John Tran: Sony computers are nicknamed 'Biohazard' in Japan (Vaio - bio, geddit?) because they are renowned for catastrophically failing after 3 years or so. Sony have always been about built-in obsolescence and repeat business in a particularly aggressive way, it seems to me, and the state of used A7s after a year compared to what a high-end Canon or Nikon looks like after a similar amount of time and wear is something to consider.
It's just the finish looks pretty grubby - they seem to get more easily scratched and dinged. I don't know if the internals have any long term problems, except for the loose lens mount. These issues seem to have been addressed in the A7II.
The other thing is that A7 / A7R models are very cheap on the second-hand market in Japan. I don't know why that is, but it usually means something. BTW - I'm not anti-Sony particularly. I'm in the middle of deciding between a Canon 5dr or the Sony 7R replacement.
M H S: I swear I don't understand all this gnashing over brands, styles, etc...
I shoot canon dslr gear and enjoy it. Why should care (good or bad) if another brand or another style of camera does well? Most likely is it makes very little difference to me. Best case scenario is it puts competitive pressure on Canon, and I benefit with better, cheaper, or more diverse offerings.
I would be very happy if someone could explain to me why brand/style "loyalty" engenders such vehement and silly emotional responses.
Some people need to defend their chosen brand/attack others because criticism of their equipment is perceived as undermining their judgement. I'm guessing most of the angry comments are made by men, as well. Not saying why - but ... to say the two things are not connected would be wierd.
Sorry guys - not trolling, and not nonsense. That's the nickname, like it or not. Personally I think it's funny.
As for whether built-in obsolescence is really a Sony thing or not - argue the point - dissing me isn't going to make it more or less true.
and plenty of ear and nose hair.
Sony computers are nicknamed 'Biohazard' in Japan (Vaio - bio, geddit?) because they are renowned for catastrophically failing after 3 years or so. Sony have always been about built-in obsolescence and repeat business in a particularly aggressive way, it seems to me, and the state of used A7s after a year compared to what a high-end Canon or Nikon looks like after a similar amount of time and wear is something to consider.
DaveBowman: "This question comes only from people who have no experience of medium format at all." - oh really? I've used both the H4D and S2 systems and yes, Leica, you need to be worried about cameras like the D800. Only a fool wouldn't be, and only a pompous, self-absorbed fool would make a statement like that one.
lxstrom - I presume you are referring to me. Thanks for bringing abuse into the mix. Just to head you off with your assumptions about my 'intelligence' and 'owner'ship. Nothing else I have used in MF, or DSLR competes with a 110mm Super Symmar XL on my Ebony which I love dearly. The D800, however, provides a great alternative when I am not in a position to spend 20 minutes setting up a shot, or when I can only get a shot with a higher ISO. Hasselblad and Leica were and are extraordinary, but the difference between then and now, it seems to me, is they're trading on brand, as much as, if not more so than on quality. i.e. putting themselves on a pedestal rather than providing the consumer/professional with the tools they need at a reasonable price. If any of this is 'stupid' go ahead and make an argument.
Francis Carver: Why is everything Leica makes so butt-ugly?
Also, Leica's brain trust should have been following DP Review comments. They are now getting neck-deep into a legacy old school format (medium format) with their ungainly S model, when a lot of previously FF 135 format shooters are in fact moving down to APS-C, Micro 4/3rd, and 1-inch.
I guess with Leica, big and heavy and bulky somehow equates beautiful?
Heck, at least they did not come up with a brand new "Jumbo Imax" form factor and sensor camera this time around.
Taking another view cjhwang, if an MF camera/back manufacturer could produce something that had clean results at 1600 ISO, don't you think they would?
John Tran: How very Leica. Pompous and out of touch.
I now use a Nikon D800 for the shots I couldn't get on 4x5.
If all he had said was 36mp comparison is not all there is to it, then that would be have been ok (Oops. D800 probably still ahead in one or two areas!) but he didn't. Agree with you larrytusaz about the Hipstamatic/Instagram plague being annoying, but if people have fun with photography then that can't be a bad thing.
Leica and Hasselblad used to be the dog's dingleberries because they did the job. But now what I see is new models from them that often have issues out of the gate, supposedly premium engineered products that cost a fortune. Also I'm not sure pomposity encourages people to think about developing their skills...
How very Leica. Pompous and out of touch.