Only DNG RAW after Adobe arrogance demonstration? No, thank you.
To say that you don't have plans to make something at any point in the future is not the same as to say that you certainly will not do it.
I don't speak English but sorry, this is rethoric no matter the lenguage you use.
I say it once and I say it again, those Adobe words are weak, they lack caracter and commitment.
Remember Adobe, you are not talking to the UN, you are talking to the mob.
Lee Jay: "Basically we have no plans to make Lightroom subscription-only at any point in the future. We have plans to make Lightroom available in its current form pretty much indefinitely."
Despite the clarity of this statement, the tin-foil hatters are out in full-force. Just goes to show how hated the CC model is - it can even turn ordinarily-rational people into conspiracy-theorists.
I don't speak English but sorry, this is rethoric no matter the lenguage you use.
Those Adobe words are weak, they lack caracter and commitment.
It is no about to put yourself a tin-foil hat nor is to go blindfolded because you want Adobe so bad.
Eventually this post will be left behind as happened with the post denouncing the intentions of nikon (achieved) of not supplying critical repair parts to repair shops that do not pay the amount of money required to be authorized workshop. This was a major setback for consumers, and weighs just now that Nikon cameras are having some quality control problems (cameras waiting long for be serviced by Nikon).
Anyway, back to the subject, one of the few things we can do is vote with our wallets as well several have said here. For my part, not a single penny will go to Adobe, until they give up their new intentions.
Adobe is amongst the first to enter in the rented software move. If they have success, every other company will go to do the same. We can not concede in this.
I don't want to leave adobe, but if they can not offer me the possibility of "perpetual" licenses then I will develop my photos with the camera propietary software if that is the last choice.
I can not let grow my slavery as consumer. Period.
Well, adobe to look like I'm not against you here as I give you an idea: once in the cloud, if the rental system does still not work at all from the buisnes perspective, you can start introducing advertising in the "art board" and in the "work space".
What I concern the most is the " I can do whatever I want because everybody is tied to me" actitud.
Adobe, the users have helped you to develop your software and certainly we are ready any time soon to do it again but with other software company.
You are taking away from me all the hard earned knowledge when you force me to go on the rented service bulls... So right now, I don't have nothing to loose.
Clouds is not for people who have his feets on the earth.
Primrose Wood: Most of the students I know pirate Adobe products. They don't like doing it but feel they have little choice. I have always thought Adobe could have done much more to prevent this, had they wanted to. Well, now they are going to do it and my guess is that it will be great news for Adobe competitors, both commercial, like Corel, and non-commercial, like Gimp and Inkscape. So from this standpoint, I welcome Adobe's decision to discontinue the anti-competitive and anti-social policy of encouraging piracy. I look forward to the open source competitors giving Adobe a run, as Android is doing to IoS. I also hope Adobe enter a period of long-term decline. They have never been a lovable company. I hope they stop growing and die slowly and quietly, like Microsoft.
This move does not nothing to do with anti- piracy, they clearly point it out, so the relation Adobe- pirates will be remain the same.
docdibble: Long time Professional print and motion designer/animator. PS user since 1.0 but more After Effects these days. I keep updated (CS6) primarily because I need to collaborate with others in the pipeline, but also because I generally like Adobe's offerings and their rich plugin ecosystem. Money is not the main criteria for me, in fact, in my situation the Cloud would be cheaper.
Deal breaker for me is that under this system I could lose access to my own intellectual property. I know I don't own, but rather lease, my software. But what I create with that software, even if it is saved in one of Adobe's propriety file formats, is mine. Not Adobe's.
That they would even raise the specter of such a thing (locking me out of my own files for any reason) tells me all I need to know. Moving to Adobe alternatives will be a major hassle. And ironically, unless they hadn't put my livelihood in jeopardy, I would probably never do it.
They know that all ready... they know that.We give them too much power.
djsphynx: For those who feel comfortable with LR + PS alternative, be warned.
Imagine a scenario in 2 years time where Adobe says "The last 12 months of development was brutal. And there were results we were not happy with. We have decided to focus on the CC LR product." Sounds familiar? It should, it's what they said about CS PS.
So regardless of the fact that they've said "ya, we'll keep CS LR going, but make CC LR better", be warned before you commit more and more to their catalogues etc.
Fool me once...
putting on standby my LR upgrade and looking forward to corel.
Men, this is not paranoia... this is punishment.
DaveBowman: Thinks stinks of an Adobe 'sponsored' poll. The cage has been well and truly rattled.
Sadly you are possible right. Any way they will read our opinions and points of view, they will know that we acknowledge they are showing us his teeth, we all ( mostly) are quite aware of that.
Kinematic Digit: I wonder how many people would complain if you could use a new Nikon D800E, Nikon D4, Canon 1Dx or a Canon 5Dmk3 for $19 a month and then after a year decided to return it?
This price point is the bait. Once you bite it you are done. And certainly you can rent a camera, please go and do it for about a year and after that come here to tell us about the health of your checking account. Absurdity beside, you can always buy your things with the credit card: you get what you want and pay the loan, keeping your power of decision over the market. Once hooked by adobe renting system (without any competition) what do you think they will ofer you in the short term, in the long term?
What I concern the most is the consumer loosing his power. This online software rented service is a total unacceptable situation. Software has been treated in a special way by the copyrights laws all over the world, they are not treated like works of inttelect, like art and literature, nor like a industrial property. Right now adobe see the fissure and take advantage, what will be able to do in the future when we are trapped in their pen bleating adobeeheeeheee, adobeeheeeheee? I am a Lightroom user and when I see my neighbor's beard burn, mine get soaked.
Joohan: I really don't understand the anger. I am a hobbyist and I could never before justify to buy software for several 100 $ . With the subscription model I can subscribe to a lot of software for just one month where I have time to create, and I can try out different kinds of applications in my creativity. I think that it is the professionals who cries out because they have paid expensive licenses before and now they are not benefitting from it any more.
Sir, You are loosing the poin here. If you rent instead of buy the software you will be trapped in a situation where you are loosed your consumer power. You'll be stacked in very vulnerable position in reference to your software suministrator. Think in the phone service, cable tv, etc. And in this case is even worst due to the Fact that there is no real competition to adobe as a hole sistem of software. Sorry for my English.
Adam Filipowicz: man you folks are a bunch of babies.. its still cheap..considering what you get..its like $1 a day.. for everything.. always updated.. thats cheap.. how much do you spend a day.. driving, drinking coffee?, buying music, or on your cell phone.. i rely on adobe for almost everything i do.. (maxon and MS Office 365) I love the subscription model.. i hope Maxon does the same with Cinema 4D Studio
they don´t give any choice they are forcing us to go out:
You are in a ship Paris to New York suddenly the captain change the way to Sao Paulo
You: -sir you are forcing me to go to Sao Paulo-Captain: -Oh, no, nobody is forcing you, you are free to jump to the sea-
Is not necessary that you replay what adobe have all ready said to us.
I am not against adobe I am against the online sofware renting trend. Software not being a product any more, but a sevice.
And I am not crying, i am exercising my right to dissent.
Mark Schretlen: I find it odd that Adobe "expected a higher degree of this type of reaction from the hobbyist photographic community", yet the number one new feature of Photoshop CC is "Camera Shake Reduction" which is a feature that would likely be needed by a newbie photo hobbyist, not a professional. This signals the beginning of the end for Adobe IMHO.
He seem a little bit messed up.
I wonder how is the relation pro photographer to hobbyist photographer, about 20 to 1?
Other than money: owning over renting. That is Liberty over slavery! and beside, it will work offline, yes... about less than a year:
"Monthly subscribers can go for as long as 30 days without connecting to the Internet for license validation. Users with an annual commitment can go for as long as 99 days."
Sosua: I don't see the major issue with this, given the crazy cost (and consistently diminishing need by most casual photographers) of full blown Photoshop.
Presuming of course, you are all paying full price for the product.
From a professional photography and business perspective a subscription of $19 per month isn't a bad way to go, no?
The issue seems to be that Adobe will not let you own a product anymore, instead you will be forced to pay for a service. You will be forced by the "up grade ditactorship". Brief, you are losing your freedom, your liberty to decide and your right to own, under the dependency of rent.
leomartinez: The real discussion here is not if you get access to the program thru the cloud, thru a cd or whatever, the real problem here is that adobe is forcing us to rent the software instead of just letting us buy the darn thing.
They are trying to transform PS and etc, in a service, rather than a product or merchandise.
Yes, you right thankfully. I have refreshed the main point because it seemed lost from some of the last comments.
The real discussion here is not if you get access to the program thru the cloud, thru a cd or whatever, the real problem here is that adobe is forcing us to rent the software instead of just letting us buy the darn thing.
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