agentul: finally, Panasonic expands into medium format... just that it's not "medium format" in terms of size, because it's a smaller sensor than the standard.
the company making the Leica logo stickers is surely happy.
"the unenviable position of having to pretend that the Panasonic P&S cameras have something to do with them." - or that they have nothing in common with the Panasonic cameras. nothing, you hear? it's a Leica V-Lux 3.
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Posted on May 10, 2013 at 14:30:38 UTC
why are these external EVFs so large? it looks like a smoke stack or one of those huge air intake ducts on old steam ships (except it points backwards here).
this just in: make it wirelessly communicate with Google Glass. that would actually be a redeeming quality for that horrible invention. actually, that could work with other cameras as well - for both film and photo.
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Posted on May 10, 2013 at 11:45:27 UTC
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agentul: finally, Panasonic expands into medium format... just that it's not "medium format" in terms of size, because it's a smaller sensor than the standard.
the company making the Leica logo stickers is surely happy.
i red the article waiting to see how they also did away with the mirror. they haven't yet.
also, no news on its video capabilities yet. maybe in the next model, probably by August.
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Posted on May 10, 2013 at 08:27:11 UTC
Wildbegonia: Very much like Ford saying: Well from now on and since we are not selling enough cars/making as much money as we want or plan, we will not sell cars but rather we will rent them for those who wish to drive a car. Let me tell you, there are great electric bicycles and cars coming from China!
and then Ford comes by your house at random times and changes random parts of your car.
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Posted on May 10, 2013 at 07:53:50 UTC
RichPate: Adobe has ended the traditional model of "we make a better product first, then you decide to buy it," with "pay us $20/month in advance, and we promise to keep making PS better." Besides being 50% more than the $199 / 18 months I had been paying, how can I now trust them to do that?
I'm amazed no one is asking that question. What is Adobe's motivation (i.e. profit incentive) to keep producing new features? Is the same corporate mind-set that dreamed up this CC scheme going to continue investing in R&D when they already have our yearly commitment in payments? It's likely that improved product features could soon fall into the same rut that product fixes have been in for years with Adobe -- rare.
"I'm amazed no one is asking that question."
it was asked a few times already. you can now return to your non-amazed state.
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Posted on May 10, 2013 at 07:42:27 UTC
dougster1979: This is very worrying. What if Apple, Dxo....do the same. The worlds economy is going down the pan, businesses can`t be sustained. Hence the introduction of compulsory subscriptions. This is a very bad president. It wouldn`t surprise me if Adobe is the first of many.
protip: cameras come with bundled raw converters.
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Posted on May 9, 2013 at 16:06:24 UTC
twadger: Has anyone read the terms and conditions of CC. Onerous isn't the word.
Examples: "Adobe may modify or discontinue, temporarily or permanently, the Services or Materials, or any portion thereof, with or without notice. You agree that Adobe shall not be liable to you or anyone else if we do so."
"You agree that any claim or dispute you may have against Adobe must be resolved by a court located in Santa Clara County, California, United States of America"
"You agree that Adobe may display advertisements adjacent to Your Content, and you agree that you are not entitled to any compensation."
"You agree to receive updates (and permit Adobe to deliver these to you with or without your knowledge) as part of your use of the Services."
"Adobe may require you to create a unique URL, such as your_name_here.adobe.com. Adobe may permit another User to use the unique URL previously selected by you."
Welcome to the future.....
TLDR version: You agree that you have no rights other than pay your subscription on time.
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Posted on May 9, 2013 at 15:55:38 UTC
Frank Daly: ...and what about the 20% regional price differences?
Adobe will be charging 20 dollars per month in the USA and 20 Euros + 4.60 VAT (sales tax) = 24.60 Euro = 30 dollars per month in Europe for Photoshop CC. In the past they said the extra cost in Europe for physical products was the cost of transportation. Well theres no difference when the products are delivered electronically, so why is there still a 20% (+ VAT) price difference for Photoshop CC in Europe??
@dccdp: thanks, i forgot to enable the subtitles for that post.
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Posted on May 9, 2013 at 15:27:57 UTC
Greg Lovern: When wonderful old works, who's current copyright holder can't be located and may not even know that they inherited the copyright, can't be published without risking multi-million dollar settlements, the culture is impoverished. That's how it is today now that the copyright law pendulum has swing far, far over to the side of protecting creators.
It's possible to provide reasonable protection to new creators without disappearing the works of wonderful old creators who's current copyright holder can't be found. But finding that balance requires that new creators be required to put some minimal effort into registering their works.
Works can be registered in aggregate, as in a large set of photographs or the entire contents of a magazine.
Paul Tansley seems to think so.
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Posted on May 9, 2013 at 15:17:22 UTC
CEfan: Its really simple: If people no longer want to purchase the products Adobe offers, there is a huge market opportunity for a competitor. One way or another this will sort itself out.
yes, but it's such fun to comment on this website... and all these "like" buttons... surely, this opportunity to state the same opinion in so many ways cannot be passed.
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Posted on May 9, 2013 at 14:49:42 UTC
Marcin 3M: And what will happened to digital assets (stored locally by users), when one day Adobe vanish (as a result of bankrupcy, earthquake, asteroid or whatever)? What if US gouvernment will restrict access to the service for some countries? Soft will stop working in a less than 1 month. What next?
unplug your internet cable. problem solved, until they bust into your house to screw up your computer by hand.
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Posted on May 9, 2013 at 14:28:12 UTC
dougster1979: This is very worrying. What if Apple, Dxo....do the same. The worlds economy is going down the pan, businesses can`t be sustained. Hence the introduction of compulsory subscriptions. This is a very bad president. It wouldn`t surprise me if Adobe is the first of many.
"Then when the worldwide economy takes a dive in about 5-10 years"
where have you been since 2008? i agree with the rest of what you said, but you make it sound like it's all rosy and ever-growing profits right now.
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Posted on May 9, 2013 at 14:25:04 UTC
agentul: finally, Panasonic expands into medium format... just that it's not "medium format" in terms of size, because it's a smaller sensor than the standard.
the company making the Leica logo stickers is surely happy.
"the unenviable position of having to pretend that the Panasonic P&S cameras have something to do with them." - or that they have nothing in common with the Panasonic cameras. nothing, you hear? it's a Leica V-Lux 3.
MrTritium: 420g with battery?! The Nex-6 and X-E1 weigh only 350g, and the nex-3n 269g. Is this camera made of LEAD?
"heavy is good, heavy is reliable. if it doesn't work you can always hit them with it".
rb59020: Whaaaaa.... No built in EVF!, Full Frame Sensor and 4k video! Aren't they listening!
the internet: serious business!
why are these external EVFs so large? it looks like a smoke stack or one of those huge air intake ducts on old steam ships (except it points backwards here).
this just in: make it wirelessly communicate with Google Glass. that would actually be a redeeming quality for that horrible invention. actually, that could work with other cameras as well - for both film and photo.
Plasmoic: same picture quality as with almost half priced E-Pl5?
think about how great that would be for street photography!
Richard Murdey: "photojournalists who use the Leica M"
Such a creature exists?
... slightly visually impaired and gullible...
agentul: finally, Panasonic expands into medium format... just that it's not "medium format" in terms of size, because it's a smaller sensor than the standard.
the company making the Leica logo stickers is surely happy.
i red the article waiting to see how they also did away with the mirror. they haven't yet.
also, no news on its video capabilities yet. maybe in the next model, probably by August.
vincent__l: Creative Cloud reminds me of Obamacare
behold the Obama Cloud!
Wildbegonia: Very much like Ford saying: Well from now on and since we are not selling enough cars/making as much money as we want or plan, we will not sell cars but rather we will rent them for those who wish to drive a car. Let me tell you, there are great electric bicycles and cars coming from China!
and then Ford comes by your house at random times and changes random parts of your car.
RichPate: Adobe has ended the traditional model of "we make a better product first, then you decide to buy it," with "pay us $20/month in advance, and we promise to keep making PS better." Besides being 50% more than the $199 / 18 months I had been paying, how can I now trust them to do that?
I'm amazed no one is asking that question. What is Adobe's motivation (i.e. profit incentive) to keep producing new features? Is the same corporate mind-set that dreamed up this CC scheme going to continue investing in R&D when they already have our yearly commitment in payments? It's likely that improved product features could soon fall into the same rut that product fixes have been in for years with Adobe -- rare.
"I'm amazed no one is asking that question."
it was asked a few times already. you can now return to your non-amazed state.
kgreggain: Fact: Pure truth is boring, or we wouldn't have American Idol
also: the sky is never blue or clear in war zones. there must always be black clouds, as we have seen in all of the war paintings.
finally, Panasonic expands into medium format... just that it's not "medium format" in terms of size, because it's a smaller sensor than the standard.
the company making the Leica logo stickers is surely happy.
Michael de Ruijter: This is an incomplete poll.
Where is the option "After I stop paying I end up with nothing, not even a useable legacy product."?
where's the Charlton Heston option?
"from my cold, dead hands!"
oh, wait, that's also the first option.
dougster1979: This is very worrying. What if Apple, Dxo....do the same. The worlds economy is going down the pan, businesses can`t be sustained. Hence the introduction of compulsory subscriptions. This is a very bad president. It wouldn`t surprise me if Adobe is the first of many.
protip: cameras come with bundled raw converters.
twadger: Has anyone read the terms and conditions of CC. Onerous isn't the word.
Examples:
"Adobe may modify or discontinue, temporarily or permanently, the Services or Materials, or any portion thereof, with or without notice. You agree that Adobe shall not be liable to you or anyone else if we do so."
"You agree that any claim or dispute you may have against Adobe must be resolved by a court located in Santa Clara County, California, United States of America"
"You agree that Adobe may display advertisements adjacent to Your Content, and you agree that you are not entitled to any compensation."
"You agree to receive updates (and permit Adobe to deliver these to you with or without your knowledge) as part of your use of the Services."
"Adobe may require you to create a unique URL, such as your_name_here.adobe.com. Adobe may permit another User to use the unique URL previously selected by you."
Welcome to the future.....
TLDR version: You agree that you have no rights other than pay your subscription on time.
Frank Daly: ...and what about the 20% regional price differences?
Adobe will be charging 20 dollars per month in the USA and 20 Euros + 4.60 VAT (sales tax) = 24.60 Euro = 30 dollars per month in Europe for Photoshop CC.
In the past they said the extra cost in Europe for physical products was the cost of transportation. Well theres no difference when the products are delivered electronically, so why is there still a 20% (+ VAT) price difference for Photoshop CC in Europe??
@dccdp: thanks, i forgot to enable the subtitles for that post.
Greg Lovern: When wonderful old works, who's current copyright holder can't be located and may not even know that they inherited the copyright, can't be published without risking multi-million dollar settlements, the culture is impoverished. That's how it is today now that the copyright law pendulum has swing far, far over to the side of protecting creators.
It's possible to provide reasonable protection to new creators without disappearing the works of wonderful old creators who's current copyright holder can't be found. But finding that balance requires that new creators be required to put some minimal effort into registering their works.
Works can be registered in aggregate, as in a large set of photographs or the entire contents of a magazine.
Paul Tansley seems to think so.
CEfan: Its really simple: If people no longer want to purchase the products Adobe offers, there is a huge market opportunity for a competitor. One way or another this will sort itself out.
yes, but it's such fun to comment on this website... and all these "like" buttons... surely, this opportunity to state the same opinion in so many ways cannot be passed.
Marcin 3M: And what will happened to digital assets (stored locally by users), when one day Adobe vanish (as a result of bankrupcy, earthquake, asteroid or whatever)?
What if US gouvernment will restrict access to the service for some countries?
Soft will stop working in a less than 1 month.
What next?
unplug your internet cable. problem solved, until they bust into your house to screw up your computer by hand.
dougster1979: This is very worrying. What if Apple, Dxo....do the same. The worlds economy is going down the pan, businesses can`t be sustained. Hence the introduction of compulsory subscriptions. This is a very bad president. It wouldn`t surprise me if Adobe is the first of many.
"Then when the worldwide economy takes a dive in about 5-10 years"
where have you been since 2008? i agree with the rest of what you said, but you make it sound like it's all rosy and ever-growing profits right now.