I have witnessed Art. What a beautiful technological showcase, indeed.
T3: I remember there was a large group of people on these forums who were adamant that large high resolution sensors with *smaller* pixels (as opposed to larger pixels) would yield better low-light image quality. Wonder where those people are now.
I for a one would always prefer signal purity, integrity and naturality over artificial edge definition, which is achievable with advanced NR processing.
Micro-optoelectronics physics has not changed, with a given technology and generation, larger pixels can collect also relatively more photons. But I do admit this is a complex question in real circumstances.
Denton Taylor: "There are a lot of wannabe fashion and beauty photographers"
I stopped reading there. Why insult people that comprise a large part of your audience?
This is not my fight, but… Just unfortunate bad wording; most likely not directly meant to insult anyone.
People who know their stuff, especially artists, can be a bit harsh when they see a threat devaluing the Art they embrace and factually live in. Read the rest of it and take what you see important and worthwhile for your photographic process.
Ben O Connor: Dear dpreview, would you please make review of Pentad 645D, which is also another 40 megapixel camera.
You can review its fotographic & video capabilities to show us difference. If there is any. They are both 40 mpx right ? Sorry Nokia has 1 more of it...
One will need deep pockets for that one though, quite literally.
Petrogel: Now makes sense why Nokia is barking for 49mp sensored "smartphone"'Bond-rating agencies took note and promptly downgraded Nokia's debt to junk status,
The question is not about qualities of reality, it is about the funniness based on reality and its objectiveness thereof.
So isn't funniness then objective when it is based on reality?
rondhamalam: Nokia really needs Android.
Symbian is struggling and Microsoft doesn't support Nokia either.
Sales slumped using Microsoft on smartphones and Symbian on smaller phones:http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/07/15/nokia-phone-pricecut-idINL2E8IF2MI20120715
Go Android, like Sony did
@Sergey BorachevI think you are seeing Nokia's competitors' strengths as Nokia's weaknesses. Apple's admirable success has been build on their strong lifestyle brand image and carefully segmented marketing starting from their strong follower base with brand loyalty beyond explanation. Android has been so successful mainly because of its licensing scheme which has created strong market presence through a plethora of devices.
What comes to Microsoft WP, I believe the jury is still out there. By the end of next year and with Windows 8 family we will be wiser to make conclusions. Nokia has other plans should WP strategy turn out to be a let down, no specifics has been published in this regard.
Obviously you didn't understand what was meant, here is an example: I find it funny when a friend tells me that when he was doing shopping some other customer in the shop thought he was a sales person and started to explain his specific needs to my friend.
But I do recognise that sense of humour is a personal thing reflecting cultural background, upbringing and personality.
@PetrogelWell that's a good one, especially because it's true. But then again, I believe the best jokes usually are.
Yes, I have no problem with being objective. Maybe you could try that too, for a change?
That is a very stupid thing to say, but nothing new from you; more entertainment to come, I'm afraid?
You do realise that resource hungry R&D for PureView imager ASIC and DSP technology was initiated when Nokia was indisputably the leader of telecommunications equipment sector, don't you? That is many years ago, long before the present struggle against sliding market share.
Bram de Mooij: Is this to show sound / video quality or is it to show the lack of it ?Video is nice for a phone. Sound is crap, as it always is with phones.
@Petrogel"if you want to turn it politically (like your friend virvatulet wanted to talk about English grammar on a previous article that's O.K with me)"
How twisted can your memory be, Petrogel? You were the one who started correcting another writer's (Sir_bazz) grammar in a self-absorbed and incorrect way still, so I just nicely pointed out that you were wrong.
BTW, this idea about grunge towards Finland for being so stringent has crossed my mind also. But remember, we agreed on the conditions and Greece got a financial support plan, now it's up to you to get your economy in balance. Show firm determination to do so and surely the rest of the Europe will stand by you.
rondhamalam: If only it has ANDROID ..........................
Symbian is dead !!!
Wait for next generation of pureview Nokia 809
@ PetrogelDo you have any idea how many Symbian based smartphones have been sold worldwide?
Calling something DOA that has historically powered the largest number of smartphones ever and still is powering a considerable amount of them just goes to underline the fact that you are a man on a mission. And a bitter mission that is.
Dougbm_2: Impressive. Maybe they should give up on phones and switch to cameras?
How so? They do excel at both areas; Nokia's biggest problem has been their rather dull and stalled brand image for several years now. Not their products that much, of course constant improvement is needed with every factor.
If you compare to Apple's admirable success, it has been build on its impeccable lifestyle brand image and carefully selected target segments for their marketing. Apple's marketing machine is arguably the best in the industry, but I think nothing can last forever, Nokia will catch the ball.
Petrogel: Guys you are really funny . For 600+ euros you can buy a REAL camera, AND NOT THIS TOY CAMERA, i'm not talking about the phone (there is nothing to say) (once you go Symbian you never want to even hear anything about it ) !!!!!
@ PetrogelOnce again you are wrong, in an all inclusive way that is. Why bother to continue? You don't like Nokia, which is fine; you have something to criticize, that's fine too, but get your facts right.
You are right about one thing though i.e. that you seem arrogant. Not because you would be so good at it, more of that you seem to believe that you were. The correct grammar is as Sir_bazz wrote: there's plenty of people. It is a non-standard form when used with apostrophe indicated contraction, an exception or idiom if you will.
The Nokia 808 sensor size is on the same regiment with Nikon 1 CX, not so with Canon G1 X, he clearly had a mix-up there.
The camera functionality is tightly integrated into the RTOS, it is not a completely separate utility with its own CPU and DSP (there is an image pipeline DSP), and therefore you are wrong about the influence of OS.
And finally, isn't it great that you don't have to buy one and that I have already ordered one? We both benefit from the freedom of choice, don't we?
Actually, using a few OS in different products is not unheard-of e.g. Samsung and HTC do that too. There are also technical reasons for doing so, in the case of Nokia 808 one of the reasons is that PureView R&D was started long before Nokia decided to concentrate its efforts towards Microsoft's WP OS. Eventually this technology will find its way to WP powered phones too, but it will take time.
But I already have a real camera and there is REALLY NOTHING WRONG WITH these latest versions of SYMBIAN (not that there relatively would have been with the earlier ones to boot, at least if you are a tech savvy user in the slightest degree.) Even my old aunt doesn’t have a problem with it, she still can read the user’s manual and learn, you see.
600€ is reasonable price for this extraordinary digital convergence device. But thank you for your input and be happy with whatever meets your needs, Nokia 808 PureView does the trick for me.
CameraLabTester: There is just so much limited QUALITY that one can cram into a typical1/2.3" (6.17 x 4.55 mm) SENSOR that camera companies use (Canon, Nikon, Sony, Olympus, Panasonic, Samsung, etc)
The selling points are then waged on features, menus, bells and woots.
For a sensor size of 1/2.3" (6.17 x 4.55 mm), the best balance is just 5 to 7 Mp!
But because camera companies have zombied buyers into thinking more Mps is more good, they don't DARE do a 5 or 7 Mp modern camera.
A 5 Mp or 7 Mp P&S with a 1/2.3" (6.17 x 4.55 mm) sensor can set outstanding standards, but they won't do this... (maybe Leica, because they think OUTSIDE the mirror box...)
Resolution has its place and use, but in my opinion we have had enough resolution with P&S cameras for years now. Most average Joes I know seldom if ever print larger than 10 cm x 13 (15) cm and most pro image labs print those with 300 ppi native resolution; with a Bayer CFA camera one needs only appr. 7 MP to reach perfect colour resolution and 2 MP for normal colour resolution (and full luminance resolution).
It's time to have better DR, colour and lower noise, without more noise reduction processing. Better video, especially in low light conditions, would be nice too.
Image sensor manufacturers are struggling to keep the same basic characteristics on a per unit area basis when increasing the pixel count or density, if you will. This fact is on hand in almost all occasions when a new sensor is marketed to camera manufacturers.
To achieve this with every new generation they have been able to increase the relative size of the photodiode and the pixel aperture area i.e. light gathering efficiency by miniaturizing the circuitry and optimising microlens condensing ability. Also some compromises have been made with the Bayer CFA in order to increase its transmittance which yields lower colour saturation and thus compromises colour purity/noise in final image.
The question has always been that is this development the best compromise and is the somehow chosen base quality level good enough? The basic characteristics have not reached their theoretical limits, should they do so only then increasing resolution wouldn't compromise other image quality metrics.