Curious to see what they did here. If it draws similar to 50 Art, as seems to be the case with the last Art the 24-35/2, and renders OOF nice, it will be magical. And if they managed to get it corrected for astrophotography or landscape it could be a very special (though specialist) lens.
HSway: I just learned he camera has a focal plane shutter and no implementation of an electronic one. It is a solid mass body and primarily will be used hand-held. Still, with the telephotos I would not like it and not mentioning the use on a tripod. A lot will depend on the actual execution in this Leica body. And on how well the IS work syncs in regard to probable vibrations. In general, there is a need to get rid of the mechanical shutters as a source of vibrations.Simplifications and gross generalisations aren’t the way to find out. It has to be tested by those that are interested in the issue. E.g., I am just about to critically test d600/70-200/4 VR combination on tripod, only waiting for a specific lighting conditions (maybe Sunday). I get zero vibration with 50 Art and my setup (shooting dust fibre at MFD).
We will probably disagree on the shutter. Otherwise I don’t see the lenses as big at all for their specification, incl. the IS. I think they will be fantastic. The shape of the camera may overstate durability and reliability a tad but that is the style of the minimal simplified German design that has its appeal and is different. Sure one needs to hold it to say more.
Not quite so:) But yeah, at this point the electronic front curtain is the way to go. I actually think that the relatively easy ways to deal with the vibrations is one of the biggest benefits of the ML.
I just learned he camera has a focal plane shutter and no implementation of an electronic one. It is a solid mass body and primarily will be used hand-held. Still, with the telephotos I would not like it and not mentioning the use on a tripod. A lot will depend on the actual execution in this Leica body. And on how well the IS work syncs in regard to probable vibrations. In general, there is a need to get rid of the mechanical shutters as a source of vibrations.Simplifications and gross generalisations aren’t the way to find out. It has to be tested by those that are interested in the issue. E.g., I am just about to critically test d600/70-200/4 VR combination on tripod, only waiting for a specific lighting conditions (maybe Sunday). I get zero vibration with 50 Art and my setup (shooting dust fibre at MFD).
HSway: There is a good market for it. It doesn’t need to be extremely compact. Don't know why people think it has to. The zooms 24-90mm/2.8-4 and 90-280mm/2.8-4 look gorgeous.. extremely useful. With the 50mm f/1.4, I think they couldn’t have started better.
IR says that 50/1.4 will have IS but it can be a typo. You can also wait for the Noctilux 50/1 to upgrade;)I see one problem, though. The camera has a focal plane shutter and no electronic version implemented.
Frank_BR: Camera Size Comparison------------------------------
Leica SL + 24-90mm vs Sony A7II + 24-70mmhttp://camerasize.com/compact/#639.496,579.445,da,t
Leica SL + 50mm vs Sony A7II + 55mm http://camerasize.com/compact/#639.497,579.395,da,t
Different zooms and different primes.
There is a good market for it. It doesn’t need to be extremely compact. Don't know why people think it has to. The zooms 24-90mm/2.8-4 and 90-280mm/2.8-4 look gorgeous.. extremely useful. With the 50mm f/1.4, I think they couldn’t have started better.
Very enjoyable series, thank you.I don’t recall seeing a better shot winning a competition.
baggy1: The 35mm looks interesting,the sort of lens I might buy if the price is reasonable.I think the Nikon version is too light & plasticky.But why have they made a 45mm? just to be different from a 50mm?
I know of two measurements of real FL for the Sigma lens - 48 and 49.5mm. Often a 50 mil lens is a tad longer than 50mm. 45mm is a useful differentiation - a bit wider 50. As is the combination with the VC. Ultimately it's the whole package that will matter.
Yeah, the lossless compression is hopefully only a matter of time for Sony.
El. front-curtain shutter for use with MLU mode for tripod work will hopefully appear in all Nikon cameras. Well done for D810 (now it could also have that little, funny, sneezed at IR remote support built in).
I would say that Sony’s attention to utilising potential of the theoretical resolution sorting out the mechanical issues with the shutter once again shows the company’s leading role in Camera innovations. People are investing in (very) expensive tools to extract maximum of this potential but they can get only so far - with the shutter system design that is hampering it.
..."'good' photographer is one that pushes the physical boundaries, hikes farther, climbs higher, suffers harsher conditions, endures pain – all to get to a unique location and be one of the first to shoot it."
I never heard such a suggestion but yes, it’s a total nonsense. Similar for many times shot locations or views/subjects. First is the shot that matters, then a long gap, then another gap and then maybe some other things (I don’t have time to think about).
RX100 concept and potential was exciting and making sense from the start. It's one of those that today is copied by other manufactures in their versions.One petty remark: MLU and EFC shutter in DSLRs is not a workaround, it's a solution. Our views or preference of one concept over the other is another matter.
As usual, Sony don’t mess around with something they know people actually want. And it seems to cause a sensation, which says something about a common experience in this field. Hopefully Nikon work further on the shutter implementations and also their EFC is a new norm for all cameras. After all, those megapixels, often overhyped, need to be supported by adequate tech for use of the potential. it could also look like doing things from the wrong end. and worse, with no clear or real intent.
Looks like DSLRs for stills. This segment still doesn’t have AF tune? I don’t need to look at the d5500 to know that Canon is not alone. Part of marketing of companies from this part of the world is to overlook ostentatiously the competition you really don’t like as if it didn’t exist. Unfortunately majority of the customers come from Europe, US and other parts of the world where people don’t get nor do they share such attitudes and can only hardly adopt such a suggestion for themselves. If the companies think that would be possible (for a customer).That way the weak spots of their products are made glaring omissions that contrast with better solutions of the competition. Having heads in the sand as a part of strategy will work for some time to a certain extent but will fail as a permanent measure. The point is that some things start to look like permanent.
falconeyes: The problem of shutter-induced blur in VR systems has a long history.
Interesting, vendors (Nikon, Sony, Canon, Olympus, Pentax) don't more seriously test their products against it.
Here you find an in-depth study of the same problem for the Pentax K-7 camera which actually got translated to Japansese to be discussed in the engineering dep.-> http://www.falklumo.com/lumolabs/articles/k7shutter/index.html
Pentax eventually solved the issue for their K-5 update.
Quiet mode on Nikon cameras such as d7000 and d600 gives already known advantage particularly at lower s. speeds (and VR on). I am not the only one who noticed it, nor the first one; number of tests, camera and lens combinations have shown the positive effect the Q mode has where the mirror movement is slowed down followed with a pause as actuation is separated into more distinct phases. There is less blur caused by mirror vibrations (and less negative interaction with VR).
The suggestion presented earlier by dpreview to add a delay after the mirror is up and couple it with EFC seems about the only complete solution to get rid of the vibrations coming from both the mirror and the mechanical shutter operation in SLR camera for handheld use. Options for the delay would be useful, e.g., the shortest one - effective most of the time (if that was not covered by default already) and a longer one.
I am using the 60mm on NEX 6. Nice little lens and optically excellent. I think what makes it a bit special, at least for APS-C, is that it is a compact, well done f2.8 90mm equivalent that’s available to everyone.The Art designation is unusual when you think that the Art series is to be about 'no compromise design' rather than other considerations which typically means a faster lens. Look and manual touch could be better but for the price there is nothing wrong with it (also not very Art). It feels well made.
Excellent shot and great winner.
So my little summary is that these results suggest that at this s. speed VR doesn’t reduce the shake but introduces it.
This is the same result as your test done on tripod is showing (http://www.dpreview.com/previews/nikon-d810/10). Although unlike here you didn’t pick up on the differences for VR on/off w/EFC there.
Maybe I wouldn’t expect the VR to behave the same or very similar on tripod (collar mount and camera mounted) compared to when hand-held. I can imagine a whole range of specific changes reflected into the VR’s work and the results these two different support methods are likely to introduce. But it apparently is the case and your results support this idea strongly which is what matters.
The test with the lens on tripod is also useful as it is showing shutter induced shake and its cancelation when EFC is used (at the typical s.speeds @200mm) including VR on which again determines the shutter induced vibration/shift as the culprit.
My 70-200/4 VR on D600 is not affected by the smear caused by out of sync VR action seen with Nikkor 300/4 VR at the particular s. speed and cameras and which appears to be a very distinct issue.
However I follow carefully your findings with regard to Optical Stabilisation and its deteriorating effects at critical s. speeds as these prove to be just those useful s. speeds the VR/IS function is used for. This is brilliant work you are doing for us. I absolutely support the wider implementation of the EFC. And its wide use in all Nikon DSLRs. In fact, I think these are necessary steps and that Nikon, after the start of certain implementation of EFC in D810, will continue this direction.