 2012 we would have ten M9 competitors at quarter the price. Instead cameras like this get churned out.
And I get the affordability issue but taken to a certain level, it means 'don't worry about quality because you are not paying for it'. And that's always a bit illogical, I don't care how little people pay for it.
All the leading brands sell these kind of cams. It's a sizeable market.I guess Pentax wants to be part of it. Sales and profit are what they are.Quality, well, do we know how poorly or well made and what sort of quality images it produces.Go to a tourist place and see those Panasonic's n Fujis everywhere.
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