Ivan Lietaert: I have been using the V1 for almost a year now. I bought it when the price came down after the V2 was announced.
It is my favourite walk around camera (I also own a 550D and a GH3), for family outings and even the more creative work.
The camera is very intuitive and I never regret the lack of buttons. It basically is a camera that allows to forget about any technicalities and completely focus on the subject, the environment and the action going on around me. And because it is so lightning fast and responsive, I seldom miss a shot.
But hey, some people care about pictures, while others care about specs. I respect both.
How do you find the unlockable mode dial?
Antonio Mario Magalhaes: Richard,
I believe you missed the point of the System 1 in general, and the Vx in particular. Your starting points are flawed:
- "(...) the 1 System appeared to be aimed at what would, in the US, be called the 'Soccer Mom' crowd."Nope. The simpler models (Jx...) perhaps; V1 was aimed at a household with a DSLR and where there would be people (the DSLR owner/spouse) who like to travel light but still take tougher shots as needed.
- "What didn't seem ... convincing was the more expensive 1 V1"Wrong. The V1 was instantly seen by wildlife/sports shooters as having a tremendous potential.
- "the V3 (is not) focused on enthusiast use."You're right!! Read Nikon's V3 announcement. It's aimed at the DSLR owner who doesn't want to lug equipment around AND could use the V3 power (20fps, 60fps w/o AF, etc, etc).
- "it rarely makes sense to (use the FT-1 adapter)"Wrong again! It was THE thing to make sense for wildlife shooters.
-"lenses don't yet exist"V3 + 70-300mm: amazing potential!
Yes, I know it's still cheaper than the 7100 with a FX lens, and it should be considering how much less glass and mirrors there are. But it should have been cheaper still, and they shouldn't have added irritating changes / deleted good ones. Technology is supposed to bring prices down, that's what happens with everything else in the electronics arena. For some reason Nikon seems to think it should get more expensive, and that's why their N sales are terrible... Seriously, all it will take is for another company like Fuji to bring out a nice long lens and fill a few other holes, then bring their prices down a little bit, and they will destroy Nikon, because they seem to know how to actually build a mirrorless camera.
Black Box: Opinions are like... you know how the metaphor goes. And, just like the metaphor, this particular opinion should have been kept well hidden and only accessible to your doctor. It's SO (stereo)typical American. "We don't understand it, and that's why it's wrong". USA don't like MILCs. For you "bigger is better". You "don't get" MILCs while the whole world loves them.
MILCs are aimed at people who don't want to fiddle with buttons and rings every time they take a photo. Those who want their cameras compact. Those who rightfully think they'll look ridiculous walking around Paris or Tokyo bedangled with photo equipment. All of this makes sense to anyone who has at least once looked at the globe and thought, DAYEM, that's a big world!
Americans live and think in templates and cliches. A truck should have a 5.7L engine. A real man should have a BBQ grill. A serious camera should be big.
Trying to explain how wrong you are is useless - if you haven't understood by now, you never will.
"Opinions are like..."
And then you proceed to give yours.
"MILCs are aimed at people who don't want to fiddle with buttons and rings"
Really? I thought they are aimed at DSLR users who want a smaller package but still maintain the sensor size and overall experience of shooting with a DSLR. They are definitely getting better and closer to DSLR's but not quite there yet in terms of performance. Nikon certainly isn't leading the pack.
joeyv: Nikon sells it's low end dslrs to "soccer moms." Statistics show that, in the US, this market segment actually prefers dslrs to mirrorless.The V3 is for professionals and enthusiasts who already own Nikon dslrs. It's a perfect compliment to dslrs,as: 1.) it takes existing lenses via Ft1 adaptor 2.) It adds capability to dslr users because of its speed and reach.Nice as the other mirrorless cameras are (A7, OM-D), it doesn't add anything except smaller size, to current dslr owners. In fact, they all fall short in one way or another. The Nikon 1 series will always be the speed king and will have the longest reach. In the near future, as sensors evolve, IQ will improve to a point where the diff. bet. 1" & micro 4/3 sensors will not be so meaningful anymore. Just like dx and ff now are both very capable low light tools.In effect, Nikon has produced a mirrorless camera that doesn't compete w/ its DSLR line while still attracting a specialized group of photographers.
Joey I agree. The question is, how many years will we have to wait? Why couldn't they do it right the first time? Why do they leave such a sour taste in my mouth from their continual efforts to milk me of as much money as they can by only offering sub-par systems that could easily be so much better, for inflated prices? If they are trying to not cannibalize DSLR sales, then where is the D400?
"[the FT-1] was THE thing to make sense for wildlife shooters."- well as a user I do not appreciate Nikon intentionally crippling the performance by only allowing center focus, in order to not caniabalize their DSLR sales. Yes, the 1 system works, but it could have been so much better.
The V3 + 70-300 is a great combo, with some limitations that could have been avoided. For $2200. Plus at least $100 for new cards, plus at least $60 for additional batteries, plus $20 for aftermarket Watson charger. Way too much money.
"The simpler models (Jx...) perhaps; V1 was aimed at a household with a DSLR"- but Nikon seemed to go out of its way to intentionally make it not handle like a mini DSLR and they still haven't really fixed that with the V3. They didn't want to hurt their DSLR so they brought forth this frankenstein that doesn't make much sense at all.
"The V1 was instantly seen by wildlife/sports shooters as having a tremendous potential"- yes, POTENTIAL. It's incredibly frustrating to see what the V;s COULD have been if they had actually designed with the photographer in mind.
"It's aimed at the DSLR owner who doesn't want to lug equipment around"- yes, it's a good step but misses the mark in many ways. But way to expensive, and introduces new battery and new card.
C-GREEN: I don't normally do this but after DPReview came out with this I felt the need to say something. What I don't understand is why all the complaining. I used to come to DPR for information and knowledge but recently all I here is griping and complaining!! If the new V3 is not the camera for you then don't buy it!! When i'm in the grocery store shopping and I see that one cereal cost more than the other I don't write a blog about it. I get the cereal I want and that's it. Get a grip guys "please"! If you think it's over priced or under valued then again don't buy it!!
C-GREEN, my issue is I have invested in a lot of Nikon glass, with the expectation that their cameras would evolve nicely. But they aren't really, their mirrorless basically stalled. Furthermore, Nikon intentionally cripples functions on the FT-1 adapter that make using my existing long lenses for wildlife more difficult. Then they come out with this ridiculously priced $1000 70-300. Sorry, but Nikon has terrible customer relations. They don't view their customers as business partners, they view us as wallets to be manipulated by some CEO sitting in an office tower in Japan. They want to tell their customers what they want, rather than give them what they want. This is actually what they have said. You are right, we will just move to another system. I see nothing that will ever justify me giving Nikon another cent. Maybe an amazing new D400 might but that is one camera they seem to be intentionally withholding from customers, for some bizarre unknown suicidal reason.
Wow that 70-300 isn't much lighter than the FX version. But it's smaller. Maybe it has more metal in it and is stronger?
I admit, I bought a V1, to use with my existing long Nikon lenses for wildlife etc. I actually bought 2, the second one came a year or two later. I use the other one with the 10-30 because it's small for out in the wilderness. I hate big cameras. Dynamic range isn't good, there's poor subject OOF isolation, changing exposure compensation is the most irritating thing I've ever seen on a camera. But it works.
I basically bought them because of my existing lens set, and because the EL-15 battery is also compatible with my D7000, so I can save some $$ and weight there.
Would I buy one if I wasn't already invested in Nikon? Very unlikely with the new offerings from other companies like Fuji. The only way I justified buying my two V1's was because I got the first one on that crazy firesale which was like half the original price. The second one I bought as a return, but it was basically brand new, for less than half the original price. I would never buy a V3 at the price they are asking.
cont'd Heck, they could hire me and I'd advise them on how to make an awesome ergonomic camera that would outsell all the others, simply because it's designed by someone whoa actually ... gasp! .... shoots with a camera! It's not rocket science but they generally refuse to listen, except the more progressive companies like Fuji that will soon be nipping at Nikon's heels. There is really no excuse for these poor ergonomics. They should have been sorted out 10-15 years ago when digital cameras became mainstream and there, bam, you have it. No need to change ergonomics, just improve sensor and AF performance, and video. To be fair, they are generally improving, but slowly. Look what Gopro did, simply because it was open to what the customer wanted. Of course it would be more difficult for a company to come in and sweep the interchangeable lens market like that because they'd also have to make all the lenses. But one of the existing companies like Fuji could do this.
How else would camera makers get the message if we didn't complain? They should be thanking us, we are helping them to avoid bankruptcy by making better cameras, as smart phones will kill their sales. Many will go bankrupt anyways. These are not cheap items, we deserve better in this day and age. And the ergonomic problems continue on year after year, they just don't seem to get it. It's not like every new sensor technology requires a different ergonomic. cont'd
stromaroma: The irony is that Americans actually believe they have freedom... "One World", yeah right, this building is a great way to stick it in the face of the rest of the world that the Wall Street bankers enslave the world via the One Bank.
The bankers took over in 1913 when the Federal Reserve was created. That's what the bankers want, "One World" to enslave.
America is not a democracy, that is a facade to present the appearance that you actually have some choice in how your country is managed. You have a 2 party dictatorship. You do have some local municipal democracy though.
I always get a kick out of people trying to defend their slavery and telling themselves that they live in democracy. It's kind of like the Stockholm Syndrome.
Sure but they could have chosen a better location for a building purportedly celebrating "freedom" than ground zero for the global debt slavery racketeering cartel, which is now much more powerful than it was in 2001.
The irony is that Americans actually believe they have freedom... "One World", yeah right, this building is a great way to stick it in the face of the rest of the world that the Wall Street bankers enslave the world via the One Bank.
Lightweight003: Go back to sleep Nikon!!! - OR start getting INOVATIVE - AND giving value-for -money please. STOP doing silly little upgrades - especially to your Consumer range of DSLRs, try incorporating Vari-angle screens on at least the D7000 range, - AND perhaps on the D3000 range; - NOT just on the D5000 range. DONT make the bodies any smaller; we want a DSLR that we can see & hold comfortable; - those who want smaller cameras will buy compacts or CSC cameras. Sony is being INOVATIVE, so is Olympus; - you USED TO BE.
I want smaller. Nikon DSLR's are way too big and I will never buy another. The N1's are more like toys, so that means I won't be buying another Nikon product. I like what Fujifilm is doing...
TakenUserName: Has the FAA relaxed the rules on this yet? While they allow remote control helicopters and gyrocopters for recreational/sport use, they grounded all others when used commercially. I know several real estate photographers who posted ariel photos of homes for sale and suddenly got a visit from the FAA., and effectively closed that portion of their business. They were going to make "rules" but were absurd...like a full helicopter's license. They also made exceptions (or special permits) for government agencies so now seeing police departments with ariel drones of similat design.
Soon they'll ban kites. Oh wait, they already do that in Afghanistan.
stromaroma: Looks like a nice camera but I probably won't buy it. I have a D300 and D7000 and no need for FX. The D400 may interest me though, for wildlife. My D300 is so loud it scares away wildlife, that's gotta change. Plus video would be nice.
What I am disappointed about with Nikon though is its entry level approach to the N1 series. As a rep in Britain said months ago, "We want enthusiasts and pros to be buying our DSLR's". Well Nikon, why don't you give your customers what they want instead of telling them what they want? Has it not occurred to you that many pro's don't want to lug around DSLR's all the time?
"Try Prayer to overcome the laws of physics "
Why? The problems with the N1 series have nothing to do with physics, it's poor user interface and not gearing the controls towards people who actually want to do things with the cameras besides point and shoot.
I agree though, the laws of physics will eventually likely win out and limit what is possible with a small sensor.
Although, maybe we will see mirrorless electronic cameras go beyond what we thought possible by taking multiple shots at 1/20,000th and then using some algorithm to average them out to go beyond what a single image on a DSLR could produce in terms of ISO.
I have been looking towards the m4/3 system and I admit that I am put off by the high price and that it's still pretty large. I am thinking that I might just bite the bullet and get a J1 and lens combo soon when they go for cheap on clearance sales, at least the lenses are good and they will hold their value until a better N camera comes out. OK Nikon, you won...
I cannot justify buying a V1 because of its shortcomings. I am waiting for a Z1 or something that has better controls and menu system. I want a small mirrorless camera that has "pro" level performance -- obviously not in terms of ISO performance due to the small sensor but everything else. The FT-1 adapter will not suit my needs for my existing DX lenses, its AF performance is unacceptable. Why can't this be fixed so that our lenses are indeed backwards compatible across the whole Nikon system?
Small cameras are not just toys for entry level photographers. They are desired by serious enthusiasts and pros who can't, or don't want to, lug around a big DSLR in many circumstances. Many of us are travel photographers and we want small, small, small! We want DSLR performance minus the mirror and large sensor, it's that simple.
Looks like a nice camera but I probably won't buy it. I have a D300 and D7000 and no need for FX. The D400 may interest me though, for wildlife. My D300 is so loud it scares away wildlife, that's gotta change. Plus video would be nice.
CNY_AP: They said it cost $2.5B, but don't forget, the program lasted multiple years, so that money was spread out over a period of time. It was a small amount each year for a country our size...and it is a much better way to "stimulate" our economy than to send out checks which get spent at Wal-Mart (ie China) and on drugs. NASA employs American workers who spend money here, the spaceship is not made overseas, and taxpayers get benefits from what has been developed and discovered over the many years of NASA.
And Maybe they'll find Obama's parents and birth certificate up there. Yea, and Romney's "stash" as someone mentioned earlier.
The US is toast, as is the whole world. They can't even put a man in space anymore. We're at Peak Oil now, and 95% of the energy we use comes from burning dead things, it's all downhill here on out until the Malthusian Collapse in a few decades. The US imports 1/2 of its oil. When the debt-based financial system implodes soon ad the US can no longer import oil then we'll finally realize how far we've stripped Mother Earth of her resources. About 4 billion people will die, give or take a few billion.