Not a Cheetah! This is a leopard.
Timmbits: For how long can this go on... these tiny sensors hiding away behind the marketing hype!? And then they wonder why they struggle to gain market share? Why target a presumably more discriminating and knowledgeable customer (re: RAW), and the product severely handicapped with an undersized sensor? Or put another way: why put something for the ignorant under the hood when you are targeting all but? This is an insult to our intelligence.
Not much longer... These are marketed towards the general consumer who may have used those single use film camera in the past. The pretty colors and big mp numbers are about all they see (forest/trees).
With better cell phone cameras now, the basic P&S offerings will be reduced with wide zoom range versions being more common.
There is no reason a 1/1.7" 12mp sensor couldn't be put into a low cost basic P&S that sells for $150. It won't happen to protect the sales of higher end models.
wkay: cool products, too bad they appear to have exited the US market entirely without even a whimper
If they did leave the US market, I didn't even notice. Back when I was looking for a basic P&S with decent IQ, all the Casio models were unimpressive. Of course, now with everyone putting these 16mp pin head sensors with horrid image quality I have given up on a decent quality basic P&S that doesn't cost an arm and leg.
Simon97: Tell Mr Lim to fix their unreliable products. I bought a ST76 digital camera. For the low price, it does HD video and optical zoom during shooting. Beautiful uncompressed audio as well. The first camera just quit out of the blue while shooting stills. I got a replacement. Both cameras freeze during file transfer to the computer and every so often leave fixed purple bars in the video. I tried the firmware update to no avail.
Then there's that 52" TV that has broken down twice.
I guess so, but returned both cameras. The TV is my parents. I repaired it for them both times. First the powersupply capacitors failed and I installed new ones (2010). A year later, the timing controller board died. Installed a new one. So far, so good in 2012.
Tell Mr Lim to fix their unreliable products. I bought a ST76 digital camera. For the low price, it does HD video and optical zoom during shooting. Beautiful uncompressed audio as well. The first camera just quit out of the blue while shooting stills. I got a replacement. Both cameras freeze during file transfer to the computer and every so often leave fixed purple bars in the video. I tried the firmware update to no avail.
I like the wooden grip and the two on the bottom. The center left one should be sponsored by McDonald's :)
For me, I'll have to find a cheaper way to take pictures.
I have the feeling the camera will end up selling for less, awhile after it shows up in the stores. It all depends on how it sells initially compared to the Nikon and Sony. It might sell in the $1600-1800 range. Not bad for full frame.
Compare the higher ISO RAWs. The K30 has a really fine grain and retains high detail. Very interesting since it uses a Sony sensor.
DPR, The high ISO jpeg page shows the the competitive cameras still set with low ISO. At least it does on my computer.
That certain other camera test site has samples up with many showing the same scene at different ISOs. ISO 1600 is nearly free of noise. Great camera for those old primes that APS-C cameras made too telephoto.
The 5 image looks like a water color in the details. Obvious heavy NR. The 4s is nothing great either.
I'm glad someone's pushing the envelope. At this rate, it will be "SoNikon" as Canon will slip to a distant third. Perhaps Canon has something coming. Nothing much so far...
Good detail retention at high ISO without being too noisy. Probably as good as it gets at this price point.
I still think Pentax needs a more entry level model like Canon, Nikon and Sony. One can purchase a kit for $500 these days at any department store. The entry model is a gateway into a system for many folks.
magneto shot: let it go guys.... embrace the new dawn. typewriters are long gone....
True artists won't necessarily embrace modern technology the way gadget geeks do.
One thing I like about the NEX is the the grip. The thing that makes little sense is the small thin body, yet you need relatively large lenses unless you stick to pancakes exclusively. Lens size is where u4/3rds makes sense.
This is a good camera with a larger than typical P&S sensor. Much cleaner images than the 1/1.7" sensor compacts. I think a lot of people would be happy with it. I do have some nitpicks however...
Even at low ISO with the lens zoomed, noise does show. I applaud Sony for not trying to smear it away. The lens is a bit soft off axis. Sony should have used a 15 or 16mp sensor. This way the noise and lens would not be so challenging.
Lastly, an important thing to me, is that dynamically compressed audio manufacturers use on digicams. It makes background sounds thundering loud and live music impossible to record with any quality. At least have the ability to turn it off for natural sound quality.
Jpeg shooters will love the the high ISO performance. The already great D7000 is bested with the K30's better saturation, sharper detail and about the same noise at ISO 3200. If this camera lives up to its spec sheet, it will be the top pick. Pentax/Ricoh need to MARKET the darn thing!
IMHO, Pentax needs an entry level model unless the price on the K30 drops quite a bit. You can pick up a Canikon entry kit for around $500 these days. A good entry model will draw new shooters into your system.
I "get" what this camera is for, but I don't get the $180 MSPR. No video, even smaller than the usual small 1/3" sensor. Price should be $49 and blister packed, hanging next to the Vivitars.
Simon97: The grip on the NEX series makes them feel good in the hand. The trouble for me is, the lenses are so large it takes the advantage of the compactness away. This is why the 4/3rds makes more sense. The Nikon 1 system is even smaller when you want to use the telephoto lens.
Geez people... I wasn't commenting on the IQ. The NEX does have the advantage of APS-C sensors. The 4/3rds 16mp sensor is not bad however.
The NEX grip is smaller than the SLR styled cameras but much better then PEN, Panasonic GF and Nikon 1 cameras. Outside of SLRs it feels the best to me.
Finally, the Nikon 1 30-110mm is very small and it scores very good (but not great) in image quality.
The grip on the NEX series makes them feel good in the hand. The trouble for me is, the lenses are so large it takes the advantage of the compactness away. This is why the 4/3rds makes more sense. The Nikon 1 system is even smaller when you want to use the telephoto lens.