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Great review. However, Andrew Reid's video piece has a little too much opinion in it. I actually like Andrew's work. However, it doesn't really sit well with a dpreview review that has always been about facts in the past.
Overall I think the OMD is a better option for most people. However, for people like me that shoot video and stills nothing will top the GH3.
If Canon can just re-badge every year why can't Samsung?
arguros: Why this over the GF2?
It takes better pictures and videos. It has more controls. It has wifi. It has an improved new kit lens. It has better battery life. It has better Auto modes. It allows higher ISOs with less noise. It looks better.
I could keep going but you get the point. It simply is a newer better camera.
Sean Nelson: The spec list shows 1080 video at 60,50,30,25 fps but the "feature highlights" says 1080p30 in a 60i container. It would be nice to see some clarification...
It is 1080i/30 psf. Also known as 1080p @ 30 FPS(Or 29.97 FPS to be more precise).
Finally Panasonic has enabled the Manual controls for movie modes on something other than the GH line.
This camera is actually going to be a pretty big hit I think.
mpgxsvcd: The most important thing to remember here is that RAW footage is not going to help you at all if you don’t plan on editing the footage and doing color grading.
This camera is not intended to go up against cameras like the OMD and GF6. Instead it fits the very specific need of cinema photographers that shoot 24p and do heavy color grading and corrections.
The regular m4/3s cameras will shoot 1080p @ 60 FPS footage that is much better suited for average consumers than 24p is. They also shoot still images and have many more features related to making good videos and images straight out of the camera.
What the BM camera will do is virtually corner the market for those independent film makers that need something cheap and small to work with. This camera is geared specifically at taking over the market that the GH2 owned before.
I wouldn’t count out other formats being added with firmware down the road either.
Because the average user is going to buy this camera just because everyone is saying how great the dynamic range and RAW recording are.
Then they are going to be disappointed when they realize that 24p and RAW recording are not really going to help them at all if they never plan to really edit the footage.
It is the same thing as what happened with the Hack. It was meant to solve a very specific problem some people had with compression artifacts in extreme situations. It ended up being billed as the second coming for video. When in reality all it did for novice users is make their camera unstable.
mpgxsvcd: I have a feeling that Black Magic is the next "GoPro". They will sell a ton of cameras to everybody and their brother. However, after the newness wears off everyone will realize that you still have to put a lot of effort into it to get it to look like their promo videos.
You misunderstood what I said. I said that the company was like GoPro not the camera. GoPro offered a unique new product at an affordable price. Everyone went out and bought them. Now a lot of people are complaining when the camera doesn't magically transform their footage into an Epic film. I think that Black Magic(The company) will follow in a similar path.
GoPro investors got rich. I suspect BM investors will as well. Both companies make excellent products. However, you have to know what you are doing in order to get great results.
mpgxsvcd: The most important thing to remember here is that RAW footage is not going to help you at all if you don’t plan on editing the footage and doing color grading.
This camera is not intended to go up against cameras like the OMD and GF6. Instead it fits the very specific need of cinema photographers that shoot 24p and do heavy color grading and corrections.
The regular m4/3s cameras will shoot 1080p @ 60 FPS footage that is much better suited for average consumers than 24p is. They also shoot still images and have many more features related to making good videos and images straight out of the camera.
What the BM camera will do is virtually corner the market for those independent film makers that need something cheap and small to work with. This camera is geared specifically at taking over the market that the GH2 owned before.
I wouldn’t count out other formats being added with firmware down the road either.
The problem is that the average user probably will have trouble trying to edit or upload RAW footage. All of that extra information will just be wasted on anyone who isn't truly trying to shoot a "film".
makofoto: And it only does up to 30 fps. It needs 1080/60 in order to minimize jello. So it's not a replacement for an action cam like the GoPro
The frame rate has nothing to do with the Jello effect. The sensor read speed is what matters.
mpgxsvcd: This is a very cool camera with pretty much no competition in this price range right now.
July is not that far away. They are already taking pre-orders. Seems like this is the real deal to me.
FTH: interesting, but I will wait for Global shutter - rolling shutter is very awful
Ok then. See you next decade while everyone else just stops shaking their camera from side to side.
wkay: overkill, seems kind of small and impractical for essentially a pro-am camera, how do you fit this on pan head, manipulate camera controls, etc?
You simply don't do it the way it is done before and you try something radically new, For instance hand holding the camera, maybe or at least using a really small stabilizer.
This camera will open up news doors for lightweight mobile film-making. They make GoPro footage work so they can make this camera work.
mpgxsvcd: I would have liked to see 1080p @ 60 FPS but I understand why they didn't include it since it is a "cinema" camera.
@jonte0
And that is probably why this camera doesn't do high frames per second.
This is a very cool camera with pretty much no competition in this price range right now.
Still no sign of whether "Active" means that it can auto focus the lens or not. Dpreview, a little help here?
I have a feeling that Black Magic is the next "GoPro". They will sell a ton of cameras to everybody and their brother. However, after the newness wears off everyone will realize that you still have to put a lot of effort into it to get it to look like their promo videos.
The most important thing to remember here is that RAW footage is not going to help you at all if you don’t plan on editing the footage and doing color grading.
This camera is not intended to go up against cameras like the OMD and GF6. Instead it fits the very specific need of cinema photographers that shoot 24p and do heavy color grading and corrections.
The regular m4/3s cameras will shoot 1080p @ 60 FPS footage that is much better suited for average consumers than 24p is. They also shoot still images and have many more features related to making good videos and images straight out of the camera.
What the BM camera will do is virtually corner the market for those independent film makers that need something cheap and small to work with. This camera is geared specifically at taking over the market that the GH2 owned before.
I wouldn’t count out other formats being added with firmware down the road either.
mpgxsvcd: And there will still be people that say a hacked GH2 is better than this.
Yes they would be wrong. Lossy will never equal or surpass lossless.
mpgxsvcd: I would have liked to see 1080p @ 60 FPS but I understand why they didn't include it since it is a "cinema" camera.
This is designed to be a "Cinema" camera so 24p(25p in Pal Land) is all that is needed. I am with you though. I need 60 FPS so this won't work for me.
mpgxsvcd: I would have liked to see 1080p @ 60 FPS but I understand why they didn't include it since it is a "cinema" camera.
Actually 60 FPS has nothing to do with the Jello effect. Sensor read-out speed is what is critical.