M1963: The concept of "advanced entry level" baffles me, but kudos to Pentax for making a budget DSLR with two rotary dials. Canikon, take notice.
Nobby is not making a derogatory statement about Pentax which needs knee jerk defensive replies. Just hard truth..I am a Pentax owner and user through and through but if it wasnt for letting the game slip past them all those years ago they might be in Canon's shoes now.Regardless it suits me that they keep a smaller range with more in those cameras rather than having to buy three to get a complete feature set.....However if i want a true sports AF system I'll need to go to Nikon most likely.
Glad i'm not the only one finding that i'm needing to up my shutter speeds to get sharp images with this new breed of high mp cams ....
Dragonfly .... or other??
robbo d: Carey,Whats your take on AF competency vs Nikon.I am in the D750 vs K1 dilemma.Worried that the k1 will not be better enough than my k3 when doing paid / wedding work, nailing focus in that higher percentile.Wonderful feature set that it has, lenses and focus speed have been my issue thus far.... don't want to waste money on another nice feeling camera that cant keep up with the action..... as much as i like Pentax
Lucky enough to do a quick swimsuit shoot the other evening and when the light went down I reached for the K5iis .... wider apertures on both cams (K3 also) was a disaster. I do use the old focus and recompose a lot but learning my focus points better has helped. I normally just shoot f5.6 because I can't rely on Pentax and 50-135 or even Sigma 17-50 in fast moving situations.No doubt the K1 will be an advancement with new lenses but I suspect as you guys say, that the D750 will be excellent.I do believe that Pentax's stated market for this camera is relevant, the feature set is fantastic at that price point and its a massive and well done first step, but as a fast paced working tool .... not yet.
By the way. ... nice piece, well written and pretty much covers the Pentax ethos.
Carey,Whats your take on AF competency vs Nikon.I am in the D750 vs K1 dilemma.Worried that the k1 will not be better enough than my k3 when doing paid / wedding work, nailing focus in that higher percentile.Wonderful feature set that it has, lenses and focus speed have been my issue thus far.... don't want to waste money on another nice feeling camera that cant keep up with the action..... as much as i like Pentax
odpisan: Negative comments about K-1 have all only one reason:
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!CaNik Co. got kicked in the balls with K-1 & now they are all histerical. So they send souch prepayed guys on internet to write stupid comments & to provoke us - Pentax-lovers.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have only one question:
HOW MANY PENTAXIANS has wrote negative comments under articles about Ca-Nik camera-tests?
The answer is:Nobody, niemand, personne, nihče, nessuno, niko, nikto ... !!!
Do you understand the fear of Nikon/Canon (owners)?They are loosing their overpaid immage & they are histerical .. that is the only truth.
As a Pentax owner and user, doing a little paid work, the k3 sensor and Pentax lenses struggle with fast paced low light work.
Whilst the k1 is every amateur pentax owners, astro photographer, legacy owners, landscape shooters dream .... i am leaning to Nikons D750 for serious work and AF that can keep pace. Hence very few canikon owners will be too worried or willing to jump camp.
Dreams are free, nice camera that it looks and sounds on paper, I'd be worried that buying it will result in much the same sad AF performance or not enough of an improvement.Looking forward to real life testing.
Typical 'Douche bag' rhetoric going on here ... great though, it shows the K1 as being more and more popular .......Well written article and in the camera world, this is pretty big news when one of the old names comes back to the forefront of equipment again, so a very much newsworthy piece.Would be the same if a Minolta was released or similar.Milc and fanboys from Canikony who can't look outside their squares are helping with the popularity of this .... so feel free to give us your stupidly well thought out comments.... LolAn incredibly well built an designed camera given that they were not currently in that market and a bold gesture when you think about the market.I'll reserve true judgement and my $$ until proper reviews and tests.That 5 axis stabilisation looks good to me, but then so does a D750 still and its 24-120 .... where I wonder about the re hash of the old 28-105 design ?Nicely written piece
Also, what are the down sampling options in FF mode?
What is the next level down in MP it will allow?
I will be very keen on seeing the performance in low light.
DPR, when you do a bit more work, i'll be interested to see how the -3ev and 5 stop SR works in real time with that sensor.
How good will it be for a wedding photographer...............
Uses current battery from the last batch of aps-c, most likely due to camera size
That gives 760 odd shots per cycle, which is a lot less than Canikon FF's ??
The benefit here and something I really love is not having so many different batteries and chargers.
A bit of plus and minus here.
I'm not up to play with the current Tamron line up, so where did this 28-105 come from? Is is a re hashed throw back to the FA lenses? and sort of a new lens entirely.......
If so, a bit surprised they didn't go a tad wider like Nikon's 24-120.
I have an FA and not a bad proposition on my aps-c .....
colesf: Pentax is too late to the FF party. What possible advantages in photo quality of every metric can it offer over the K3? I can already shoot in the lowest light. I can already make huge enlargements if I need to. Why would I or most of the world, which clearly now favors smaller sized cameras, want to spend more money on a larger and heavier camera with fewer updated lenses for what can only be a marginal increase in visible quality. Pentax would have been better off producing faster and more durable AF mechanism, or even lenses with built-in SR as an option (I've always found the built-in SR in their cameras to be rather mediocre and not competitive with Canon or Nikon).
Not worried about megapixels but low light performance yes.I can shoot in the lowest of light with my K3 also, but it's garbage compared to a D750 or similar.I value the extra stop or two, but other than that nothing more I need. However, talk to those who made the jump and many have told me the images from the FF are noticeably enough better.K3 is a very good cam, but as a retailer told me the other day, Pentax don't have a proper range to push out there. He believes that the K1 will improve things.
Don Sata: Ok so the photos hint at good DR and possible nice ISO which is granted if they are using a Sony sensor... but it better be really good or cheap because the FF market is currently crowded.
Can't see it being dirt cheap, not at first. It will be competitive as the Pentax crowd will fall for it to put their old lenses on.It will have good DR and ISO cos it's a Pentax with a Sony sensor, so that's a no brainer.Really good .... depends on what your after ... think a D810 sensor tweaked with a D750 screen, apsc crop function, likely a very good stills photo oriented system, high life shutter and what sounds like a new Ricoh tech based AF system which should lift it closer to or same as Nikons. The latest flash is good, I have it and used it for paid work. Also think 'not crippled' in terms of shutter speeds like D750.Lets see though if theyve lifted the game on tethered shooting and flash sync speeds ??One would think the time and effort gone into this should make it a damn fine first effort, other wise they are scr#$@d
This will slightly stimulate interest in Pentax.
What's needed as per anu l said below is lenses. A huge consideration after the 24-70 and 70-210 is a 24-120 like Nikon's. That's a deal breaker for me .... not sure my old FA 28-105 will cut the mustard.Perhaps Sigma's 24-105 will come out in a Pentax mount ....that would make sense.
TigerTron: There soon will be a time when it'll be smart phone cameras and semi-pro/pro DLSR cameras will be the last ones standing. Smart phones took out video camera sales two years ago and now the low to middle camera market. It really stinks the big camera companies have not created a small/mid size compact that can clearly spank a top end iphones and android smartphone cameras. The canon s100 is the last compact camera I will own. Nikon/Canon/Sony/ect have dropped the ball on the bread and butter cameras.
Quite correct, but:I think the article answers you. The sale of high end products like A7 and RX is up and profitable. Are not those RX cams of a size to compete with compacts you suggest ?? and "spank" mobile phones.Putting in a decent sensor to spank phones usually means bigger size. An A7 is tiny compared to other FF's and the output amazing.Put a zoom on anything and size becomes an issue compared to a phone.
Average User: Ultimately the D500 question will be whether the sum total of all its technology adds up to better pictures... comparing the D5500 and 5200 and 5300 predecessors, which are, by the way, great cameras, Nikon APS-c sensors have not advanced much in the past three years. Comparing to the same priced D750 the question is going to be whether in real world shooting, you take an IQ hit in low light. To me this camera is going to have to show some significant advance in image quality over prior APS-C cameras. A key element is going to be the sensor. Not much publicity about the sensor, but hoping Nikon is using Sony's new BSI CMOS sensor technology. If it does I think the camera will be on everyone's list.
@Average user .......Using the D750, what can you compare the low light performance to? I went to Pentax 7 years ago for better low light performance from Canon, now that D750 sensor looks like "the cats pyjamas" for doing a few weddings and I enjoy low light work as well. How many stops of usable performance does it bring? I went from 16mp on the K5iis to the 24 mp K3, which I don't really like .... happily trade the k3 in and get something with mega low light performance.
robbo d: Scary thing is weight..... k3 is already slightly heavier than a D750 body. Add battery grip, high quality glass and flash X2 when doing weddings ..... i hope its not too much of a tank.Might have to add a gym membership.!!!Pentax k3/k5 are small in form but theyre little heavy suckers ..... so if barney thinks it looks bulkier than D750 ... hmmmm
@joyclick.When you carry two fully loaded DSLR's over your shoulders for most of a full days wedding shoot, you'll know what I mean....Not the weekend warrior or holiday maker, it would be easy .....Don't assume my friend .....
joyclick: Will it beat any of the current flagships from Cannikon?
Beat .... yes to most of the above.Pentax have spent a long time and it's too darn important to them, plus they cannot afford a whole range of gear, so they'll throw the kitchen sink into this thing.Compare the k3 to anything of its like and feature set, build and bang for buck easily. K-s2 wifi is allegedly one of the better ones out there. FPS depends on sensor size but most Pentax DSLR's have high FPS.Sony sensor so DR is a given.AF will be interesting but theyve mostly caught up in body but the newer lenses help.
You need to define "beat"Canikon has great Full frame lens line up and systems but Pentax has a fair bit of gear already.It would seem that Pentax are going to throw a lot into this baby to make it a very high performance jack of all trades.Similar to D810 but not withdrawing certain functions of different cameras and cripplimg others to keep an expansive range.It should be mega ... if you know k5/k3 you'll know what we mean It will be a photographer tool.