colesf: Pentax is too late to the FF party. What possible advantages in photo quality of every metric can it offer over the K3? I can already shoot in the lowest light. I can already make huge enlargements if I need to. Why would I or most of the world, which clearly now favors smaller sized cameras, want to spend more money on a larger and heavier camera with fewer updated lenses for what can only be a marginal increase in visible quality. Pentax would have been better off producing faster and more durable AF mechanism, or even lenses with built-in SR as an option (I've always found the built-in SR in their cameras to be rather mediocre and not competitive with Canon or Nikon).
Not worried about megapixels but low light performance yes.I can shoot in the lowest of light with my K3 also, but it's garbage compared to a D750 or similar.I value the extra stop or two, but other than that nothing more I need. However, talk to those who made the jump and many have told me the images from the FF are noticeably enough better.K3 is a very good cam, but as a retailer told me the other day, Pentax don't have a proper range to push out there. He believes that the K1 will improve things.
Don Sata: Ok so the photos hint at good DR and possible nice ISO which is granted if they are using a Sony sensor... but it better be really good or cheap because the FF market is currently crowded.
Can't see it being dirt cheap, not at first. It will be competitive as the Pentax crowd will fall for it to put their old lenses on.It will have good DR and ISO cos it's a Pentax with a Sony sensor, so that's a no brainer.Really good .... depends on what your after ... think a D810 sensor tweaked with a D750 screen, apsc crop function, likely a very good stills photo oriented system, high life shutter and what sounds like a new Ricoh tech based AF system which should lift it closer to or same as Nikons. The latest flash is good, I have it and used it for paid work. Also think 'not crippled' in terms of shutter speeds like D750.Lets see though if theyve lifted the game on tethered shooting and flash sync speeds ??One would think the time and effort gone into this should make it a damn fine first effort, other wise they are scr#$@d
This will slightly stimulate interest in Pentax.
What's needed as per anu l said below is lenses. A huge consideration after the 24-70 and 70-210 is a 24-120 like Nikon's. That's a deal breaker for me .... not sure my old FA 28-105 will cut the mustard.Perhaps Sigma's 24-105 will come out in a Pentax mount ....that would make sense.
TigerTron: There soon will be a time when it'll be smart phone cameras and semi-pro/pro DLSR cameras will be the last ones standing. Smart phones took out video camera sales two years ago and now the low to middle camera market. It really stinks the big camera companies have not created a small/mid size compact that can clearly spank a top end iphones and android smartphone cameras. The canon s100 is the last compact camera I will own. Nikon/Canon/Sony/ect have dropped the ball on the bread and butter cameras.
Quite correct, but:I think the article answers you. The sale of high end products like A7 and RX is up and profitable. Are not those RX cams of a size to compete with compacts you suggest ?? and "spank" mobile phones.Putting in a decent sensor to spank phones usually means bigger size. An A7 is tiny compared to other FF's and the output amazing.Put a zoom on anything and size becomes an issue compared to a phone.
Average User: Ultimately the D500 question will be whether the sum total of all its technology adds up to better pictures... comparing the D5500 and 5200 and 5300 predecessors, which are, by the way, great cameras, Nikon APS-c sensors have not advanced much in the past three years. Comparing to the same priced D750 the question is going to be whether in real world shooting, you take an IQ hit in low light. To me this camera is going to have to show some significant advance in image quality over prior APS-C cameras. A key element is going to be the sensor. Not much publicity about the sensor, but hoping Nikon is using Sony's new BSI CMOS sensor technology. If it does I think the camera will be on everyone's list.
@Average user .......Using the D750, what can you compare the low light performance to? I went to Pentax 7 years ago for better low light performance from Canon, now that D750 sensor looks like "the cats pyjamas" for doing a few weddings and I enjoy low light work as well. How many stops of usable performance does it bring? I went from 16mp on the K5iis to the 24 mp K3, which I don't really like .... happily trade the k3 in and get something with mega low light performance.
robbo d: Scary thing is weight..... k3 is already slightly heavier than a D750 body. Add battery grip, high quality glass and flash X2 when doing weddings ..... i hope its not too much of a tank.Might have to add a gym membership.!!!Pentax k3/k5 are small in form but theyre little heavy suckers ..... so if barney thinks it looks bulkier than D750 ... hmmmm
@joyclick.When you carry two fully loaded DSLR's over your shoulders for most of a full days wedding shoot, you'll know what I mean....Not the weekend warrior or holiday maker, it would be easy .....Don't assume my friend .....
joyclick: Will it beat any of the current flagships from Cannikon?
Beat .... yes to most of the above.Pentax have spent a long time and it's too darn important to them, plus they cannot afford a whole range of gear, so they'll throw the kitchen sink into this thing.Compare the k3 to anything of its like and feature set, build and bang for buck easily. K-s2 wifi is allegedly one of the better ones out there. FPS depends on sensor size but most Pentax DSLR's have high FPS.Sony sensor so DR is a given.AF will be interesting but theyve mostly caught up in body but the newer lenses help.
You need to define "beat"Canikon has great Full frame lens line up and systems but Pentax has a fair bit of gear already.It would seem that Pentax are going to throw a lot into this baby to make it a very high performance jack of all trades.Similar to D810 but not withdrawing certain functions of different cameras and cripplimg others to keep an expansive range.It should be mega ... if you know k5/k3 you'll know what we mean It will be a photographer tool.
T3: I just wonder if there's really enough of a market for another big, chunky FF DSLR at a time when FF mirrorless is coming into play. We're at the beginning of an inflection point in the camera market. Pentax may be a little too late to the game with this FF DSLR product line. I think it would have been a lot more interesting, and future-forward of Pentax to have introduced a FF mirrorless body instead.
Canikon still sell gazillions of them, pros' still use them, loads of asian tourists still use them .... while the small form factor of most mirrorless and 4/3rd are on the rise and highly desirable yet still not outselling DSLR's. There is still life left in these old dogs yet as there are many of us who like hands on buttons to get quick access while on the fly shooting which small form factor doesn't allow and requires endless scrolling thru menu's.Rather than arguing for one or other, both have their place and work well for their users.
After a recent advert in town for the Olympus OM-D EM5 MkII ..... or similar, Pentax shouldn't be outdone.So K1 FF 850 LX-D Mk VII .... this would mean an attachment to new and old, while giving obvious reference to FF, outdoing Nikon and not being outdone by 5D Mk3 .... just go straight to Mk 7 ..... simple
Scary thing is weight..... k3 is already slightly heavier than a D750 body. Add battery grip, high quality glass and flash X2 when doing weddings ..... i hope its not too much of a tank.Might have to add a gym membership.!!!Pentax k3/k5 are small in form but theyre little heavy suckers ..... so if barney thinks it looks bulkier than D750 ... hmmmm
Zvonimir Tosic: A camera of this calibre has "AUTO" on the main dial?I suggest erasing that, and adding "Canon user" mode. Or "m4/3 folk" mode.
Haha ... were you the class clown in school Zvonmir? Good to see your individual brand of humour back again.....
Marty4650: This could have been the camera of the year in 2008!
.... when i said "as competitive" I should have clarified I meant in terms of capability, not sales figures....
Given modern tech with R&D there is much still to come for Mirrorless and DSLRS. Both are as relevant as each other....
And I cant see hordes of people changing camp because the mythical beast has arrived. I would agree that it's not going to see massive following in a massive hurry
Wow, funny and relative comment ..... Not everyone's life revolves around 4/3rds and more than a chance are it'll be as competitive with other FF manufacturers which most pro's still use, especially when the form factor is same as APS-C.Just cruising by for a little flame bait ???
robbo d: Bizarre Pentax way releasing such a headline product .... I guess it's creating talk.wifi .... tickArtic screen .... never thought id say it .... tickSony FF sensor .... tickeither 36 / 42 with rumour of pixel binning to 24mp and pixel shift as well ? could be a very very versatile unit. Combo of a K-S2 and K3 but with some serious steroids, I like it !!!Timing will be good for me .... but the question is ... whether to be an early adopter or not ??
@photomedium ..... ????Pixel binning to 24 giving you smaller file sizes and potentially better low light performance or even video use.Pixel shift from 36/42 will give you mega image quality for landscapes.Less lenses ??? You don't know much about Pentax lens availability and compatability ??
tassienick: I realise that this is probably five years late, and SLR's are obsolete, and Pentax is dying a slow death, and so on and so forth, but for some reason this has got me strangely excited anyway...
31mm, 43mm and 77mm LTD's, an OVF, and a round-the-world ticket. Mmmmmmmmmmm.
haha ... yeah we've heard it all before haven't we ..... i think the whole dslr vs mirrorless thing is a joke ... its a block with a shutter button that produces an image and this one may well blur the lines given some of the talk, but it will no doubt be a pro capable tool. I think Pentax must be a cat ... with nine lives given the amount of Pentax is dying predictions !!!
NFC as well ? keeps looking better. I purchased a flu card but getting it to work on my surface pro seems to be a mission.... it seems to have all the ingredients i'm after. Thought the D750 was my option but this thing could be my perfect camera......
Bizarre Pentax way releasing such a headline product .... I guess it's creating talk.wifi .... tickArtic screen .... never thought id say it .... tickSony FF sensor .... tickeither 36 / 42 with rumour of pixel binning to 24mp and pixel shift as well ? could be a very very versatile unit. Combo of a K-S2 and K3 but with some serious steroids, I like it !!!Timing will be good for me .... but the question is ... whether to be an early adopter or not ??
10thumbs: The T6s is $100 more than a Pentax K-3. Other than a touch screen, why would anyone purchase this over a Pentax. Even if you owned an extensive canon lens collection is of no use on this model.
If I owned a Canon Lens collection I'd be using Canon bodies ... I use Pentax, for weddings too, but give me either I take photo's. Use a K3 with grip and 50-135 lens for a day with a metz flash and you've done a workout. Pentax = small but heavy.Canon = big but heavy if you use a 5D...same difference. Never seen a Canon fall apart cos its plastic ..... still tough.Canon don't need to lead cos they own the market.Going from 16 to 24 mp isn't all good.... all those extra mp means you need 50% higher shutter speeds and a whole lot more noise. Canon knows this and are rightly slow to increase because most engineers know more mp isnt always the answer, just a marketing game.I'm not a big K3 24mp fan, my 16mp K5IIs is a very forgiving and stable camera, thats what you need when shooting quickly and in low light, thats what Canon knows best, stable, consistant cameras (not necessarily low light ) that can do the job without fuss.... if i wasnt shooting Pentax i'd be shooting Canon