Dougbm_2: They are so afraid to 'contaminate' their DSLR range that they are unable to produce a decent mirrorless camera. With a quality EVF this would have outgunned both Panasonic and Sony in the high end bridge segment. As it is they land a product in no mans land again. Pity. I would have considered this as a good partner to my Canon 5D.
I fully agree!
Lan: I know I'm swimming against the tide here, but I can't understand why anyone would buy a camera because it's small, and then deliberately go and make it bigger?!?
Use two hands to hold the camera (any camera) and the grip problem is solved. You don't need to buy a grip, you need to get a grip ;)
I have the Franiec grip on my S95 and really love it. So I can use the camera with one hand and have no fear to drop it (for instance when riding a bicyle or climbing a rock). The lens still ist the biggest part on the front of the camera. I didn't have to buy a bigger camera bag.
The boarder on the right side is very soft, not exactly what I exspect from a Leica lens! Centering problems? But very nice colors and overall image quality.
Neodp: That looks like the right direction. Where the view finder for when the suns to bright?
It's not only the sun. When one gets a bit older and has to wear bifocal glasses you always have to bend your head backwards to see a camera screen sharp. A viewfinder is much more comfortable.
Rainer2022: Especially in Germany, Kokak is not renowned for it's cameras. It's just the maker of Kodachrome and other films...In Germany or Europe the price tag will be the only argument to buy this one. And people who are looking at the price tag, will get themselves no system camera. :-(
That is not true! I know Kodak cameras since the fifties when I was born! Remember Instamatic Cameras? Everyone had one.
mpgxsvcd: "I hate it" says no one.
Take note Canon. You put out the same camera over and over again with a different name and no one can tell the difference between it and the previous model.
Sony keeps telling us that it is just an updated version of the existing model and everyone can instantly tell how much it has actually improved even though the name hasn't.
Canon and Nikon have nothing that can directly compete with this camera. And no the G1 X MII doesn't compete with it. It's lens is not fast enough. It is too big. And it sensor size really isn't that much bigger.
...and the canon has no EVF! It's a pity :-(
If Canon had implemented a good built-in EVF, I really would buy this camera for hiking- /biking tours. Could drop the flash instead.Sorry, Canon, no viewfinder, no buy.
aramgrg: With such costs, why haven't they bought(or at least rented) D800E, I think the difference would have been visible!
you mean, 12000 Megapixel are not enough? (567x21MP)
Provia_fan: I can't understand the complaints about "retro" dials. I think the problem stems from the over simplification of designs over the years and the fact that people just want instant results, instant everything. In the old days you had to learn a given camera not expect the camera "to learn you". External controls are great and give you immediate control over features, instead of having to borrow into menus when you should be concentrating in picture taking. This is one of the reasons why I still love my Minolta 7D so much. Everything you need is one button or one click away, which is so much more logical. You learn the camera, you learn the buttons and you learn how many clicks for your exposure compensation, WB, etc and off you go. Not having to take you eye off the viewfinderto go into menus is a major bonus.
Indeed this new Fuji reminded me instantly of the Minolta 7D. I like this control layout!
Oahu Kamaaina: I have used one of Franiec's grips for my S95 for quite a while. It's excellent. Most people don't know it's not part of the original camera. It makes carrying my $400 camera more secure and comfortable. I don't regard it as a waste of money at all.Sometimes you can't judge the ergonomics of a camera until you've used it for a while, especially since everyone has a different opinion about what is comfortable /for them/. I am a little surprised at all of the mostly-negative comments from people who've never used one of his grips or this camera.
I totally agree. Have the same grip for my S95, and had one before for my G9. The camera feels more secure when using with one hand, and it's right: does feel and look as if part of the camera! I would surely buy a Franiec's grip for a Sony RX100 or any other camera that was too much designed by marketing-men.
Sergey Borachev: $1300 will make this RX10 a very hard sell, whatever it can do as it is still a 1-inch sensor fixed lens camera and a heavy one at that. The RX100 is much smaller and light. So, it is easy to forgive its limitations and most people think it is already very expensive. While you may argue that the Carl Zeiss lens is worth paying extra, unfortunately that justification is weak as the lens is stuck on this camera and not reusable when this camera becomes old and tired. I think it will be a very niche camera.
Yes, if the RX100 had the same electronic viewfinder, I would prefer it over the RX10!
Reminds me of the Rollei 35 "classic" - edition a short time before Rollei became bankrupt
Thomas Karlmann: Boo on the new studio scene! I really need to compare IQ of the GX7 with the Sony a99. Please fix!
I would prefer the old studio scene! Better relationship to real photography! I really don't like the new scene.
vapentaxuser: I think Nikon has a better understanding than Sony does when it comes to making cameras with a more well-rounded shooting experience. Yes, the RX100 beats the P series cameras in ultimate IQ hands-down. But with the P7800 you get an actual camera strap, a nice grip, 3 dials, a phyiscal dial for adjusting exposure compensation, a large battery, a versatile lens, an articulating LCD, and a decent EVF. And on top of that, it's no slouch in the image quality department either. And IMO, the IQ difference will only be realized if you are shooting at higher ISOs and blowing your pictures up to larger sizes. Most of the rest of it comes down to a person's skills as a photographer.
"you can add a EVF if you want".. yes, but then it's not a compact, pocket-size camera anymore. I really hoped Sony would bring a RX100 with EVF!
My favorite is the photo by Skarphéðinn Þráinsson (icelandic name!), but to be honest, most of the pictures look a bit too artficial for my taste.
achim k: I did hope, sony would release a version with built-in EVF, not much bigger than the original RX100 (for my purposes, I do not need a built-in flash). For photographers like me they now offer an aditional finder, that makes the camera much bulkier when attached. Sorry, not pocketable, I will again not buy the new model, although I'm very impressed by the image quality.
I'm sure, it would be possible to implement a high-end EVF like that of a NEX6 Camera! And look at the street price of a NEX6, the viewfinder cannot be that expensive!
I did hope, sony would release a version with built-in EVF, not much bigger than the original RX100 (for my purposes, I do not need a built-in flash). For photographers like me they now offer an aditional finder, that makes the camera much bulkier when attached. Sorry, not pocketable, I will again not buy the new model, although I'm very impressed by the image quality.
Flare test:putting a light source just a bit outside the frame may also mean, that reflections may be caused by a surface inside the camera body! I rate the EF 40/2,8 as one of the best flare-resistant lenses I ever had!
CameraCarl: Once again, lots of new cameras but only two with viewfinders. My wife (who is not as serious a photographer as me) won't even consider using a camera that does not have a viewfinder. And after struggling with the Panasonic LX3 and Canon S100 in daylight and bright sun, I will never buy another camera that doesn't have one. I can't figure why the manufacturers do not realize this. Why do they think photos ought to be taken at arm's length?
...and, one thing is never mentioned in this discussion: elder people need glasses to read a newspaper.... and also to see a clear screen on the back of a camera! EVFs have diopter adjustments!
I don't like dark viewfinders either, was very disappointed from Canon's dark small holes in the G series models. Fuji's X10 / X20 is a step forward. I long for a compact with EVF, Sony RX100 with NEX6 - EVF !!