logbi77: Is it just me or is the P7700 only 1 stop worse than the Nikon J1/ Sony RX100 in RAW?
Try putting the P7700 in ISO 800 and the J1/RX100 in ISO 1600.
To me, The J1 still has a finer grain structure at 1600 vs the P7700 at 800. The RX100 is about the same at 1600 to the P7700 at 800, but it has the resolution advantage. Sample it down to match and the RX100 looks way better.
The P7700 gets really noisy at 1600. Larger sensors are tough to beat when light gets low.
rhlpetrus: Excellent IQ, even in jpegs. Thanks for the test shots.
Agreed. If the lens holds up at other zoom settings and the camera is responsive, Nikon has a clear winner.
imbimmer: I actually think 1" sensor is a great idea but I simply doubt Aptina's ability based on what I see from the crappy output of the Nikon 1 series.
They have NOTHING to do with the RX100. Why do they keeping talking about other people's work AS IF they could also ahieve the same? :-)
Okay then, go see for yourself. Here is the link to the RAW samples...http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikonv1j1/18Select any 4/3rds camera and set ISO to 1600 and look at the dark areas such as the black box with the thread spools. The Nikon is much cleaner than the 12mp sensor and about a stop cleaner than the 16mp. I'd say the 16mp 4/3rds sensor has the advantage given the high res, but in a straight comparison the Aptina clearly has less noise.
Come again? Check the Nikon 1 review RAW samples and look at the shadow areas. It is far cleaner than the 4/3rds camera they compared it to.
Very good camera. Jpeg output with some bite, good fast lens and good video.
The only annoyances for me is the typical dynamically compressed audio and the price. You can get into cameras with larger sensors for the same to a little more money.
Almost sounds like he is saying, "We want Olympus for the medical division. To heck with their cameras."
RedDog Steve: A cease-fire in the pixel wars ?
Look at any of the images from these 1/2.3" 16 MP compacts and you can see that the MP race has gone too far.
The JPEGs are soft to avoid moire. You can have have no AA filter and sharp JPEG processing if you can tolerate moire in some patterns. Spatially separated color sensing is the limitation of the Bayer color array.
You might think Foveon is the answer. While it can work good at low ISOs, color accuracy is horrid at high ISOs.
Princess Leia: Most of the bad comments are just haters of Sony. They could not even brought themselves to tell the truth.
Something with the lens on that golf course shot. Seems to be fair at the edges, gets very blurry as you move in to the center and is sharp at the center. The lens seems to have a complex field curvature issue at that focal length would be my guess.
With cameras like the 645D out resolving the old scene and the DOF issues, I agree it was time.
It is an interesting concept. However, I think the product needed further development. It seems to have been released at "alpha" level. It needs to output much larger images for one thing.
Lytro should take this case design and put in an ordinary camera. For one, it can be weather sealed and toughened with a decent aperture lens and zoom range. Most of all, it is small and doesn't look like a camera. Perfect for discreet photography.
Dan Ortego: These last few additional photos are impressive, and I'm caring less about the price at this point. The photos of the Books, Bottles and 'The Big 4' are my favorites.
I was more impressed with the daylight shots. The bottles and Big 4" are ISO 400. Not a big deal for the sensor. The model shots and other higher ISO images were something of a let down. The Sony 16mp APS-C sensor gives you pretty much the same high ISO performance at much less cost.
After looking at some cameras using the Sony 16mp APS-C sensor high ISO shots, this camera does not seem all that impressive. The hi ISO shots are soft.
If you don't need the slight improvement of resolution and the stronger bokeh at the given (fixed) focal length of this camera, I'd look for a camera with an APS-C sensor. Get a NEX with a fixed lens for 1/4 the price.
I will say that Sony's 24mp APS-C sensor is disappointing in the high ISO department compared to the 16mp version and this FF sensor.
Nice lens and bokeh. You can't have isolating bokeh like that of a longer FL lens, but it is nice to have some bokeh in a small camera none the less.
Looks like Sony went soft with the jpegs to help hide moire issues.
Come on folks. It is a photo accessory. It is supposed to be priced ridiculously.
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Simon97: I like now that I can see the contents of a message when I hover over with the mouse. Not sure I like the big spacing of the threads. I could see more on a screen before. perhaps making the titles closer together would be better. Now sold on the blue text.
When I tried to make a space for a new paragraph, the cursor jumped too far. When I back spaced, it jumped up to a single space under paragraph, but jumped down again when I started typing. Perhaps a bug? I'm on latest FF browser.
Thanks for the tip. I also see I can set it back to yellow.
I like now that I can see the contents of a message when I hover over with the mouse. Not sure I like the big spacing of the threads. I could see more on a screen before. perhaps making the titles closer together would be better. Now sold on the blue text.
Glad to see that handy "lens widget" tool will still be used.
Some people brought up a good point. The number of lens samples needed. Perhaps DXO already does this, I don't know. It sure would be helpful to know the deviation.
Daylight shots are actually clear and detailed. Makes me wonder why manufacturers of the compact cameras went to 16MP with their soft output, noisy shadows and mottling around details. No wonder people would rather just use a smart phone.
What was wrong with decent 10mp sensors or even the 12mp BSI sensors that were half decent in compacts? Manufacturers you killed the compact market on your own.
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