I have the feeling the camera will end up selling for less, awhile after it shows up in the stores. It all depends on how it sells initially compared to the Nikon and Sony. It might sell in the $1600-1800 range. Not bad for full frame.
Compare the higher ISO RAWs. The K30 has a really fine grain and retains high detail. Very interesting since it uses a Sony sensor.
DPR, The high ISO jpeg page shows the the competitive cameras still set with low ISO. At least it does on my computer.
That certain other camera test site has samples up with many showing the same scene at different ISOs. ISO 1600 is nearly free of noise. Great camera for those old primes that APS-C cameras made too telephoto.
The 5 image looks like a water color in the details. Obvious heavy NR. The 4s is nothing great either.
I'm glad someone's pushing the envelope. At this rate, it will be "SoNikon" as Canon will slip to a distant third. Perhaps Canon has something coming. Nothing much so far...
Good detail retention at high ISO without being too noisy. Probably as good as it gets at this price point.
I still think Pentax needs a more entry level model like Canon, Nikon and Sony. One can purchase a kit for $500 these days at any department store. The entry model is a gateway into a system for many folks.
magneto shot: let it go guys.... embrace the new dawn. typewriters are long gone....
True artists won't necessarily embrace modern technology the way gadget geeks do.
One thing I like about the NEX is the the grip. The thing that makes little sense is the small thin body, yet you need relatively large lenses unless you stick to pancakes exclusively. Lens size is where u4/3rds makes sense.
This is a good camera with a larger than typical P&S sensor. Much cleaner images than the 1/1.7" sensor compacts. I think a lot of people would be happy with it. I do have some nitpicks however...
Even at low ISO with the lens zoomed, noise does show. I applaud Sony for not trying to smear it away. The lens is a bit soft off axis. Sony should have used a 15 or 16mp sensor. This way the noise and lens would not be so challenging.
Lastly, an important thing to me, is that dynamically compressed audio manufacturers use on digicams. It makes background sounds thundering loud and live music impossible to record with any quality. At least have the ability to turn it off for natural sound quality.
Jpeg shooters will love the the high ISO performance. The already great D7000 is bested with the K30's better saturation, sharper detail and about the same noise at ISO 3200. If this camera lives up to its spec sheet, it will be the top pick. Pentax/Ricoh need to MARKET the darn thing!
IMHO, Pentax needs an entry level model unless the price on the K30 drops quite a bit. You can pick up a Canikon entry kit for around $500 these days. A good entry model will draw new shooters into your system.
I "get" what this camera is for, but I don't get the $180 MSPR. No video, even smaller than the usual small 1/3" sensor. Price should be $49 and blister packed, hanging next to the Vivitars.
Simon97: The grip on the NEX series makes them feel good in the hand. The trouble for me is, the lenses are so large it takes the advantage of the compactness away. This is why the 4/3rds makes more sense. The Nikon 1 system is even smaller when you want to use the telephoto lens.
Geez people... I wasn't commenting on the IQ. The NEX does have the advantage of APS-C sensors. The 4/3rds 16mp sensor is not bad however.
The NEX grip is smaller than the SLR styled cameras but much better then PEN, Panasonic GF and Nikon 1 cameras. Outside of SLRs it feels the best to me.
Finally, the Nikon 1 30-110mm is very small and it scores very good (but not great) in image quality.
The grip on the NEX series makes them feel good in the hand. The trouble for me is, the lenses are so large it takes the advantage of the compactness away. This is why the 4/3rds makes more sense. The Nikon 1 system is even smaller when you want to use the telephoto lens.
wootpile: Bleh review from dpreview again. Can't you guys even take focused studio shots any more?
If you look at focus scale (next to the black box with the colored puff balls), you can see that the focus is SPOT ON. Seems like they used a wider aperture. Not sure.
Looking at the RAWs, they are better than the 4/3rds cameras and a bit behind the NEX in the comparison. It makes me wonder why the jpegs look like a crappy P&S at higher ISOs. If it has NR control, turn it way down.
Where do you insert the mini DV tape?
Interesting technology. I can see this combine with perhaps a 2 or 3x zoom lens so that pixel count does not need to be reduced as much with zooming and lens quality not sacrificed as well. The images here are much better than the current crop of 16mp compacts that are just atrocious.
Dynamic range is my only concern. It won't be adopted by serious shooters with that highlight clipping issue.
Looks good. The lens is sharp in the center but struggles mightily near the edges to the point I'd call it unacceptable. Being a 7.5x zoom comparable to the 28-200mm zooms of the film days, you can't expect it to be perfect.
Resizing the images to 10 mp makes them usable, but there is still a lot of mottling around edges. The $350+ price is way to much to ask for such a lousy image quality. The 12 mp BSI sensor, while not great, was better then this.